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spirates
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden148 Posts
July 22 2012 14:17 GMT
#1
Hi, this might already been answered, but I did a few searches but couldent find any good thread about it..

How many active sc2 ladder accounts are there? And how many of them are in Bronze, silver etc up to Masters?

Can I find this info somewhere?
LemonyTang
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom428 Posts
July 22 2012 14:20 GMT
#2
http://sc2ranks.com/ is your best bet afaik. I don't know how reliable it is but I don't know where else you might find this info.
Mvp #1
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 14:25:17
July 22 2012 14:24 GMT
#3
If I recall, percentage wise it works like this.

20% bronze
20% silver
20% gold
20% platinum
18% Diamond
2% Masters
(Then however GM works lol)

Note: I may be wrong, but this is just what I was told about it way back in the day.
FoTG fighting!
spirates
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden148 Posts
July 22 2012 14:30 GMT
#4
Well if checking out frontpage of sc2ranks, it says that there are over 1 000 000 EU accounts. But you have no idea how many of them that are inactive.

Checking out http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all gives updated stats about race distribution from this season, and it says that the stats are taken from 206,544 EU teams this season..

So if iam a Master guy, ranked 811 in EU, that makes me better then 99,996%? With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O.. Seems like alot :x
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
July 22 2012 14:35 GMT
#5
Oh man, there's sooooo many zerg according to that website. I think I'll swap to terran to help even out the race distribution
Simon and Garfunkel rock my face off
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 14:43:27
July 22 2012 14:37 GMT
#6
On July 22 2012 23:30 spirates wrote:
Well if checking out frontpage of sc2ranks, it says that there are over 1 000 000 EU accounts. But you have no idea how many of them that are inactive.

Checking out http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all gives updated stats about race distribution from this season, and it says that the stats are taken from 206,544 EU teams this season..

So if iam a Master guy, ranked 811 in EU, that makes me better then 99,996%? With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O.. Seems like alot :x


there are 85 pages in sc2 ranks of masters players, 100 players per page, 100x85=8500 masters players. same can be done with other leagues. diamond=15000 players, platinum=25800 players, gold=34500 players, silver=45500 players, bronze=76600 players

now just add up the numbers and add 200 players who are GM and you have rougly the amount of people playing on the EU server (189400). now its also easy to find out what percentage is in masters.. (8500/189400)x100=4,48%

there you go, 4.48% of all players are masters on the EU server.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 14:46:12
July 22 2012 14:39 GMT
#7
On July 22 2012 23:30 spirates wrote:
Well if checking out frontpage of sc2ranks, it says that there are over 1 000 000 EU accounts. But you have no idea how many of them that are inactive.

Checking out http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all gives updated stats about race distribution from this season, and it says that the stats are taken from 206,544 EU teams this season..

So if iam a Master guy, ranked 811 in EU, that makes me better then 99,996%? With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O.. Seems like alot :x

Being above someone in the ladder doesn't make you better than them, but if there's 206k players on the ladder and you're 811th, you're in the 0.4th percentile (of the ladder).

811/206544 = 0.003926 = 0.3926% (not 0.003926%) - so that's 99.6% not 99.996%.
Noobcakes <3 lrn 2 maths!
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 22 2012 14:40 GMT
#8
On July 22 2012 23:37 Kaitokid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:30 spirates wrote:
Well if checking out frontpage of sc2ranks, it says that there are over 1 000 000 EU accounts. But you have no idea how many of them that are inactive.

Checking out http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all gives updated stats about race distribution from this season, and it says that the stats are taken from 206,544 EU teams this season..

So if iam a Master guy, ranked 811 in EU, that makes me better then 99,996%? With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O.. Seems like alot :x


there are 85 pages in sc2 ranks of masters players, 100 players per page, 100x85=8500 masters players. same can be done with other leagues. diamond=15000 players, platinum=25800 players, gold=34500 players, silver=45500 players, bronze=76600 players

now just add up the numbers and add 200 players who are GM and you have rougly the amount of people playing on the EU server.


haha sorry I had to laugh so hard at this, your ways works fine, but did you check the link? you can just see the numbers right there with a pretty graphic and percentages
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Carlotto
Profile Joined July 2011
France49 Posts
July 22 2012 14:41 GMT
#9
SC2Ranks’ FAQ says that not every accounts are in their database.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 14:43:32
July 22 2012 14:41 GMT
#10
On July 22 2012 23:35 EAGER-beaver wrote:
Oh man, there's sooooo many zerg according to that website. I think I'll swap to terran to help even out the race distribution


Prepare yourself.

And LOL at race distribution in Grandmaster and Master league in EU server!
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 14:43:34
July 22 2012 14:42 GMT
#11
sounds like your math is a bit off lol
First, i dont really understand what your saying here:
On July 22 2012 23:30 spirates wrote:
With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O

But anyways,
How can you be better than 999994 if there are only 206,544 active accounts?
EVEN if you take all 1 000 000 into account then as rank 811 you would be better than 999289 of them.
Infact what i think is true that at rank 811 your better than 205733, which makes you better than 99,6%.

But i wouldnt totally trust those numbers by sc2ranks. Just look at that graph saying 59.66% of GMs are randoms and then right below it says there is not a single one.
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Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 14:47:09
July 22 2012 14:45 GMT
#12
On July 22 2012 23:40 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:37 Kaitokid wrote:
On July 22 2012 23:30 spirates wrote:
Well if checking out frontpage of sc2ranks, it says that there are over 1 000 000 EU accounts. But you have no idea how many of them that are inactive.

Checking out http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all gives updated stats about race distribution from this season, and it says that the stats are taken from 206,544 EU teams this season..

So if iam a Master guy, ranked 811 in EU, that makes me better then 99,996%? With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O.. Seems like alot :x


there are 85 pages in sc2 ranks of masters players, 100 players per page, 100x85=8500 masters players. same can be done with other leagues. diamond=15000 players, platinum=25800 players, gold=34500 players, silver=45500 players, bronze=76600 players

now just add up the numbers and add 200 players who are GM and you have rougly the amount of people playing on the EU server.


haha sorry I had to laugh so hard at this, your ways works fine, but did you check the link? you can just see the numbers right there with a pretty graphic and percentages


I prefer to check everything by myself I trust myself more
RiSkysc2
Profile Joined September 2011
696 Posts
July 22 2012 14:47 GMT
#13
im rank 4409, does that mean i'm in the top 2.2%??
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
July 22 2012 14:48 GMT
#14
On July 22 2012 23:47 Lineridarz wrote:
im rank 4409, does that mean i'm in the top 2.2%??


rank 4409 where? xD in EU masters overall you mean? You can also do the math yourself very easily if you know your league+points...
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 22 2012 14:48 GMT
#15
On July 22 2012 23:47 Lineridarz wrote:
im rank 4409, does that mean i'm in the top 2.2%??

Assuming that the website logs everything properly (which it very well may not), then yes. Basically.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
RiSkysc2
Profile Joined September 2011
696 Posts
July 22 2012 14:50 GMT
#16
On July 22 2012 23:48 Kaitokid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:47 Lineridarz wrote:
im rank 4409, does that mean i'm in the top 2.2%??


rank 4409 where? xD in EU masters overall you mean? You can also do the math yourself very easily if you know your league+points...

EU Masters 437 points.... can somebody work this out for me, im not so good with math :D
spirates
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden148 Posts
July 22 2012 14:50 GMT
#17
On July 22 2012 23:39 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:30 spirates wrote:
Well if checking out frontpage of sc2ranks, it says that there are over 1 000 000 EU accounts. But you have no idea how many of them that are inactive.

Checking out http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all gives updated stats about race distribution from this season, and it says that the stats are taken from 206,544 EU teams this season..

So if iam a Master guy, ranked 811 in EU, that makes me better then 99,996%? With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O.. Seems like alot :x

Being above someone in the ladder doesn't make you better than them, but if there's 206k players on the ladder and you're 811th, you're in the 0.4th percentile (of the ladder).

811/206544 = 0.003926 = 0.3926% (not 0.003926%) - so that's 99.6% not 99.996%.
Noobcakes <3 lrn 2 maths!


facepalming myself right now.. Ofc its 99.6% and not what I wrote, GG forgot grade 7 math -_-!
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
July 22 2012 14:50 GMT
#18
On July 22 2012 23:45 Kaitokid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:40 Musicus wrote:
On July 22 2012 23:37 Kaitokid wrote:
On July 22 2012 23:30 spirates wrote:
Well if checking out frontpage of sc2ranks, it says that there are over 1 000 000 EU accounts. But you have no idea how many of them that are inactive.

Checking out http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all gives updated stats about race distribution from this season, and it says that the stats are taken from 206,544 EU teams this season..

So if iam a Master guy, ranked 811 in EU, that makes me better then 99,996%? With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O.. Seems like alot :x


there are 85 pages in sc2 ranks of masters players, 100 players per page, 100x85=8500 masters players. same can be done with other leagues. diamond=15000 players, platinum=25800 players, gold=34500 players, silver=45500 players, bronze=76600 players

now just add up the numbers and add 200 players who are GM and you have rougly the amount of people playing on the EU server.


haha sorry I had to laugh so hard at this, your ways works fine, but did you check the link? you can just see the numbers right there with a pretty graphic and percentages


I prefer to check everything by myself I trust myself more


Well you know what they say... "Never trust statistics you didn't forge yourself!".

Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
July 22 2012 14:51 GMT
#19
On July 22 2012 23:47 Lineridarz wrote:
im rank 4409, does that mean i'm in the top 2.2%??

rank 4409 bronze in australia? That makes you pro i guess.

@OP
Don't get fooled by the points.
I was ranked 1 in my master division but still had mid masters MMR.
Cj hero | Zest
RiSkysc2
Profile Joined September 2011
696 Posts
July 22 2012 14:52 GMT
#20
On July 22 2012 23:51 OrbitalPlane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:47 Lineridarz wrote:
im rank 4409, does that mean i'm in the top 2.2%??

rank 4409 bronze in australia? That makes you pro i guess.

@OP
Don't get fooled by the points.
I was ranked 1 in my master division but still had mid masters MMR.

o.o, why so mad?
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 15:01:25
July 22 2012 14:54 GMT
#21
points != where you are in ladder.
Sc2ranks sadly show % depending on points but this number is misleading.
The% show where you are in points and have nothing to do with how good you are.,
Many people still think points show the skill but thats not the case!

the 40 20 20 ... 2% rule is the plan not the reality!

The player disrepute don't follow accurate the gauss glock anymore.
Blizzards changed offsets in the past to get back to the 20 20 population but because they stopped doing it, i think they gave up on this rule totally.
Save gaming: kill esport
habeck
Profile Joined February 2011
1120 Posts
July 22 2012 14:55 GMT
#22
On July 22 2012 23:51 OrbitalPlane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:47 Lineridarz wrote:
im rank 4409, does that mean i'm in the top 2.2%??

rank 4409 bronze in australia? That makes you pro i guess.

@OP
Don't get fooled by the points.
I was ranked 1 in my master division but still had mid masters MMR.


Yep, nice points...

I noticed that in some divisions you need like 400 more points to be in top 8 compared with others.
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 14:56:09
July 22 2012 14:55 GMT
#23
On July 22 2012 23:50 Lineridarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:48 Kaitokid wrote:
On July 22 2012 23:47 Lineridarz wrote:
im rank 4409, does that mean i'm in the top 2.2%??


rank 4409 where? xD in EU masters overall you mean? You can also do the math yourself very easily if you know your league+points...

EU Masters 437 points.... can somebody work this out for me, im not so good with math :D


you're on page 41 on SC2 ranks, this means you are roughly rank 4100 in EU... 189400 players overall on the EU server
(4100/189400)x100=2,16

you're in the top 2,16% on the EU server. this is not 100% accurate, because I used rounded values.
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
July 22 2012 14:56 GMT
#24
On July 22 2012 23:52 Lineridarz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:51 OrbitalPlane wrote:
On July 22 2012 23:47 Lineridarz wrote:
im rank 4409, does that mean i'm in the top 2.2%??

rank 4409 bronze in australia? That makes you pro i guess.

@OP
Don't get fooled by the points.
I was ranked 1 in my master division but still had mid masters MMR.

o.o, why so mad?


i am not mad. should i be? i only made fun of your post which was not very high quality imho.

You can easily check the percentages at your profil. just go to 1vs1 click "more details" and read it.
you dont even have to calculate it yourself. (but keep in mind that GM is not included in those stats)
Cj hero | Zest
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 22 2012 14:57 GMT
#25
On July 22 2012 23:50 spirates wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:39 Djzapz wrote:
On July 22 2012 23:30 spirates wrote:
Well if checking out frontpage of sc2ranks, it says that there are over 1 000 000 EU accounts. But you have no idea how many of them that are inactive.

Checking out http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all gives updated stats about race distribution from this season, and it says that the stats are taken from 206,544 EU teams this season..

So if iam a Master guy, ranked 811 in EU, that makes me better then 99,996%? With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O.. Seems like alot :x

Being above someone in the ladder doesn't make you better than them, but if there's 206k players on the ladder and you're 811th, you're in the 0.4th percentile (of the ladder).

811/206544 = 0.003926 = 0.3926% (not 0.003926%) - so that's 99.6% not 99.996%.
Noobcakes <3 lrn 2 maths!


facepalming myself right now.. Ofc its 99.6% and not what I wrote, GG forgot grade 7 math -_-!

Happens to the best of us ^^
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
July 22 2012 14:58 GMT
#26
On July 22 2012 23:41 Carlotto wrote:
SC2Ranks’ FAQ says that not every accounts are in their database.


This, 4 billion times this. I hate how people use that website for stats like this, when it obviously doesn't include all accounts. I had to manually add every single smurf I ever used to that site.

Blizzard stated a long time ago that the top 2% of each region are masters, and there is your percentage.
With sc2ranks you can only get the number of masters acc registered to that side and what percentage that is.
RiSkysc2
Profile Joined September 2011
696 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 15:03:25
July 22 2012 15:00 GMT
#27
On July 22 2012 23:56 OrbitalPlane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:52 Lineridarz wrote:
On July 22 2012 23:51 OrbitalPlane wrote:
On July 22 2012 23:47 Lineridarz wrote:
im rank 4409, does that mean i'm in the top 2.2%??

rank 4409 bronze in australia? That makes you pro i guess.

@OP
Don't get fooled by the points.
I was ranked 1 in my master division but still had mid masters MMR.

o.o, why so mad?


i am not mad. should i be? i only made fun of your post which was not very high quality imho.

You can easily check the percentages at your profil. just go to 1vs1 click "more details" and read it.
you dont even have to calculate it yourself. (but keep in mind that GM is not included in those stats)

This is a post on a forum in a thread, not a article about the meaning of life.
spirates
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden148 Posts
July 22 2012 15:01 GMT
#28
On July 22 2012 23:58 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:41 Carlotto wrote:
SC2Ranks’ FAQ says that not every accounts are in their database.


This, 4 billion times this. I hate how people use that website for stats like this, when it obviously doesn't include all accounts. I had to manually add every single smurf I ever used to that site.

Blizzard stated a long time ago that the top 2% of each region are masters, and there is your percentage.
With sc2ranks you can only get the number of masters acc registered to that side and what percentage that is.


If it's true that 2% is Masters and all Master accounts show, its easy to calculate how many other accounts there are ( unless my math fails yet again).

2% Master in EU = 8500 accounts
1% = 4250
100% = 425 000 Accounts
skeldark
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2223 Posts
July 22 2012 15:03 GMT
#29
@ OP
read :
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332391
www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334561

99% of the post in this thread give wrong information!
Save gaming: kill esport
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
July 22 2012 15:05 GMT
#30
On July 22 2012 23:58 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:41 Carlotto wrote:
SC2Ranks’ FAQ says that not every accounts are in their database.


This, 4 billion times this. I hate how people use that website for stats like this, when it obviously doesn't include all accounts. I had to manually add every single smurf I ever used to that site.

Blizzard stated a long time ago that the top 2% of each region are masters, and there is your percentage.
With sc2ranks you can only get the number of masters acc registered to that side and what percentage that is.


I would guess that sc2ranks gets all the active accounts. It takes some times for new accounts. i think all known divisions get scanned so you have to at least have one registered player in your division.
The 2% was at the beginnig but blizzard abandoned that a long time ago.
Cj hero | Zest
Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
July 22 2012 15:11 GMT
#31
On July 22 2012 23:30 spirates wrote:
Well if checking out frontpage of sc2ranks, it says that there are over 1 000 000 EU accounts. But you have no idea how many of them that are inactive.

Checking out http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all gives updated stats about race distribution from this season, and it says that the stats are taken from 206,544 EU teams this season..

So if iam a Master guy, ranked 811 in EU, that makes me better then 99,996%? With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O.. Seems like alot :x


Yes, you're better than 9yo kid who got this game for christmass and is giving names to each of his units.
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DLJ
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany44 Posts
July 22 2012 15:15 GMT
#32
So few Terrans above Silver. Grandmaster EU 43% Toss, 38% Zerg, 19% Terran o_0
StoRm_res
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland891 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 15:26:04
July 22 2012 15:24 GMT
#33
Only 206'000 players left in 1v1?
We seriously need HotS if we don't want to see sc2 die Oo

edit: in EU, 530k worldwide. Still very bad for the "biggest" esport title atm.
StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 15:38:07
July 22 2012 15:36 GMT
#34
On July 23 2012 00:24 StoRm_res wrote:
Only 206'000 players left in 1v1?
We seriously need HotS if we don't want to see sc2 die Oo

edit: in EU, 530k worldwide. Still very bad for the "biggest" esport title atm.


this post is so wrong in so many ways.
you are reducing sc2 on only 1on1. You are saying sc2 is the biggest esport based on what?
players, viewers, money? which is wrong no matter what you choose.
Cj hero | Zest
SpiZe
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada3640 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-22 15:43:08
July 22 2012 15:37 GMT
#35
On July 23 2012 00:11 Asmodeusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 23:30 spirates wrote:
Well if checking out frontpage of sc2ranks, it says that there are over 1 000 000 EU accounts. But you have no idea how many of them that are inactive.

Checking out http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all gives updated stats about race distribution from this season, and it says that the stats are taken from 206,544 EU teams this season..

So if iam a Master guy, ranked 811 in EU, that makes me better then 99,996%? With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O.. Seems like alot :x


Yes, you're better than 9yo kid who got this game for christmass and is giving names to each of his units.

You better keep Johnny The Marine alive, he's an old friend of mine
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
July 22 2012 15:48 GMT
#36
On July 23 2012 00:37 SpiZe wrote:
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On July 23 2012 00:11 Asmodeusx wrote:
On July 22 2012 23:30 spirates wrote:
Well if checking out frontpage of sc2ranks, it says that there are over 1 000 000 EU accounts. But you have no idea how many of them that are inactive.

Checking out http://www.sc2ranks.com/stats/league/eu/1/all gives updated stats about race distribution from this season, and it says that the stats are taken from 206,544 EU teams this season..

So if iam a Master guy, ranked 811 in EU, that makes me better then 99,996%? With those stats,100 000 random sc2 players from bronze to masters, I would be better then 999 994 of them o.O.. Seems like alot :x


Yes, you're better than 9yo kid who got this game for christmass and is giving names to each of his units.

You better keep Johnny The Marine alive, he's an old friend of mine


This, 4 billion times this. I hate how people use that game for stats like this, when obviously you need to be naming all of your units. I had to manually add every single name you to every unit you ever made but did not name.
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Anta
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany434 Posts
July 22 2012 15:57 GMT
#37
made a simple chart... maybe OP can add it in his op
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United States22154 Posts
July 22 2012 16:00 GMT
#38
Simple questions thread
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