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On June 06 2012 22:43 RinconH wrote:
btw has it just been "accepted" that the only reason Koreans are better is because they train longer/harder?
Isn't it very possible that they have some kind of racial affinity (quick handspeed, multi-tasking thinking etc,.) such as African Americans have for a quick twitch muscle sport like basketball or East Africans for marathon running?
I think Korean culture is very good at producing people who can dedicate themselves to one task religiously as well.
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Can we move this to blogs so that I can rate this with 1star. OP is clearly just venting his own frustration/whining without any real thoughts. On top of that, the title is very poorly chosen.
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yeah i only watch the game i don't care about skin color.
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On June 06 2012 22:23 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 21:29 mTwTT1 wrote:On June 06 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right? foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans  shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree LOL yes the EG house, top notch practice on the na ladder and tl + fnatic dont have nearly as many practice partners as the other korean teams do Fuck TT1, what the hell you want? You want to play on NA with who? DRG, MKP, MC, MVP, Losira and so on? Would you want them to speak english with you too? If you are practicing with NA pros, and you find NA ladder to be weak, why not practice among yourselves? If you have a team house, you will have the players, the discussion and the enviroinment. I don't see how this is any different from korean team houses.
this topic is so depressing that i no longer have the energy to explain myself anymore, i give up. u guys are right if i want to be as good as a korean player all i have to do is have the same amount of dedication and work ethic as they do. every foreign player that wants to be good at this game is going to have to move to korea and practice on the korean ladder if they want to be the best, lets keep this trend going for another 20 years and ignore the reason why we have to travel to korea in order to get adequate practice
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On June 06 2012 22:22 Nihilnovi wrote:
Surprised this level of racism is allowed on TL, I will never understand people that somehow define other human beings based on their geographical birthplace, it's really disgusting.
"Stop the best players from competing in MLG!" makes no sense at all. I would understand such opinions about national leagues, say in sweden there is a rule about having X amount of foreign players in your football team since it's a national league. MLG is no such thing, it's completely open to any citizen of any country.
If you want MLG to be a national league then make a topic about that, don't discriminate a whole country because most of the worlds best players are from it.
Yes, you are right. Champions league should also kick out all teams from countries that are not UK, Germany, Spain, Italy and France. Then only the best football teams can play...
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On June 06 2012 22:43 RinconH wrote:
btw has it just been "accepted" that the only reason Koreans are better is because they train longer/harder?
Isn't it very possible that they have some kind of racial affinity (quick handspeed, multi-tasking thinking etc,.) such as African Americans have for a quick twitch muscle sport like basketball or East Africans for marathon running?
I've seen no statements on it, and I'd find it rather odd if it was the case. Born with faster hands or good multitasking? I'd love to see if there were papers on it, I just doubt there are.
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On June 06 2012 22:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 22:38 Snoodles wrote:
This thread is very sad. If you can't beat them, ban them right?
No ban them because they're stream cheating and probably hacking too. /sarcasm
That, and we need to set an international ban on practicing more than 4 hours a day. We westerners believe in human rights and minimum wage and all that shit, and koreans have an unfair advantage by practicing 12 hours a day. You guys are watching SWEAT SHOP e-sports, shame on you. I will only watch MADE IN AMERICA, local, no-added hormones, organic, grass-fed, fair-trade, equal opportunity, affirmative action Esports.
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On June 06 2012 22:40 ceaRshaf wrote:
I want to see a member of my family play.
I want to see a member of my neighborhood play.
I want to see a member of my town play.
I want to see a member of my country play.
I want to see a member of my continent play.
I want to see a member of my planet play.
I want to see a member of my Arm play.
I want to see a member of my Galaxy play.
I want to see a member of my Universe play.
In that order.
That is not racism or anything, it's how human beings have evolved, wanting to defend their close ones before anything else (other tribe or smth).
Learn the difference between descriptive and normative. Everyone understands WHY foreigners prefer watching foreigners if all circumstances are equal. That doesn't make it rational. And racism IS somewhat a product of evolution, for the same tribal reasons you describe. Sometimes our nature is ugly and shouldn't be used to justify prejudices that our reason can counteract.
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On June 06 2012 22:45 mTwTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 22:23 antilyon wrote:On June 06 2012 21:29 mTwTT1 wrote:On June 06 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right? foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree LOL yes the EG house, top notch practice on the na ladder and tl + fnatic dont have nearly as many practice partners as the other korean teams do Fuck TT1, what the hell you want? You want to play on NA with who? DRG, MKP, MC, MVP, Losira and so on? Would you want them to speak english with you too? If you are practicing with NA pros, and you find NA ladder to be weak, why not practice among yourselves? If you have a team house, you will have the players, the discussion and the enviroinment. I don't see how this is any different from korean team houses. this topic is so depressing that i no longer have the energy to explain myself anymore, i give up. u guys are right if i want to be as good as a korean player all i have to do is have the same amount of dedication and work ethic as they do. every foreign player that wants to be good at this game is going to have to move to korea and practice on the korean ladder if they want to be the best, lets keep this trend going for another 20 years and ignore the reason why we have to travel to korea in order to get adequate practice
Tiger Woods faced the same problems, but he didn't whine about it and he's the greatest golfer of all time.
Eto'o, Drogba, Weah didn't spend their youths whining about shitty African training facilities. They became some of the best fucking forwards to ever play football.
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On June 06 2012 22:44 mx.raaawwwr wrote:
So instead of foreigners playing better, we should not have Koreans in our tournaments? Then what is the point of a tournament if it is not to see who is better. You just totally undermine the whole concept of a tournament. Who the hell will care if you win a MLG when the real competition is in Korea?
-Random player nr 1 wins MLG-
Random fan goes "WOOOO"!
/facepalm racist community.
Nah the community isnt racist.
Racists are low level human beings who like to whine and blame others for the faults of themselve.
And they like to shout and scream for help.
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On June 06 2012 22:43 RinconH wrote:
btw has it just been "accepted" that the only reason Koreans are better is because they train longer/harder?
Isn't it very possible that they have some kind of racial affinity (quick handspeed, multi-tasking thinking etc,.) such as African Americans have for a quick twitch muscle sport like basketball or East Africans for marathon running?
Because such a claim is pure conjecture until it is confirmed through empirical studies. Until then, the simpler explanation is the more likely and more logical. Also, hand-speed, multi-tasking, and decision-making are DIRECTLY improved by spending more time on it.
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On June 06 2012 22:44 mx.raaawwwr wrote:
So instead of foreigners playing better, we should not have Koreans in our tournaments? Then what is the point of a tournament if it is not to see who is better. You just totally undermine the whole concept of a tournament. Who the hell will care if you win a MLG when the real competition is in Korea?
-Random player nr 1 wins MLG-
Random fan goes "WOOOO"!
/facepalm racist community.
Finding the best in a subset can be exciting too. Do you not understand that?
For example there's an Asian Cup for Soccer. Apparently this is pointless, because it doesn't have the best teams in the world competing. You should go tell all the players of the championship teams over the years their win meant nothing.
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How in the world is this not racist? In more instances than not people are talking about 'foreigners' as white. Not their own country, but white. It's just plain ridiculous.
The bigger tournaments are more likely than not never going to have skin color quotas. You guys really need to get over it. They're going to invite the best and the best are going to make it through open play (foreigners have plenty of chances to get in). That's only good for SC2 and viewership. Who wants to watch someone barely better than themselves?
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On June 06 2012 22:45 mTwTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 22:23 antilyon wrote:On June 06 2012 21:29 mTwTT1 wrote:On June 06 2012 21:19 Hassybaby wrote:On June 06 2012 21:17 Naniwa wrote:On June 06 2012 21:16 Hassybaby wrote:
Damn people who practice the game more winning!
Right? foreigners dont have same conditions as the koreans shut your mouth if you just jump on the bandwagon response The EG, fnatic and TL houses would like to disagree LOL yes the EG house, top notch practice on the na ladder and tl + fnatic dont have nearly as many practice partners as the other korean teams do Fuck TT1, what the hell you want? You want to play on NA with who? DRG, MKP, MC, MVP, Losira and so on? Would you want them to speak english with you too? If you are practicing with NA pros, and you find NA ladder to be weak, why not practice among yourselves? If you have a team house, you will have the players, the discussion and the enviroinment. I don't see how this is any different from korean team houses. this topic is so depressing that i no longer have the energy to explain myself anymore, i give up. u guys are right if i want to be as good as a korean player all i have to do is have the same amount of dedication and work ethic as they do. every foreign player that wants to be good at this game is going to have to move to korea and practice on the korean ladder if they want to be the best, lets keep this trend going for another 20 years and ignore the reason why we have to travel to korea in order to get adequate practice
Wait, I thought all we were talking about was the reason why foreigners weren't as skilled as korean progamers. And that reason obviously and undeniably is that the Koreans have better training regimes with better coaches, practice partners and stricter rules etc.
Now if you want to talk about WHY that's the case that'd be something entirely different. Probably something related to the difference in cultures, how video games is not considered a sport and is more often considererd to be something you'd do in your basement, alone, as well as how few investors dare spit too much money into e-sports due oto it not being a huge industry yet, and that it doesn't have extremely obvious potential.
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The better player wins.
Nothing wrong with that. I don't see it as Korean or Foreigner. I see it as SC2 player. I do not care where they came from. If they provider entertaining games and win, I might watch them more. Or even cheer.
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The "Highest level of play" argument is just hilarious.
Casual viewers don't/barley play the game - how can you expect them to tell the difference?
If the caster words are the only thing to go by then the highest level can be found all the way from low masters to code S.
Unless you think that SC2 has too many casual viewers and should relay on the hardcore fan-base only don't talk about level of play - for many people it means nothing..
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On June 06 2012 22:48 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 22:44 mx.raaawwwr wrote:
So instead of foreigners playing better, we should not have Koreans in our tournaments? Then what is the point of a tournament if it is not to see who is better. You just totally undermine the whole concept of a tournament. Who the hell will care if you win a MLG when the real competition is in Korea?
-Random player nr 1 wins MLG-
Random fan goes "WOOOO"!
/facepalm racist community. Finding the best in a subset can be exciting too. Do you not understand that? For example there's an Asian Cup for Soccer. Apparently this is pointless, because it doesn't have the best teams in the world competing. You should go tell all the players of the championship teams over the years their win meant nothing.
Well in a way it does and top level players or fans who actually understand the game will most likely watch european or SA matches.
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On June 06 2012 22:48 BoxingKangaroo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 22:44 mx.raaawwwr wrote:
So instead of foreigners playing better, we should not have Koreans in our tournaments? Then what is the point of a tournament if it is not to see who is better. You just totally undermine the whole concept of a tournament. Who the hell will care if you win a MLG when the real competition is in Korea?
-Random player nr 1 wins MLG-
Random fan goes "WOOOO"!
/facepalm racist community. Finding the best in a subset can be exciting too. Do you not understand that? For example there's an Asian Cup for Soccer. Apparently this is pointless, because it doesn't have the best teams in the world competing. You should go tell all the players of the championship teams over the years their win meant nothing.
There's Norwegian football too, but I don't watch it because it's boring as hell. The skill level is just too low for me to ever be interested. Just like I never watch Playhem streams, just like I have only watched a few of the qualifiers for the WCS, just like I only watched parts of the Code A Qualifiers.
I don't find it interesting, finding the best of a lesser group of people. I watched 4PL Team league for Khaldor's casting and not for the gameplay, which was boring, to say the least. Examples.
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On June 06 2012 22:49 pmp10 wrote:
The "Highest level of play" argument is just hilarious.
Casual viewers don't/barley play the game - how can you expect them to tell the difference?
If the caster words are the only thing to go by then the highest level can be found all the way from low masters to code S.
Unless you think that SC2 has too many casual viewers and should relay on the hardcore fan-base only don't talk about level of play - for many people it means nothing..
Anyone can tell the difference between MKP's splits and Kas's splits.
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