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Snoodles
Profile Joined March 2012
401 Posts
June 06 2012 13:38 GMT
#281
This thread is very sad. If you can't beat them, ban them right?
bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
June 06 2012 13:39 GMT
#282
On June 06 2012 22:31 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Okay so we've established that we need the following seeded into MLG pool play for ethnic/gender/sexual diversity purposes.

30% white guys.
20% black guys
10% homosexuals
10% women

This will show Kespa that foreign Esports means business!

(by the way if anyone has any other minority groups desperately in need of some affirmative action just PM me and I will pass the message on to Sundance.)


Where is the age diversity? According to the age distribution, we need

10%, >80
20%, 60-80
20%, 40-60
30%, 25-40,
20%, 10-25
10%, 0-10

Many grandma & grandpa will sue Sundance if MLG do not limit the number of Koreans!
We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 06 2012 13:39 GMT
#283
On June 06 2012 22:35 Maxquatre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 22:34 shadymmj wrote:
On June 06 2012 22:26 Maxquatre wrote:
On June 06 2012 22:23 shadymmj wrote:
the problem is that if u do that, it will be a big blow for the scene in korea. why have a 100 gosu players when only the 3 most gosu can show up at international tournaments? and the other 97 live off rice and canned tuna?


So we should be more concerned about korean scene than international scene?

Btw, was it that long ago when tourney outside of korea were without koreans and people were still very interested in them ?


well that only means you dont know much about history

without a big korean scene everything will collapse. in fact if we go back to 2001, if the BW explosion did not happen, sc2 will be a pretty good single player/MMO game today.


So without a big korean scene, SC2 will collapse.
Without a foreigner scene, SC2 will keep being how it is.

We're pretty much set to what's happening in the near future, we'll see what will come out of it.


unfortunately that's the inconvenient truth, *shrug*

lots of koreans gave up their studies and future careers to play sc2 full time. as much as I would like to see a "world cup" of starcraft, and believe me I love the world cup, it would be very unfair to slam the door in their faces. if you do that, they're fucked!
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 06 2012 13:39 GMT
#284
On June 06 2012 22:38 Snoodles wrote:
This thread is very sad. If you can't beat them, ban them right?


No ban them because they're stream cheating and probably hacking too. /sarcasm
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
meadbert
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States681 Posts
June 06 2012 13:40 GMT
#285
On June 06 2012 22:35 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 22:32 meadbert wrote:
There is a huge disconnect between Europeans and Americans regarding this issue. In Europe it is common to have rules regarding the number of foreigners allowed per league and per team, but the idea itself is totally foreign in America.

We do not limit the number of Latin Americans that play Major League Baseball.

We do not limit the number of Europeans that play Basketball.

We do not limit the number of Europeans or Canadians that play on American ice hockey teams.

American believe in letting the best play regardless of where they are from.

ESL and European leagues can be the leagues that keep out some of the best players for representing the wrong country, but in America lets keep letting the best compete against the best.


No European leagues ban foreigners from any of our sport.

I think Russian caps the number of foreign players but this is a country where fans throw banana's at black players so what do you expect from those clowns?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_football_players_in_Germany

http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item462279/Neville-rubbishes-new-EPL-quota-rules/
WallieP
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands425 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 13:42:18
June 06 2012 13:40 GMT
#286
There should be some limit, to take it to a "real" spot like football/soccer and the champions league. Right now there are like max 5 english teams, max 5 german teams, max 5 spain teams while if the spot was completly honest there would be a lot more teams from those countrys in the CL... but since that is like no fun to watch at all, and small countrys/club should also be albe to compete its such a great tourney.. still the big/rich teams win, but that doesnt matter, at least the small teams could attend.

same should be done in sc2 imo... Jes, koreans can come but only like 10% of the spots available.. got nothing to do with them being korean as a person, but just having the bad luck that the competion in korea is so high.
i came i saw i conquered
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
June 06 2012 13:40 GMT
#287
I'd like to see some sort of restrictions on the number of Koreans attending events. Whether that's done by limiting qualifiers etc I don't know. It's difficult with MLG's seeding system however because people who do well get huge advantages in the next tourney and then a new batch of Korean pro's will come through qualifiers, so as it stands it's always going to be dominated by the best players, which happens to be 95% Koreans.

Just because I'm more interested in watching foreigners play at foreign tournaments. I'd rather have some diversity amongst the major SC2 tournies.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
June 06 2012 13:40 GMT
#288
I want to see a member of my family play.
I want to see a member of my neighborhood play.
I want to see a member of my town play.
I want to see a member of my country play.
I want to see a member of my continent play.
I want to see a member of my planet play.
I want to see a member of my Arm play.
I want to see a member of my Galaxy play.
I want to see a member of my Universe play.

In that order.

That is not racism or anything, it's how human beings have evolved, wanting to defend their close ones before anything else (other tribe or smth).
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
June 06 2012 13:41 GMT
#289
On June 06 2012 21:17 speknek wrote:
Speak for yourself. I don't watch tournaments without koreans, because I wanna see the highest level of play. No need for discrimination btw, OP.

This.

What you're proposing is not that offensive, but the way you're wording yourself makes it somewhat offensive, like the noodle remarks. What the hell?

I like watching GOOD games, and for that I need the top level of play. If foreigners want to be on par with Koreans, practice harder, move to Korea and practice more. Sure, easier said than done, we don't have the practice rregimes they have in Korea as there really isn't THAT much money invested in SC2 as an e-sport in any other country than Korea, but there's no other way to go about it.

If tournaments want me as a viewer, they'll have to allow anyone to join, and base it off skill rather than nationality.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
June 06 2012 13:42 GMT
#290
On June 06 2012 22:39 shadymmj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 22:35 Maxquatre wrote:
On June 06 2012 22:34 shadymmj wrote:
On June 06 2012 22:26 Maxquatre wrote:
On June 06 2012 22:23 shadymmj wrote:
the problem is that if u do that, it will be a big blow for the scene in korea. why have a 100 gosu players when only the 3 most gosu can show up at international tournaments? and the other 97 live off rice and canned tuna?


So we should be more concerned about korean scene than international scene?

Btw, was it that long ago when tourney outside of korea were without koreans and people were still very interested in them ?


well that only means you dont know much about history

without a big korean scene everything will collapse. in fact if we go back to 2001, if the BW explosion did not happen, sc2 will be a pretty good single player/MMO game today.


So without a big korean scene, SC2 will collapse.
Without a foreigner scene, SC2 will keep being how it is.

We're pretty much set to what's happening in the near future, we'll see what will come out of it.


unfortunately that's the inconvenient truth, *shrug*

lots of koreans gave up their studies and future careers to play sc2 full time. as much as I would like to see a "world cup" of starcraft, and believe me I love the world cup, it would be very unfair to slam the door in their faces. if you do that, they're fucked!


Isnt there a Blizzard World cup coming up?
Once in a while its awesome but every MLG i doubt i will love it that much if they would do it like this.
And it would be unfair to US citicens to have a limited amount of players if the tourney is in theire own country.
F-
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
June 06 2012 13:42 GMT
#291
You forgot cluster, super cluster, hyper cluster between galaxy and universe
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BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
June 06 2012 13:42 GMT
#292
On June 06 2012 22:40 ceaRshaf wrote:
I want to see a member of my family play.
I want to see a member of my neighborhood play.
I want to see a member of my town play.
I want to see a member of my country play.
I want to see a member of my continent play.
I want to see a member of my planet play.
I want to see a member of my Arm play.
I want to see a member of my Galaxy play.
I want to see a member of my Universe play.

In that order.

That is not racism or anything, it's how human beings have evolved, wanting to defend their close ones before anything else (other tribe or smth).


Eloquently put. Ignore this fact at your peril people.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
June 06 2012 13:42 GMT
#293
On June 06 2012 22:42 Superouman wrote:
You forgot cluster, super cluster, hyper cluster between galaxy and universe


I was zooming out faster now to save space ))))
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
June 06 2012 13:43 GMT
#294
ye i only watch tournaments where the is a foreigner playing or team leagues..
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
June 06 2012 13:43 GMT
#295
On June 06 2012 22:40 meadbert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 22:35 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 06 2012 22:32 meadbert wrote:
There is a huge disconnect between Europeans and Americans regarding this issue. In Europe it is common to have rules regarding the number of foreigners allowed per league and per team, but the idea itself is totally foreign in America.

We do not limit the number of Latin Americans that play Major League Baseball.

We do not limit the number of Europeans that play Basketball.

We do not limit the number of Europeans or Canadians that play on American ice hockey teams.

American believe in letting the best play regardless of where they are from.

ESL and European leagues can be the leagues that keep out some of the best players for representing the wrong country, but in America lets keep letting the best compete against the best.


No European leagues ban foreigners from any of our sport.

I think Russian caps the number of foreign players but this is a country where fans throw banana's at black players so what do you expect from those clowns?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_football_players_in_Germany

http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item462279/Neville-rubbishes-new-EPL-quota-rules/


Those rules exist in England too but have no effect in practice because every team was always meeting the quotas anyway.

It's a bit like saying MLG/Dreamhack must have at least 20 American/Swedish players in the open bracket. It's a restriction in theory, but it doesn't actually do anything.

No German, English, Spanish team wants to sign a Brazilian but is cock blocked by the rules.
RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
June 06 2012 13:43 GMT
#296
btw has it just been "accepted" that the only reason Koreans are better is because they train longer/harder?

Isn't it very possible that they have some kind of racial affinity (quick handspeed, multi-tasking thinking etc,.) such as African Americans have for a quick twitch muscle sport like basketball or East Africans for marathon running?
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
June 06 2012 13:44 GMT
#297
So basically it's okay to allow as many as you want from the country hosting the tournament and then denying a lot of people from other countries?

Isn't that unfair for everyone else?
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Chilling5pr33
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Germany518 Posts
June 06 2012 13:44 GMT
#298
On June 06 2012 22:40 meadbert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 22:35 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 06 2012 22:32 meadbert wrote:
There is a huge disconnect between Europeans and Americans regarding this issue. In Europe it is common to have rules regarding the number of foreigners allowed per league and per team, but the idea itself is totally foreign in America.

We do not limit the number of Latin Americans that play Major League Baseball.

We do not limit the number of Europeans that play Basketball.

We do not limit the number of Europeans or Canadians that play on American ice hockey teams.

American believe in letting the best play regardless of where they are from.

ESL and European leagues can be the leagues that keep out some of the best players for representing the wrong country, but in America lets keep letting the best compete against the best.


No European leagues ban foreigners from any of our sport.

I think Russian caps the number of foreign players but this is a country where fans throw banana's at black players so what do you expect from those clowns?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_football_players_in_Germany

http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item462279/Neville-rubbishes-new-EPL-quota-rules/


Well they support the local players so players who are out of that town or the close area but they dont ban others ;/ still racist for me.
F-
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 06 2012 13:44 GMT
#299
yes, only for special events, then it would be awesome.

but since MLG constitutes a significant portion of their winnings, and given that other tournaments might follow suit, it can't be every other event.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
mx.raaawwwr
Profile Joined February 2012
17 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 13:50:23
June 06 2012 13:44 GMT
#300
So instead of foreigners playing better, we should not have Koreans in our tournaments? Then what is the point of a tournament if it is not to see who is better. You just totally undermine the whole concept of a tournament. Who the hell will care if you win a MLG when the real competition is in Korea?
/facepalm racist community.
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