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On May 14 2012 23:08 arbitrageur wrote:
What non-sense.
Black people have a lower mean iq and are less educated on average. Education and IQ have a demonstrated positive correlation with obesity. This is the only evidenced link between being a black woman and being obese. I could formulate it statistically but I really can't be bothered. You have a point their my fellow Aussie. What then do you say about Australia's own Obesity problem?
(I myself will watch and wait to see if all these programs the government has put in - sunsafe, healthy eating, anti-smoking, anti-childhood-obesity campagains, will be efficacious in the years to come)
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On May 15 2012 01:46 Courthead wrote:When wading through such an extensive pile of shit as this, it's refreshing to come across a few intelligent posts. I figured I'd collect them all in one place: Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 23:56 imallinson wrote:The article is an opinion piece backed up by anecdotal evidence and thus is kind of worthless. If you look at actual studies the largest factor by far in rates of obesity is income ( source). This is mainly due to the cheapest food per calorie being exeptionally unhealthy ( source). Given that there is still a lot of income inequality in black communities in the US it is a reasonable conclusion that poverty not a cultural norm is responsible for high obesity rates. +100 points for being the first reasonable post in this thread. It only took 4 pages! Show nested quote +On May 14 2012 23:53 unteqair wrote:
It is true, but only because blacks tend to grow up in environments that don't foster the skills that iq tests measure. It's nothing genetic; there is more genetic variation within races than between. And it's not even a causal relationship, the whole iq obesity thing, I mean. You don't need to be adjusted to solving puzzles to figure out what happens when you eat a lot of junk. +50 points for pointing out a very true and interesting fact (re: genetic variation within/between races). You lost points, however, for your erroneous analysis of IQ. There are mountains of evidence showing that IQ is, largely, heritable. Adopted siblings brought up in the same household will have disparate IQs, while identical twins separated at birth will still have similar IQs, etc. For more info, check out Steven Pinker's book The Blank Slate. Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 00:15 KazeHydra wrote:
It means that the genetics differ more within the same race (say, Chinese) than if you compared 2 races. The idea is that overall, races' genetics will average out to be more or less the same whereas genetics within the same race can be quite diverse. Don't be deceived by how different people of races can look as this is a very poor indicator of genetic similarity. +90 points for being 100% correct in your analysis and then coming to a responsible conclusion. Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 01:05 narkissos wrote:Of course there are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence#Validity_of_.22race.22_and_.22IQ.22 you should not spread lies, misinformation and call those more informed than yourself for ignorant solely based on your political beliefs. What causes the discrepancy is however disputed and there are a range of theories, check the link if you are interested. As for the purpose of the thread I don´t really see what "new appraoch to obesity problem among blacks"she uses. Exercise and changing her families diet is hardly revolutionary? Starting exercise classes for others is of course a good thing. Specifically targeting black obese people instead of just obese people on the other hand come across as bit strange to me, I´m however not an american and this might bee the norm there? As for the reasons for high obesity rates among blacks I would assume that SE factors play a large part. Sadly bad food are usually cheap food which not only means that poor are more likely to buy bad food but also that people descendant from poor people might carry with them a bad food culture even if their economic situation has improved. Most black people in the US for obvious reasons are descendants from lower classes. This however is pure speculation on my part. +90 points for being intelligent enough to look up information rather than simply speculate, and to admit it when you do get around to speculating. If I left your "intelligent" post out, it's probably because it was (a) completely off-topic, (b) intelligent but mostly a flame, or (c) unintelligent and full of speculation and personal anecdotes.
As much as I personally enjoyed the BBcode use here, legit thats well done for someone under 100 posts, I really don't agree with your statement. Other than arguing sematics, their is a heavy bias in the african american community about slavery and even though it was 200 years ago, it is still a relevant issue. Its not every black person, but when February comes around in America, you can bet you will see a lot of african american communities doing something relative to slavery and oppression. Bad foods, cheap foods, etc. all of that is part of America, but poor people are also obese, in fact some people who are on food stamps are that way when you would think they wouldn't be. The issue isn't just a health one, its also a social one. There are many obese white women, but its not AS extensive of an issue neccessarily. It could be because I personally live in the American South, in a fairly... Ok VERY ghetto city, i believe we are about #5-4 worst city in America and somewhere up their in the world as a crime ridden place, and the culture about obesity here is actually somewhat similar where it is a cultural thing as much as a health thing.
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On May 15 2012 04:42 Holy_AT wrote:
I am racist towards the human race, and I think that human kind is unevolved and uncivilized.
They are stupid machines.
For me humans are not even selfaware ... some few individuals, one in millions is maybe beginning to become self aware and to see behind its programming and see the world as it is.
Humans are primitive and vile, all of them. They should be treated with utmost caution.
They have no sense of morals and ethics, how could they....
What in the world does this have to do with anything?
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On May 15 2012 05:16 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 04:42 Holy_AT wrote:
I am racist towards the human race, and I think that human kind is unevolved and uncivilized.
They are stupid machines.
For me humans are not even selfaware ... some few individuals, one in millions is maybe beginning to become self aware and to see behind its programming and see the world as it is.
Humans are primitive and vile, all of them. They should be treated with utmost caution.
They have no sense of morals and ethics, how could they.... What in the world does this have to do with anything?
Maybe he just watched the matrix or something...
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On May 15 2012 04:39 tavelscrabble wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 04:24 Blennd wrote:On May 15 2012 01:51 tavelscrabble wrote:A lot of people are keen to reduce this issue to a single variable - poverty. But its not that simple. Obesity rates in most US states are around 30% (yes even on the East Coast) and poverty rates are more like 15%. Absolutely poverty has a huge role to play but obesity has exploded over the last 15 years, poverty rates have not. obesity in US http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States Unfortunately social problems are rarely simple and culture almost always has a role to play. Nope, this is TL.net, where upper middle class white kids can easily explain the world's problems with a simple one liner and a link to a poverty study. That's not a bad one-liner of your own, did you have a substantive point though?
I was agreeing with you! It might not have looked like it because you did actually link to some studies related to the topic, but I greatly admire that even though you have a point that demonstrably proves that there is more to this issue than merely poverty, thus essentially disproving the entire first 8 pages of the thread, you were still humble enough to admit that these problems are very complicated and difficult to explain. I was making fun of the other posters who are just like "guys guys guys, I have it all figured it out", and then post the one thing they have ever read on the issue.
As for my own point, I would like to point out that it might juuuust be possible that an an obese black woman in America has more of an insight into the lives of obese black women in America than the majority of people on TL.
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On May 14 2012 23:51 B.I.G. wrote:You other brothers cant deny
When a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face
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On May 15 2012 05:33 Blennd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 04:39 tavelscrabble wrote:On May 15 2012 04:24 Blennd wrote:On May 15 2012 01:51 tavelscrabble wrote:A lot of people are keen to reduce this issue to a single variable - poverty. But its not that simple. Obesity rates in most US states are around 30% (yes even on the East Coast) and poverty rates are more like 15%. Absolutely poverty has a huge role to play but obesity has exploded over the last 15 years, poverty rates have not. obesity in US http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States Unfortunately social problems are rarely simple and culture almost always has a role to play. Nope, this is TL.net, where upper middle class white kids can easily explain the world's problems with a simple one liner and a link to a poverty study. That's not a bad one-liner of your own, did you have a substantive point though? I was agreeing with you! It might not have looked like it because you did actually link to some studies related to the topic, but I greatly admire that even though you have a point that demonstrably proves that there is more to this issue than merely poverty, thus essentially disproving the entire first 8 pages of the thread, you were still humble enough to admit that these problems are very complicated and difficult to explain. I was making fun of the other posters who are just like "guys guys guys, I have it all figured it out", and then post the one thing they have ever read on the issue. As for my own point, I would like to point out that it might juuuust be possible that an an obese black woman in America has more of an insight into the lives of obese black women in America than the majority of people on TL.
Sorry, shouldn't have jumped to the wrong conclusion, or down your throat. Wholeheartedly agree with your point as well.
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Poor, less educated, less intelligent people (these things tend to go together) on average are heavier in the US, I think this is true of most western states. I don't see a justification for making African Americans a unique group when these factors might explain the difference entirely.
Saying they are fat because that want to be is kind of libertarian and true in an obvious way, they just value overeating more than they value being a healthy weight. Making up shit like "fighting oppression" or following some strange ideology by stuffing their faces with unhealthy food is just silly.
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It's just a fat woman trying to justify her own laziness... Being fat is ok, defending it is not and that is just the case, no one sits at home and wishes they were fat... It's not a "culture thing" it's to many black woman (and americans in general) eating poisonous fast food products and plowing their colestoral into the gutter awaiting a quick death from heart attack.
So basically, being fat isn't " a choice " people want, it's poor choice people made and with foods addictive properties keeps them in an endless loop.
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African American / Southern cuisine consists of high calorie fattening stuff like mac n cheese, fried chicken, buttermilk biscuit etc. Blacks back then had a lot more workload back in the segregation days so they weren't really fat despite of such diets, but now that they can work less and live on welfare it's no surprise to see them getting fat.
Same happens to many veterans, they were required to have high calorie diets in training / battlefields but once they're discharged they become fat since they're continuing such diets / eating habits whilst no longer having a high workload.
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On May 15 2012 05:48 ppshchik wrote:
African American / Southern cuisine consists of high calorie fattening stuff like mac n cheese, fried chicken, buttermilk biscuit etc. Blacks back then had a lot more workload back in the segregation days so they weren't really fat despite of such diets, but now that they can work less and live on welfare it's no surprise to see them getting fat.
Same happens to many veterans, they were required to have high calorie diets in training / battlefields but once they're discharged they become fat since they're continuing such diets / eating habits whilst no longer having a high workload.
Holy shit that was subtle racism.... "Blacks back then had a lot more workload, but now they can sit on welfare, no surprise they are fat"
Jesus Christ man, live in 2012 not 1950's
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On May 15 2012 05:52 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 05:48 ppshchik wrote:
African American / Southern cuisine consists of high calorie fattening stuff like mac n cheese, fried chicken, buttermilk biscuit etc. Blacks back then had a lot more workload back in the segregation days so they weren't really fat despite of such diets, but now that they can work less and live on welfare it's no surprise to see them getting fat.
Same happens to many veterans, they were required to have high calorie diets in training / battlefields but once they're discharged they become fat since they're continuing such diets / eating habits whilst no longer having a high workload. Holy shit that was subtle racism.... "Blacks back then had a lot more workload, but now they can sit on welfare, no surprise they are fat" Jesus Christ man, live in 2012 not 1950's
For blacks I'm talking about African Americans who lived in the south for generations, not Carribean immigrants who share a different culture
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On May 15 2012 05:46 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
It's just a fat woman trying to justify her own laziness... Being fat is ok, defending it is not and that is just the case, no one sits at home and wishes they were fat... It's not a "culture thing" it's to many black woman (and americans in general) eating poisonous fast food products and plowing their colestoral into the gutter awaiting a quick death from heart attack.
So basically, being fat isn't " a choice " people want, it's poor choice people made and with foods addictive properties keeps them in an endless loop.
Yep, when she said things like:
"The cost of too many people getting too fat is too high."
"The billions that we are spending to treat diabetes is money that we don’t have for education reform or retirement benefits, and what’s worse, it’s estimated that the total cost of America’s obesity epidemic could reach almost $1 trillion by 2030 if we keep on doing what we have been doing."
"WE have to change. Black women especially."
"My goal is to be the last fat black woman in my family."
she was definitely just trying to justify her own laziness. If she was defending being fat, she is the worst debater in history.
She was simply offering an explanation of the types of things that might cause people to eat more that is specific to black women. She never said being fat was ok or good, in fact quite the opposite. She never said this one cultural factor explained everything about obesity. She never said other factors that affect weight loss aren't shared by black women and other obese Americans alike. For Christ's sake people, read the OP, and stop putting words in her mouth.
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On May 15 2012 05:52 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 05:48 ppshchik wrote:
African American / Southern cuisine consists of high calorie fattening stuff like mac n cheese, fried chicken, buttermilk biscuit etc. Blacks back then had a lot more workload back in the segregation days so they weren't really fat despite of such diets, but now that they can work less and live on welfare it's no surprise to see them getting fat.
Same happens to many veterans, they were required to have high calorie diets in training / battlefields but once they're discharged they become fat since they're continuing such diets / eating habits whilst no longer having a high workload. Holy shit that was subtle racism.... "Blacks back then had a lot more workload, but now they can sit on welfare, no surprise they are fat" Jesus Christ man, live in 2012 not 1950's
The amount of just sheer ignorance in this thread is rather astounding. It's not just the comments like that one, but all of the completely made up shit that people are repeating. Not to mention all of the people who clearly didn't read the OP who are in here arguing that obesity is caused by unhealthy eating and lack of exercise. (the author never disputed this, in fact she's advocating for heathly eating and exercise!) Goes to show how many people don't read past the first 2 sentences of a thread.
I would've hoped TL was more mature than this, apparently it is not.
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On May 15 2012 06:07 TheToast wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 05:52 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On May 15 2012 05:48 ppshchik wrote:
African American / Southern cuisine consists of high calorie fattening stuff like mac n cheese, fried chicken, buttermilk biscuit etc. Blacks back then had a lot more workload back in the segregation days so they weren't really fat despite of such diets, but now that they can work less and live on welfare it's no surprise to see them getting fat.
Same happens to many veterans, they were required to have high calorie diets in training / battlefields but once they're discharged they become fat since they're continuing such diets / eating habits whilst no longer having a high workload. Holy shit that was subtle racism.... "Blacks back then had a lot more workload, but now they can sit on welfare, no surprise they are fat" Jesus Christ man, live in 2012 not 1950's The amount of just sheer ignorance in this thread is rather astounding. It's not just the comments like that one, but all of the completely made up shit that people are repeating. Not to mention all of the people who clearly didn't read the OP who are in here arguing that obesity is caused by unhealthy eating and lack of exercise. (the author never disputed this, in fact she's advocating for heathly eating and exercise!) Goes to show how many people don't read past the first 2 sentences of a thread. I would've hoped TL was more mature than this, apparently it is not.
And I stated the unhealthy diet of southern cuisine and lack of exercise in my post. How is that ignorant for proving my point?
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OP you misspelled 'approach' in the "READ:" part of the title fyi.
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It seems all of teamliquid has gone on a bias crusade. But we ourselves are biased. We are in the immense majority richer than average young white 18-25 year old males living all around the globe, that is to say the exact opposite of the demographic we are talking about. The children of the people applauding forced exercise at that conference the author is speaking about.
I wouldn't give much credit to her ideas myself, but I don't think the people in charge of debt and finances in Nashville really care. Real or not, if it works then it's good. Nothing better than good old placebo.
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On May 15 2012 05:07 docvoc wrote:
Other than arguing sematics, their is a heavy bias in the african american community about slavery
I have no idea what this means but I really hope you aren't trying on this bullshit about 'it happened so long ago, why can't you blacks just drop it?!'.
Because the jews NEVER mention the holocaust.
And the Armenians NEVER mention the Turkish genocide.
And people NEVER bring up the slaughter of the South American natives by the Conquistadores.
Of course there is a desire to bring the damn issue up and discuss it, it's a horrific, tragic and ultimately defining point of black identity in the US. It's so incredibly awful what the whites did to the blacks, and this goes beyond slavery and into Jim Crow. Whites SHOULD be reminded every year of how horrific their ancestors behaved, just like we would never let the germans forget about the nazis even though very very few are nazis anymore.
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On May 15 2012 06:16 ppshchik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 06:07 TheToast wrote:On May 15 2012 05:52 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On May 15 2012 05:48 ppshchik wrote:
African American / Southern cuisine consists of high calorie fattening stuff like mac n cheese, fried chicken, buttermilk biscuit etc. Blacks back then had a lot more workload back in the segregation days so they weren't really fat despite of such diets, but now that they can work less and live on welfare it's no surprise to see them getting fat.
Same happens to many veterans, they were required to have high calorie diets in training / battlefields but once they're discharged they become fat since they're continuing such diets / eating habits whilst no longer having a high workload. Holy shit that was subtle racism.... "Blacks back then had a lot more workload, but now they can sit on welfare, no surprise they are fat" Jesus Christ man, live in 2012 not 1950's The amount of just sheer ignorance in this thread is rather astounding. It's not just the comments like that one, but all of the completely made up shit that people are repeating. Not to mention all of the people who clearly didn't read the OP who are in here arguing that obesity is caused by unhealthy eating and lack of exercise. (the author never disputed this, in fact she's advocating for heathly eating and exercise!) Goes to show how many people don't read past the first 2 sentences of a thread. I would've hoped TL was more mature than this, apparently it is not. And I stated the unhealthy diet of southern cuisine and lack of exercise in my post. How is that ignorant for proving my point?
You said "now that they can live on welfare". The vast majority of black people do not receive welfare. Thus ignorance.
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And all this time I thought it was just the good homemade fried chicken!
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