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On May 05 2012 00:00 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:59 adrenaLinG wrote:On May 04 2012 23:57 Psychobabas wrote:On May 04 2012 23:50 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 kcbgoku wrote:
You think Destiny is a racist? I guess you do. Maybe you should read something about racism first, or ask someone about it.
You think telling this to sponsors will help anyone?
No, it's just hurting everyone around.
This discussion is a waste of time. Some of you are arguing about things you have no clue about. I don't know where all smart people are. Probably they're too smart to participate in this nonsense. I'm going to join them now. The point in question is that Destiny did say a racist term and quantic/eports/sponsors don't like that sort of thing. I have no idea why the question of Destiny being a racist (with a neo nazi mentality) is being brought up because it doesn't bring anything to the table. Do you actually believe that if Destiny isn't a racist at heart then it will be ok and fine for him to insult other races? Do you believe that if Destiny didn't have a neo nazi mentality that that would mean he could say racist things without hurting others? He said something that was wrong. He got sacked by quantic because they have sponsors to please. Nuff said. That's what happened and it was the right call. I challenge any one of you who backs destiny to post a youtube video with your face showing spewing racist terms. I mean if Destiny isn't a racist yet he uses racist terms then why can't you do the same on youtube? But none of you will do that...because you are all scared to do so. Because people don't like people saying racist things regardless of whether they have the neo nazi mentality or not. Destiny is an easy target cauz he blabbers a lot (some people like it, some people hate it). You live in the U.K. right? Walk to your local pub and listen to all the racist jokes going around. Then sue them all. Go on. Or are you just satisifed with one guy across the Atlantic losing his sponsor? Go on then. You seem to not understand this idea of an esports professional Playing games is serious business yes.
Do you want it to be?
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On May 04 2012 23:54 sad.wish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:51 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:49 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:47 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:40 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 Treva wrote:On May 04 2012 23:19 RodrigoX wrote:
I just don't get these things anymore.
It's just insane, literally, a perfect term is we are lynching people, without due process. Like, the community are a part of the freaking Salem Witch Trails. We are being judge, jury, executioner, and supreme asshole. We are not letting these events, process long enough. We are not letting objective questions, and none emotional responces govern things. We are being fucking crazy ass fiends, who just do whatever we want without any semblance of order or intelligence. We are running off emotions, and making all of us look like asses, to everybody, everywhere.
Get a grip Sc2 community, we are honestly pathetic. No, what's insane is the people who try to defend him. I literally cannot understand whatsoever how people try to defend Destiny when he uses racial slurs. I've seen countless people try to defend why he should be allowed to say it. There are very, very few industries that you can actually get people to defend you when you call someone a derogatory racial slur, and esports is apparently and unfortunately one of them. What do you want us to do? He uses a racial slur on his stream that thousands of people are watching, a thread is made, he comes into the thread saying he would rather keep using those kinds of terms instead of issuing an apology and shows no interest in changing. No one is asking for Destiny to stop saying anything, no one is asking him to be a completely different person, however this whole situation is easily avoided, if people just stop using those words. That's it. It's really not that complicated. Don't call someone a racial slur, don't get this shit fest. Works 100% of the time. If you can't control your emotions enough to not call someone a racial slur then you have some real anger issues. Go ahead and call someone trash or bad or shit or garbage but when you bring their race, gender or ethnicity into it then you are crossing the line into a very personal attack, which makes you look like an immature punk. The part of this community that is 'pathetic' are the people who come in here and tell people to just get over it, grow thicker skin or stop being sensitive. That's absurd. Maybe some people can get offended easily than others but telling them that they should just get over it when someone throws around language like that is just ignorant. That excuse doesn't hold up in the real world and if we're trying to make this look professional why should it hold up here? Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you should get a free pass to act like a racist idiot. This guy understands it, If you are defending Destiny and think we are pathetic cause we don't want racist, prejudice kids representing our community. Then so be it, we are pathetic as a community....... You are kids, not we. We defend Destiny because we know that making Destiny stop using racial slurs won't purge racism from the world. The only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power. You are kids, because you do not understand that we're not white knights on horses whose purpose is to save the world from evil. We're an online community for a videogame, not an online forum for politics. Stop pretending you can make an impact on the world, because you cannot. By having a player from this community punished you are not contributing towards your so-called "goal" of purging racism. You are harming the community. Stop acting, get a grip, grow up and go out. If you want to contribute towards the elimination of racism, then start by accepting the fact, that for aslong as you cencor racial slurs, then you are filling them with meaning and hate. Having a player removed from his StarCraft 2 Team will NOT make an impact. What kind of post is this? so now we think we are the police of the community, and now i have get out of my house and eliminate racism? What kind of EU trash logic is that? It is your so-called goal. Or perhaps you want to admit to have started this situation based on personal hate towards Destiny, and not because you want to eliminate racism afterall? PS: we all see your hate. You are losing your grip. You did not prepare for this. Did you not see my earlier post??? I emailed razer from 8 different emails, with 8 different well written essays.... if you write 3 page essays, they listen. I got him booted from his team, and banned from TL for a bit. Well worth it  it only helped esports to rid us of his behavior. If he does not change, i can assure you the pitch forks will come out again.
Heres hope that you will stay away from future titles ill be playing so theres one less selfrighteous noob in future communities to take care of.
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On May 05 2012 00:00 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:58 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:57 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:54 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:51 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:49 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:47 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:40 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 Treva wrote:On May 04 2012 23:19 RodrigoX wrote:
I just don't get these things anymore.
It's just insane, literally, a perfect term is we are lynching people, without due process. Like, the community are a part of the freaking Salem Witch Trails. We are being judge, jury, executioner, and supreme asshole. We are not letting these events, process long enough. We are not letting objective questions, and none emotional responces govern things. We are being fucking crazy ass fiends, who just do whatever we want without any semblance of order or intelligence. We are running off emotions, and making all of us look like asses, to everybody, everywhere.
Get a grip Sc2 community, we are honestly pathetic. No, what's insane is the people who try to defend him. I literally cannot understand whatsoever how people try to defend Destiny when he uses racial slurs. I've seen countless people try to defend why he should be allowed to say it. There are very, very few industries that you can actually get people to defend you when you call someone a derogatory racial slur, and esports is apparently and unfortunately one of them. What do you want us to do? He uses a racial slur on his stream that thousands of people are watching, a thread is made, he comes into the thread saying he would rather keep using those kinds of terms instead of issuing an apology and shows no interest in changing. No one is asking for Destiny to stop saying anything, no one is asking him to be a completely different person, however this whole situation is easily avoided, if people just stop using those words. That's it. It's really not that complicated. Don't call someone a racial slur, don't get this shit fest. Works 100% of the time. If you can't control your emotions enough to not call someone a racial slur then you have some real anger issues. Go ahead and call someone trash or bad or shit or garbage but when you bring their race, gender or ethnicity into it then you are crossing the line into a very personal attack, which makes you look like an immature punk. The part of this community that is 'pathetic' are the people who come in here and tell people to just get over it, grow thicker skin or stop being sensitive. That's absurd. Maybe some people can get offended easily than others but telling them that they should just get over it when someone throws around language like that is just ignorant. That excuse doesn't hold up in the real world and if we're trying to make this look professional why should it hold up here? Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you should get a free pass to act like a racist idiot. This guy understands it, If you are defending Destiny and think we are pathetic cause we don't want racist, prejudice kids representing our community. Then so be it, we are pathetic as a community....... You are kids, not we. We defend Destiny because we know that making Destiny stop using racial slurs won't purge racism from the world. The only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power. You are kids, because you do not understand that we're not white knights on horses whose purpose is to save the world from evil. We're an online community for a videogame, not an online forum for politics. Stop pretending you can make an impact on the world, because you cannot. By having a player from this community punished you are not contributing towards your so-called "goal" of purging racism. You are harming the community. Stop acting, get a grip, grow up and go out. If you want to contribute towards the elimination of racism, then start by accepting the fact, that for aslong as you cencor racial slurs, then you are filling them with meaning and hate. Having a player removed from his StarCraft 2 Team will NOT make an impact. What kind of post is this? so now we think we are the police of the community, and now i have get out of my house and eliminate racism? What kind of EU trash logic is that? It is your so-called goal. Or perhaps you want to admit to have started this situation based on personal hate towards Destiny, and not because you want to eliminate racism afterall? PS: we all see your hate. You are losing your grip. You did not prepare for this. Did you not see my earlier post??? I emailed razer from 8 different emails, with 8 different well written essays.... if you write 3 page essays, they listen. I got him booted from his team, and banned from TL for a bit. Well worth it it only helped esports to rid us of his behavior. If he does not change, i can assure you the pitch forks will come out again. Your personal hate will get you in trouble. Stop using racism as an excuse to have particular players you don't like removed, simply because you're far too retarded to simply leave his stream. PAntythief, I have never turned his stream on ever..... and i never emailed anyone but this is the position i side with, I don't think Destiny is good for our community or our esport. I would not waste my time writting the sponsors lol, i have finals next week. But i side with anyone that did email them , because quantic did not take action... Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:54 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:51 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:49 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:47 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:40 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 Treva wrote:On May 04 2012 23:19 RodrigoX wrote:
I just don't get these things anymore.
It's just insane, literally, a perfect term is we are lynching people, without due process. Like, the community are a part of the freaking Salem Witch Trails. We are being judge, jury, executioner, and supreme asshole. We are not letting these events, process long enough. We are not letting objective questions, and none emotional responces govern things. We are being fucking crazy ass fiends, who just do whatever we want without any semblance of order or intelligence. We are running off emotions, and making all of us look like asses, to everybody, everywhere.
Get a grip Sc2 community, we are honestly pathetic. No, what's insane is the people who try to defend him. I literally cannot understand whatsoever how people try to defend Destiny when he uses racial slurs. I've seen countless people try to defend why he should be allowed to say it. There are very, very few industries that you can actually get people to defend you when you call someone a derogatory racial slur, and esports is apparently and unfortunately one of them. What do you want us to do? He uses a racial slur on his stream that thousands of people are watching, a thread is made, he comes into the thread saying he would rather keep using those kinds of terms instead of issuing an apology and shows no interest in changing. No one is asking for Destiny to stop saying anything, no one is asking him to be a completely different person, however this whole situation is easily avoided, if people just stop using those words. That's it. It's really not that complicated. Don't call someone a racial slur, don't get this shit fest. Works 100% of the time. If you can't control your emotions enough to not call someone a racial slur then you have some real anger issues. Go ahead and call someone trash or bad or shit or garbage but when you bring their race, gender or ethnicity into it then you are crossing the line into a very personal attack, which makes you look like an immature punk. The part of this community that is 'pathetic' are the people who come in here and tell people to just get over it, grow thicker skin or stop being sensitive. That's absurd. Maybe some people can get offended easily than others but telling them that they should just get over it when someone throws around language like that is just ignorant. That excuse doesn't hold up in the real world and if we're trying to make this look professional why should it hold up here? Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you should get a free pass to act like a racist idiot. This guy understands it, If you are defending Destiny and think we are pathetic cause we don't want racist, prejudice kids representing our community. Then so be it, we are pathetic as a community....... You are kids, not we. We defend Destiny because we know that making Destiny stop using racial slurs won't purge racism from the world. The only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power. You are kids, because you do not understand that we're not white knights on horses whose purpose is to save the world from evil. We're an online community for a videogame, not an online forum for politics. Stop pretending you can make an impact on the world, because you cannot. By having a player from this community punished you are not contributing towards your so-called "goal" of purging racism. You are harming the community. Stop acting, get a grip, grow up and go out. If you want to contribute towards the elimination of racism, then start by accepting the fact, that for aslong as you cencor racial slurs, then you are filling them with meaning and hate. Having a player removed from his StarCraft 2 Team will NOT make an impact. What kind of post is this? so now we think we are the police of the community, and now i have get out of my house and eliminate racism? What kind of EU trash logic is that? It is your so-called goal. Or perhaps you want to admit to have started this situation based on personal hate towards Destiny, and not because you want to eliminate racism afterall? PS: we all see your hate. You are losing your grip. You did not prepare for this. Did you not see my earlier post??? I emailed razer from 8 different emails, with 8 different well written essays.... if you write 3 page essays, they listen. I got him booted from his team, and banned from TL for a bit. Well worth it it only helped esports to rid us of his behavior. If he does not change, i can assure you the pitch forks will come out again. You're losing your grip so fast, it's hilarious.
I'm glad i make you mad this is why im here
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 04 2012 23:36 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:34 natebreen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:08 halfies wrote:On May 04 2012 22:41 Doodsmack wrote:On May 04 2012 22:14 papaz wrote:On May 04 2012 15:52 Parodoxx wrote:
wow man just wow. any other players you guys want to get fired? Actually nice of you to bring this up. Because yeah, just about every other pro player out there thinking it's all cool to throw around racial slurs on the ladder. So if you know any other pro players going "gook" or other racial slurs out there just post the screenshots here and let the community decide and tell the sponsors (and Blizzard for that matter) if they find it acceptable. thanks for asking. I take that to mean you emailed quantic's sponsors in this case? Shame on you. I'd like to see the people who emailed the sponsors actually admit to it in this thread, but I doubt they will. And it's telling that they aren't willing to admit it. How do you feel about doing damage to Quantic and it's other players before even giving Quantic a chance to respond? You're Swedish - do you consider yourself a fan of Naniwa? What if he's going to lose some benefits as a result of this? What if this has caused him and other Quantic players worry which hurts their practice mindset? Was there no other way to communicate your opinion to Quantic than to go straight to their sponsors? I think that deep down, the people who contacted the sponsors realize that it wasn't really to carry the banner of justice and do the right thing for esports. It was just to fulfill some cynical urge in them to be destructive and incite drama. And that's why I haven't seen a single person in this thread admit to it directly (though someone correct me if I've missed it). The bottom line is that you're doing more harm than good. We would be better off without you as a "fan". Now let's see if any of them will admit to it in response to this, or if they will just continue to hide in their little holes. i emailed razer. and i stand by it. personally, i think any racism in any form is absolutely disgusting, and im exactly the same in real life. if people i know act racist tell them not to, and if they keep doing it i stop any associations with them. if you are stupid enough to think that e sports can grow beyond what it is right now with behaviour like that your very stupid. and i dont feel bad about not giving quantic a chance to respond because if no one had made a fuss, they wouldn't have. it not the first time destiny has said thing that he wouldn't get away with in any other role, and they have continued to support him. if quantic had chosen destiny over razer they would have been silly, and deserved to fail as a team. and obviously, razer wouldn't have stopped supporting them unless they had no choice. so i dont feel bad about hypothetical situations that were very unlikely to happen. if you want the SC2 community to be consist solely of immature children and socially retarded adults who have no idea how the real world works, then indeed you would be better off without me as a fan, but since thats not what i want, its not something that im willing to give up basic principles to help. and im sure youll laugh at the basic principles bit, but to me, discrimination against anything that you cant help, be it race, sexual orientation, or just a problem you were born with is wrong and should be fought at every moment it rears its head. ive already stated why i think that destiny is actually a racist in the previous thread, and not, as many of his fanboys have said just using it as an expression of free speech, or in an attempt to help bring awareness to the problems, which is another laughable line that has been spouted several times. the bottom line is that while what i did may not have been good for destiny, its good for esports, and TL, to attempt to distance ourselves from things like this. if you want to have a SC2 scene where you can say things like that without getting in trouble, its called /vg/, and its fucking awful So you're so moved by your disgust for "racists" that you e-mailed razer personally, but you feel that disparaging the mentally disabled is ok: "the idea that men are inherently better at video games is retarded." and you felt that the orb situation was silly: "because people love starting threads? i think they feel important this whole thing is silly, orb shouldn't have said what he did, and people shouldn't have searched his VODs to get him sacked. im not even sure why anyone cares." yet another "dropping to bronze to off race is retarded, you should off race and then drop." So is your motivation really the offensive hate-speech, or more along the lines of this: "destiny might be better than ill ever be, but in terms of professional 'players', hes pretty awful. i think it would be fair to say that hes the worst full time SC2 gamer in terms of talent. what destiny does have is a very loyal following, and its not something he built with indifference. i dont like him, or his stream, but i will say that he puts alot of effort into it, and he seems to realize that hes an entertainer who plays games, and also that its his job, so he better do it well if he wants to eat." This is probably the most ironic of them all (from this very post): "immature children and socially retarded adults" vs. 3 lines later "and im sure youll laugh at the basic principles bit, but to me, discrimination against anything that you cant help, be it race, sexual orientation, or just a problem you were born with is wrong and should be fought at every moment it rears its head." erm... what? This. User was warned for this post
im not intending to offend, i genuinely believe that to not think what destiny says is racist you would have to be very immature or so unaware of social norms that you could be considered socially retarded
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On May 04 2012 23:49 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:47 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:40 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 Treva wrote:On May 04 2012 23:19 RodrigoX wrote:
I just don't get these things anymore.
It's just insane, literally, a perfect term is we are lynching people, without due process. Like, the community are a part of the freaking Salem Witch Trails. We are being judge, jury, executioner, and supreme asshole. We are not letting these events, process long enough. We are not letting objective questions, and none emotional responces govern things. We are being fucking crazy ass fiends, who just do whatever we want without any semblance of order or intelligence. We are running off emotions, and making all of us look like asses, to everybody, everywhere.
Get a grip Sc2 community, we are honestly pathetic. No, what's insane is the people who try to defend him. I literally cannot understand whatsoever how people try to defend Destiny when he uses racial slurs. I've seen countless people try to defend why he should be allowed to say it. There are very, very few industries that you can actually get people to defend you when you call someone a derogatory racial slur, and esports is apparently and unfortunately one of them. What do you want us to do? He uses a racial slur on his stream that thousands of people are watching, a thread is made, he comes into the thread saying he would rather keep using those kinds of terms instead of issuing an apology and shows no interest in changing. No one is asking for Destiny to stop saying anything, no one is asking him to be a completely different person, however this whole situation is easily avoided, if people just stop using those words. That's it. It's really not that complicated. Don't call someone a racial slur, don't get this shit fest. Works 100% of the time. If you can't control your emotions enough to not call someone a racial slur then you have some real anger issues. Go ahead and call someone trash or bad or shit or garbage but when you bring their race, gender or ethnicity into it then you are crossing the line into a very personal attack, which makes you look like an immature punk. The part of this community that is 'pathetic' are the people who come in here and tell people to just get over it, grow thicker skin or stop being sensitive. That's absurd. Maybe some people can get offended easily than others but telling them that they should just get over it when someone throws around language like that is just ignorant. That excuse doesn't hold up in the real world and if we're trying to make this look professional why should it hold up here? Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you should get a free pass to act like a racist idiot. This guy understands it, If you are defending Destiny and think we are pathetic cause we don't want racist, prejudice kids representing our community. Then so be it, we are pathetic as a community....... You are kids, not we. We defend Destiny because we know that making Destiny stop using racial slurs won't purge racism from the world. The only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power. You are kids, because you do not understand that we're not white knights on horses whose purpose is to save the world from evil. We're an online community for a videogame, not an online forum for politics. Stop pretending you can make an impact on the world, because you cannot. By having a player from this community punished you are not contributing towards your so-called "goal" of purging racism. You are harming the community. Stop acting, get a grip, grow up and go out. If you want to contribute towards the elimination of racism, then start by accepting the fact, that for aslong as you cencor racial slurs, then you are filling them with meaning and hate. Having a player removed from his StarCraft 2 Team will NOT make an impact. Did you say "white knights"? You mean, "multicoloured knights". If you offend someone around here it is OVER for you sir!
Post of the century!
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On May 04 2012 23:57 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:50 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 kcbgoku wrote:
You think Destiny is a racist? I guess you do. Maybe you should read something about racism first, or ask someone about it.
You think telling this to sponsors will help anyone?
No, it's just hurting everyone around.
This discussion is a waste of time. Some of you are arguing about things you have no clue about. I don't know where all smart people are. Probably they're too smart to participate in this nonsense. I'm going to join them now. The point in question is that Destiny did say a racist term and quantic/eports/sponsors don't like that sort of thing. I have no idea why the question of Destiny being a racist (with a neo nazi mentality) is being brought up because it doesn't bring anything to the table. Do you actually believe that if Destiny isn't a racist at heart then it will be ok and fine for him to insult other races? Do you believe that if Destiny didn't have a neo nazi mentality that that would mean he could say racist things without hurting others? He said something that was wrong. He got sacked by quantic because they have sponsors to please. Nuff said. That's what happened and it was the right call. I challenge any one of you who backs destiny to post a youtube video with your face showing spewing racist terms. I mean if Destiny isn't a racist yet he uses racist terms then why can't you do the same on youtube? But none of you will do that...because you are all scared to do so. Because people don't like people saying racist things regardless of whether they have the neo nazi mentality or not. Destiny is an easy target cauz he blabbers a lot (some people like it, some people hate it). You live in the U.K. right? Walk to your local pub and listen to all the racist jokes going around. Then sue them all. Go on. Or are you just satisifed with one guy across the Atlantic losing his sponsor? Go on then.
Have you even been to a pub? Good luck listening to other people's conversation in a london pub at peak time.
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On May 04 2012 23:41 reptile wrote:
Destiny has expressed time and time again, like a normal human being, that he speaks his mind. He doesn't hide behind social norms and feels free to express his opinion on HIS stream, regardless of how controversial it might be. (...) As an open minded individual who completely dismisses the idea of "being offended," it's disappointing that people felt the need to push this far to punish someone for using their ability to express themselves. I'll continue supporting and watching Destiny, not because of how he plays or what he plays, but because of the person he is.
No one is punishing Destiny for using the ability to express himself. He is being punished because of what he did with said ability. He can express himself all he wants, no one is forbidding him to do it. He just has to accept that not everyone might enjoy it.
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On May 04 2012 23:59 adrenaLinG wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:57 Psychobabas wrote:On May 04 2012 23:50 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 kcbgoku wrote:
You think Destiny is a racist? I guess you do. Maybe you should read something about racism first, or ask someone about it.
You think telling this to sponsors will help anyone?
No, it's just hurting everyone around.
This discussion is a waste of time. Some of you are arguing about things you have no clue about. I don't know where all smart people are. Probably they're too smart to participate in this nonsense. I'm going to join them now. The point in question is that Destiny did say a racist term and quantic/eports/sponsors don't like that sort of thing. I have no idea why the question of Destiny being a racist (with a neo nazi mentality) is being brought up because it doesn't bring anything to the table. Do you actually believe that if Destiny isn't a racist at heart then it will be ok and fine for him to insult other races? Do you believe that if Destiny didn't have a neo nazi mentality that that would mean he could say racist things without hurting others? He said something that was wrong. He got sacked by quantic because they have sponsors to please. Nuff said. That's what happened and it was the right call. I challenge any one of you who backs destiny to post a youtube video with your face showing spewing racist terms. I mean if Destiny isn't a racist yet he uses racist terms then why can't you do the same on youtube? But none of you will do that...because you are all scared to do so. Because people don't like people saying racist things regardless of whether they have the neo nazi mentality or not. Destiny is an easy target cauz he blabbers a lot (some people like it, some people hate it). You live in the U.K. right? Walk to your local pub and listen to all the racist jokes going around. Then sue them all. Go on. Or are you just satisifed with one guy across the Atlantic losing his sponsor? Go on then. You seem to not understand this idea of an esports professional
I understand it perfectly well, being in the scene for 12 years, trust me. But it makes me sick when I see people get on their high horse and do... very little actually. You want to stamp out racism? Well great, why confine that online in the "esports" area? Is that a comfort zone? Are the rough drinkers in the pub too much to handle? It's pathetic actually.
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On May 04 2012 23:55 natebreen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:53 Treva wrote:On May 04 2012 23:43 natebreen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:40 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 Treva wrote:On May 04 2012 23:19 RodrigoX wrote:
I just don't get these things anymore.
It's just insane, literally, a perfect term is we are lynching people, without due process. Like, the community are a part of the freaking Salem Witch Trails. We are being judge, jury, executioner, and supreme asshole. We are not letting these events, process long enough. We are not letting objective questions, and none emotional responces govern things. We are being fucking crazy ass fiends, who just do whatever we want without any semblance of order or intelligence. We are running off emotions, and making all of us look like asses, to everybody, everywhere.
Get a grip Sc2 community, we are honestly pathetic. No, what's insane is the people who try to defend him. I literally cannot understand whatsoever how people try to defend Destiny when he uses racial slurs. I've seen countless people try to defend why he should be allowed to say it. There are very, very few industries that you can actually get people to defend you when you call someone a derogatory racial slur, and esports is apparently and unfortunately one of them. What do you want us to do? He uses a racial slur on his stream that thousands of people are watching, a thread is made, he comes into the thread saying he would rather keep using those kinds of terms instead of issuing an apology and shows no interest in changing. No one is asking for Destiny to stop saying anything, no one is asking him to be a completely different person, however this whole situation is easily avoided, if people just stop using those words. That's it. It's really not that complicated. Don't call someone a racial slur, don't get this shit fest. Works 100% of the time. If you can't control your emotions enough to not call someone a racial slur then you have some real anger issues. Go ahead and call someone trash or bad or shit or garbage but when you bring their race, gender or ethnicity into it then you are crossing the line into a very personal attack, which makes you look like an immature punk. The part of this community that is 'pathetic' are the people who come in here and tell people to just get over it, grow thicker skin or stop being sensitive. That's absurd. Maybe some people can get offended easily than others but telling them that they should just get over it when someone throws around language like that is just ignorant. That excuse doesn't hold up in the real world and if we're trying to make this look professional why should it hold up here? Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you should get a free pass to act like a racist idiot. This guy understands it, If you are defending Destiny and think we are pathetic cause we don't want racist, prejudice kids representing our community. Then so be it, we are pathetic as a community....... Don't you think you're being a bit selective, which is the crux of Destiny's argument? You're ok with violence, terms like "owned" hm... gee.. wonder where the term owned came from.... Yet you draw the line at someone using a racial slur in a "raging" or joking manner. Are you telling me you've never called a female a bitch, or someone a moron, or retard? You don't EVER stereotype people based on race? Destiny isn't the chicken. He's part of the group of eggs that are everyone in the community of gamers in our generation. He didn't create the slang used, or the offensive nature, or the CONFLICT that is inherent in games. You want to WIN, and someone else will LOSE. When you are the loser, you lash out. It's natural. Putting importance and meaning to the words of an irrational emotional person who just lost a game that they play for a living is a fucking joke. That's the problem, you somehow see his rage as joking. Calling someone a fucking faggot then telling them to fuck off g**k doesn't really seem like a joke, especially after the person whom he said it to makes a thread about it complaining. Again I understand that when you lose you can get frustrated but I'll reiterate what I said in my OP, when you make it a personal attack then that's crossing the line. Also to all this 'where do we draw the line' bullshit is tiresome, I keep seeing people posting it. How about we start at racial attacks. Seems like a pretty good place to draw the first line here. So if you posted every replay you've ever played, every chat log from your messengers, and every conversation with your friends, you've never called someone a "fucking retard" or "bitch" or "moron" or "faggot" or "dyke" or any of the above? You're a pure person who uses only the terms outlined as objectively morally acceptable by every group in existence who might take offense?
I really do not understand what this has to do with me as if trying to get me to admit to using those words makes my whole stance crumble. I typically don't go around calling people fucking retards or faggots, sorry but I wouldn't do it especially if I were in a professional position like Destiny, on a professional team and had sponsors to represent then I can pretty confidently say that I would not say the shit he says. Again, I'm not saying I'm the greatest man who ever lived like I claiming I wasn't in my last post you quoted, but I certainly don't go around calling people g**ks on ladder. I also don't understand how you can put words like moron and n****r on the same level.
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Defiant to the end. Now that he doesn't have a team, I wouldn't be surprised if he became more aggressive and care even less about PC.
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On May 05 2012 00:03 Xercen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:57 Psychobabas wrote:On May 04 2012 23:50 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 kcbgoku wrote:
You think Destiny is a racist? I guess you do. Maybe you should read something about racism first, or ask someone about it.
You think telling this to sponsors will help anyone?
No, it's just hurting everyone around.
This discussion is a waste of time. Some of you are arguing about things you have no clue about. I don't know where all smart people are. Probably they're too smart to participate in this nonsense. I'm going to join them now. The point in question is that Destiny did say a racist term and quantic/eports/sponsors don't like that sort of thing. I have no idea why the question of Destiny being a racist (with a neo nazi mentality) is being brought up because it doesn't bring anything to the table. Do you actually believe that if Destiny isn't a racist at heart then it will be ok and fine for him to insult other races? Do you believe that if Destiny didn't have a neo nazi mentality that that would mean he could say racist things without hurting others? He said something that was wrong. He got sacked by quantic because they have sponsors to please. Nuff said. That's what happened and it was the right call. I challenge any one of you who backs destiny to post a youtube video with your face showing spewing racist terms. I mean if Destiny isn't a racist yet he uses racist terms then why can't you do the same on youtube? But none of you will do that...because you are all scared to do so. Because people don't like people saying racist things regardless of whether they have the neo nazi mentality or not. Destiny is an easy target cauz he blabbers a lot (some people like it, some people hate it). You live in the U.K. right? Walk to your local pub and listen to all the racist jokes going around. Then sue them all. Go on. Or are you just satisifed with one guy across the Atlantic losing his sponsor? Go on then. Have you even been to a pub? Good luck listening to other people's conversation in a london pub at peak time.
LOL please
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On May 05 2012 00:00 whiskypriest wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:47 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:40 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 Treva wrote:On May 04 2012 23:19 RodrigoX wrote:
I just don't get these things anymore.
It's just insane, literally, a perfect term is we are lynching people, without due process. Like, the community are a part of the freaking Salem Witch Trails. We are being judge, jury, executioner, and supreme asshole. We are not letting these events, process long enough. We are not letting objective questions, and none emotional responces govern things. We are being fucking crazy ass fiends, who just do whatever we want without any semblance of order or intelligence. We are running off emotions, and making all of us look like asses, to everybody, everywhere.
Get a grip Sc2 community, we are honestly pathetic. No, what's insane is the people who try to defend him. I literally cannot understand whatsoever how people try to defend Destiny when he uses racial slurs. I've seen countless people try to defend why he should be allowed to say it. There are very, very few industries that you can actually get people to defend you when you call someone a derogatory racial slur, and esports is apparently and unfortunately one of them. What do you want us to do? He uses a racial slur on his stream that thousands of people are watching, a thread is made, he comes into the thread saying he would rather keep using those kinds of terms instead of issuing an apology and shows no interest in changing. No one is asking for Destiny to stop saying anything, no one is asking him to be a completely different person, however this whole situation is easily avoided, if people just stop using those words. That's it. It's really not that complicated. Don't call someone a racial slur, don't get this shit fest. Works 100% of the time. If you can't control your emotions enough to not call someone a racial slur then you have some real anger issues. Go ahead and call someone trash or bad or shit or garbage but when you bring their race, gender or ethnicity into it then you are crossing the line into a very personal attack, which makes you look like an immature punk. The part of this community that is 'pathetic' are the people who come in here and tell people to just get over it, grow thicker skin or stop being sensitive. That's absurd. Maybe some people can get offended easily than others but telling them that they should just get over it when someone throws around language like that is just ignorant. That excuse doesn't hold up in the real world and if we're trying to make this look professional why should it hold up here? Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you should get a free pass to act like a racist idiot. This guy understands it, If you are defending Destiny and think we are pathetic cause we don't want racist, prejudice kids representing our community. Then so be it, we are pathetic as a community....... You are kids, not we. We defend Destiny because we know that making Destiny stop using racial slurs won't purge racism from the world. The only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power. You are kids, because you do not understand that we're not white knights on horses whose purpose is to save the world from evil. We're an online community for a videogame, not an online forum for politics. Stop pretending you can make an impact on the world, because you cannot. By having a player from this community punished you are not contributing towards your so-called "goal" of purging racism. You are harming the community. Stop acting, get a grip, grow up and go out. If you want to contribute towards the elimination of racism, then start by accepting the fact, that for aslong as you cencor racial slurs, then you are filling them with meaning and hate. Having a player removed from his StarCraft 2 Team will NOT make an impact. This actually is a pretty childish post. The adult thing to do is to understand that racism is still a pervasive problem in our society (speaking as a citizen of the US) and that there is nothing we as individuals can do about that. At the same time, we should understand that when individuals in our communities (real or virtual) abuse people in racial terms, we can express our view that such activities are unacceptable. That's the reason you will never hear the word "nigger" in any kind of semi-polite conversation any more. (Google "frown power" to read about a similarly-themed civil rights campaign.) That certainly hasn't eliminated racism, but it does do a little bit to make communities a little less hostile for minorities, which is a positive thing. I'm a little conflicted about the level of the outcry against Destiny. I mean, he is basically just a kid too, who has the mixed good fortune of having a platform that streams a lot of unedited content out to the world in a way that can come back to haunt him. I'm definitely dismayed by all the sophistry from Destiny defenders. Free speech is not involved here. People against the use of the word gook as a term of abuse are not the real racists. It is definitely not the case that "the only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power." (Really? You think that's going to do the trick?)
So I'm childish because I choose to deal with racism differently than you?
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I can't believe this happened. Make no mistake, this what because of literally one word that was said on ladder. When Orb got fired I thought,"Well this is a bunch of racsist white knights killing something good just because they can." I didn't think it would happen again. I expected it from reddit, but not from TL. Now that two people have been lynched by the community for literally one word each, this could be the beggining of the end for SC2. When this gets out of hand, and people start getting fired for cussing on their streams I will point at Destiney and orb as the moment when TL turned into reddit, the land where dumb people act smart.
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good. you don't deserve a team if you can't control yourself enough to avoid typing or screaming inflammatory slurs. is it really that hard to be creative with insults?
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On May 05 2012 00:02 sad.wish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:00 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:58 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:57 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:54 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:51 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:49 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:47 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:40 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 Treva wrote:
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No, what's insane is the people who try to defend him. I literally cannot understand whatsoever how people try to defend Destiny when he uses racial slurs. I've seen countless people try to defend why he should be allowed to say it. There are very, very few industries that you can actually get people to defend you when you call someone a derogatory racial slur, and esports is apparently and unfortunately one of them.
What do you want us to do? He uses a racial slur on his stream that thousands of people are watching, a thread is made, he comes into the thread saying he would rather keep using those kinds of terms instead of issuing an apology and shows no interest in changing. No one is asking for Destiny to stop saying anything, no one is asking him to be a completely different person, however this whole situation is easily avoided, if people just stop using those words. That's it. It's really not that complicated. Don't call someone a racial slur, don't get this shit fest. Works 100% of the time. If you can't control your emotions enough to not call someone a racial slur then you have some real anger issues. Go ahead and call someone trash or bad or shit or garbage but when you bring their race, gender or ethnicity into it then you are crossing the line into a very personal attack, which makes you look like an immature punk.
The part of this community that is 'pathetic' are the people who come in here and tell people to just get over it, grow thicker skin or stop being sensitive. That's absurd. Maybe some people can get offended easily than others but telling them that they should just get over it when someone throws around language like that is just ignorant. That excuse doesn't hold up in the real world and if we're trying to make this look professional why should it hold up here? Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you should get a free pass to act like a racist idiot. This guy understands it, If you are defending Destiny and think we are pathetic cause we don't want racist, prejudice kids representing our community. Then so be it, we are pathetic as a community....... You are kids, not we. We defend Destiny because we know that making Destiny stop using racial slurs won't purge racism from the world. The only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power. You are kids, because you do not understand that we're not white knights on horses whose purpose is to save the world from evil. We're an online community for a videogame, not an online forum for politics. Stop pretending you can make an impact on the world, because you cannot. By having a player from this community punished you are not contributing towards your so-called "goal" of purging racism. You are harming the community. Stop acting, get a grip, grow up and go out. If you want to contribute towards the elimination of racism, then start by accepting the fact, that for aslong as you cencor racial slurs, then you are filling them with meaning and hate. Having a player removed from his StarCraft 2 Team will NOT make an impact. What kind of post is this? so now we think we are the police of the community, and now i have get out of my house and eliminate racism? What kind of EU trash logic is that? It is your so-called goal. Or perhaps you want to admit to have started this situation based on personal hate towards Destiny, and not because you want to eliminate racism afterall? PS: we all see your hate. You are losing your grip. You did not prepare for this. Did you not see my earlier post??? I emailed razer from 8 different emails, with 8 different well written essays.... if you write 3 page essays, they listen. I got him booted from his team, and banned from TL for a bit. Well worth it it only helped esports to rid us of his behavior. If he does not change, i can assure you the pitch forks will come out again. Your personal hate will get you in trouble. Stop using racism as an excuse to have particular players you don't like removed, simply because you're far too retarded to simply leave his stream. PAntythief, I have never turned his stream on ever..... and i never emailed anyone but this is the position i side with, I don't think Destiny is good for our community or our esport. I would not waste my time writting the sponsors lol, i have finals next week. But i side with anyone that did email them , because quantic did not take action... On May 04 2012 23:54 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:51 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:49 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:47 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:40 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 Treva wrote:On May 04 2012 23:19 RodrigoX wrote:
I just don't get these things anymore.
It's just insane, literally, a perfect term is we are lynching people, without due process. Like, the community are a part of the freaking Salem Witch Trails. We are being judge, jury, executioner, and supreme asshole. We are not letting these events, process long enough. We are not letting objective questions, and none emotional responces govern things. We are being fucking crazy ass fiends, who just do whatever we want without any semblance of order or intelligence. We are running off emotions, and making all of us look like asses, to everybody, everywhere.
Get a grip Sc2 community, we are honestly pathetic. No, what's insane is the people who try to defend him. I literally cannot understand whatsoever how people try to defend Destiny when he uses racial slurs. I've seen countless people try to defend why he should be allowed to say it. There are very, very few industries that you can actually get people to defend you when you call someone a derogatory racial slur, and esports is apparently and unfortunately one of them. What do you want us to do? He uses a racial slur on his stream that thousands of people are watching, a thread is made, he comes into the thread saying he would rather keep using those kinds of terms instead of issuing an apology and shows no interest in changing. No one is asking for Destiny to stop saying anything, no one is asking him to be a completely different person, however this whole situation is easily avoided, if people just stop using those words. That's it. It's really not that complicated. Don't call someone a racial slur, don't get this shit fest. Works 100% of the time. If you can't control your emotions enough to not call someone a racial slur then you have some real anger issues. Go ahead and call someone trash or bad or shit or garbage but when you bring their race, gender or ethnicity into it then you are crossing the line into a very personal attack, which makes you look like an immature punk. The part of this community that is 'pathetic' are the people who come in here and tell people to just get over it, grow thicker skin or stop being sensitive. That's absurd. Maybe some people can get offended easily than others but telling them that they should just get over it when someone throws around language like that is just ignorant. That excuse doesn't hold up in the real world and if we're trying to make this look professional why should it hold up here? Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you should get a free pass to act like a racist idiot. This guy understands it, If you are defending Destiny and think we are pathetic cause we don't want racist, prejudice kids representing our community. Then so be it, we are pathetic as a community....... You are kids, not we. We defend Destiny because we know that making Destiny stop using racial slurs won't purge racism from the world. The only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power. You are kids, because you do not understand that we're not white knights on horses whose purpose is to save the world from evil. We're an online community for a videogame, not an online forum for politics. Stop pretending you can make an impact on the world, because you cannot. By having a player from this community punished you are not contributing towards your so-called "goal" of purging racism. You are harming the community. Stop acting, get a grip, grow up and go out. If you want to contribute towards the elimination of racism, then start by accepting the fact, that for aslong as you cencor racial slurs, then you are filling them with meaning and hate. Having a player removed from his StarCraft 2 Team will NOT make an impact. What kind of post is this? so now we think we are the police of the community, and now i have get out of my house and eliminate racism? What kind of EU trash logic is that? It is your so-called goal. Or perhaps you want to admit to have started this situation based on personal hate towards Destiny, and not because you want to eliminate racism afterall? PS: we all see your hate. You are losing your grip. You did not prepare for this. Did you not see my earlier post??? I emailed razer from 8 different emails, with 8 different well written essays.... if you write 3 page essays, they listen. I got him booted from his team, and banned from TL for a bit. Well worth it it only helped esports to rid us of his behavior. If he does not change, i can assure you the pitch forks will come out again. You're losing your grip so fast, it's hilarious. I'm glad i make you mad this is why im here
Yeah, because kids with crusades on the Internet makes me mad, especially when they have zero impact on my personal life.
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On May 05 2012 00:02 halfies wrote:
im not intending to offend, i genuinely believe that to not think what destiny says is racist you would have to be very immature or so unaware of social norms that you could be considered socially retarded
So...this post exemplifies what I think is the absurdity of this whole thing. I'll bet you can't even see the irony in what you wrote.
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On May 04 2012 23:58 ShiNwave wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:45 Vega62a wrote:On May 04 2012 23:41 ShiNwave wrote:
Just who are the sponsors? Razer? lol... Theyre a company that makes gaming peripherals. They want to sponsor gaming - if they aren't sponsoring Quantic they would have moved onto a different organisation, or a different game altogether.
If you want the sc2 community to be sponsored, it's SO EASY.
Keep things clean - i'm sure razer would love to have sponsored Destiny if his behaviour was consistently like in the JIMMMMYY NOOO clip. Literally the only thing about that post was even remotely correct was that Razer is a company that makes peripherals. However, they sponsor multiple teams. They do not currently make a profit off of their sponsorships. They are sponsoring based on perceived future ROI, the notion that SC2 will grow instead of shrink, and that they will always be held in a positive light for their sponsorships, and never a negative one. When you tell them, "I will buy a Razer product because you sponsor Quantic!" that helps a little. When you tell them "I will never buy a Razer product because of Quantic," that hurts a lot.They don't need to sponsor esports. If you think they do, you're way off base. Here's the crux of the issue - Stop making this a community that accepts and actively defends unacceptable behaviour. I understand that you are vehemently arguing for people NOT to contact the sponsors, but I personally think that this gets to the root of the problem faster. Stamp out unacceptable behaviour from professionals? Go straight to the sponsors. The gaming organisation is now motivated, and the community will learn that some things are off limits. If 50 people had emailed Quantic regarding Destiny, I wonder how much it would have moved them to act. Destiny was a known quantity when Quantic recruited him - they knew what they were getting. It happened with orb, and now with destiny - when will you learn? I understand razer are, just like other sponsors, not getting any direct financial gain from sponsoring. However, they are evidently happy enough to sponsor the sc2 community - if it turns into a scumbag community then obviously they wont sponsor. We share the same opinion, but I'm saying the root of the problem is the behaviour of players rather than just saying "please don't contact sponsors - you're killing the scene". The players are killing the scene by condoning this behaviour.
It's also up to the teams to not pick up players like this. Quantic was thinking about expanding their fan base and made a poor decision in taking on Destiny without thinking of the bigger picture. Hopefully with the Orb incident and now Destiny, teams will choose wisely and sit their current players down and tell them to cut the racist BS.
BTW we got a statement from Destiny, do we have a statement from Quantic? I know Alex Garfield wrote a statement for EG a few hours after Orb's incident came to light.
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On May 05 2012 00:04 Pantythief wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 00:00 whiskypriest wrote:On May 04 2012 23:47 Pantythief wrote:On May 04 2012 23:40 sad.wish wrote:On May 04 2012 23:38 Treva wrote:On May 04 2012 23:19 RodrigoX wrote:
I just don't get these things anymore.
It's just insane, literally, a perfect term is we are lynching people, without due process. Like, the community are a part of the freaking Salem Witch Trails. We are being judge, jury, executioner, and supreme asshole. We are not letting these events, process long enough. We are not letting objective questions, and none emotional responces govern things. We are being fucking crazy ass fiends, who just do whatever we want without any semblance of order or intelligence. We are running off emotions, and making all of us look like asses, to everybody, everywhere.
Get a grip Sc2 community, we are honestly pathetic. No, what's insane is the people who try to defend him. I literally cannot understand whatsoever how people try to defend Destiny when he uses racial slurs. I've seen countless people try to defend why he should be allowed to say it. There are very, very few industries that you can actually get people to defend you when you call someone a derogatory racial slur, and esports is apparently and unfortunately one of them. What do you want us to do? He uses a racial slur on his stream that thousands of people are watching, a thread is made, he comes into the thread saying he would rather keep using those kinds of terms instead of issuing an apology and shows no interest in changing. No one is asking for Destiny to stop saying anything, no one is asking him to be a completely different person, however this whole situation is easily avoided, if people just stop using those words. That's it. It's really not that complicated. Don't call someone a racial slur, don't get this shit fest. Works 100% of the time. If you can't control your emotions enough to not call someone a racial slur then you have some real anger issues. Go ahead and call someone trash or bad or shit or garbage but when you bring their race, gender or ethnicity into it then you are crossing the line into a very personal attack, which makes you look like an immature punk. The part of this community that is 'pathetic' are the people who come in here and tell people to just get over it, grow thicker skin or stop being sensitive. That's absurd. Maybe some people can get offended easily than others but telling them that they should just get over it when someone throws around language like that is just ignorant. That excuse doesn't hold up in the real world and if we're trying to make this look professional why should it hold up here? Just because you're on the internet doesn't mean you should get a free pass to act like a racist idiot. This guy understands it, If you are defending Destiny and think we are pathetic cause we don't want racist, prejudice kids representing our community. Then so be it, we are pathetic as a community....... You are kids, not we. We defend Destiny because we know that making Destiny stop using racial slurs won't purge racism from the world. The only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power. You are kids, because you do not understand that we're not white knights on horses whose purpose is to save the world from evil. We're an online community for a videogame, not an online forum for politics. Stop pretending you can make an impact on the world, because you cannot. By having a player from this community punished you are not contributing towards your so-called "goal" of purging racism. You are harming the community. Stop acting, get a grip, grow up and go out. If you want to contribute towards the elimination of racism, then start by accepting the fact, that for aslong as you cencor racial slurs, then you are filling them with meaning and hate. Having a player removed from his StarCraft 2 Team will NOT make an impact. This actually is a pretty childish post. The adult thing to do is to understand that racism is still a pervasive problem in our society (speaking as a citizen of the US) and that there is nothing we as individuals can do about that. At the same time, we should understand that when individuals in our communities (real or virtual) abuse people in racial terms, we can express our view that such activities are unacceptable. That's the reason you will never hear the word "nigger" in any kind of semi-polite conversation any more. (Google "frown power" to read about a similarly-themed civil rights campaign.) That certainly hasn't eliminated racism, but it does do a little bit to make communities a little less hostile for minorities, which is a positive thing. I'm a little conflicted about the level of the outcry against Destiny. I mean, he is basically just a kid too, who has the mixed good fortune of having a platform that streams a lot of unedited content out to the world in a way that can come back to haunt him. I'm definitely dismayed by all the sophistry from Destiny defenders. Free speech is not involved here. People against the use of the word gook as a term of abuse are not the real racists. It is definitely not the case that "the only way to ultimately get rid of racism is to accept the fact that by cencoring words, you are encouraging its power." (Really? You think that's going to do the trick?) So I'm childish because I choose to deal with racism differently than you?
No, it's because you've employed the "I won't clean my room because people will still be starving in Africa" line of argument.
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I personally have no idea of the backstory here. What actually happened and what were the resons for that? It would've been really nice to add somekind of backstory explanation to the OP for those of us who are not familiar with the full story.
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On May 04 2012 23:57 reptile wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 23:47 revel8 wrote:On May 04 2012 23:39 GizmoPT wrote:On May 04 2012 23:37 revel8 wrote:On May 04 2012 23:31 KadaverBB wrote:On May 04 2012 23:23 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:23 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:21 Xercen wrote:On May 04 2012 23:15 Pwnographics wrote:On May 04 2012 23:14 Xercen wrote:
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No because that would be discriminatory based on a person's disability.
Hey I can name at least 10 streamers who have used retard on their stream, wanna write to their sponsors with me too? I didn't write to any sponsors. I didn't even know about this until i saw this post and read up on it. But yeah you should tell those streams to stop using offensive language. Good man! No because I enjoy it, like many others. If people don't like watching streams with profanity you don't have to. Yeah that's why i don't! I watch stephano stream. Funny how stephano doesn't need profanity to draw in a ton of viewers. He can get viewers by being funny and with good skills and commentary. A real professional progamer. Destiny needs to learn a few things from stephano about managing the public. Really? yesterday stephano called hasuobs a nazi and asked him how many jews he killed last night. Why aren't there threads up already? That was totally racist and shit. Just for the record, i thought it was fucking funny and i am german. Hasu and Stephano are friends. They know each other professionally and socially. They engaged in banter based on their personal relationship. Stephano called Hasu a Nazi and asked how many Jews he had killed. Hasu made a response implying Stephano was an Arab terrorist. Both players were fine with this level of banter. They happily engaged in friendly chat after the match. Don't pretend that these situations are comparable. I thought it was obvious that people address people they are friends with differently to random strangers. Hasu or Stephano have not complained about the content of this chat. If they are comfortable with it, then there is no need for controversy. lol ? even if they are friends couldnt a jew be offended ? or a arab ? thats not excuse.. anyway all this offended crap is stupid f the esports police!  The telling issue is whether Hasu was offended. You can ask him if you like. You can ask Stephano if he was offended by Hasu. It was friendly banter based on an existing relationship with previously established levels of banter. Stephano also has a weird banter with JYP where he calls him big-head. Friends can have private in-jokes. That is very different from insulting strangers. Do I really need to explain that? First off, no. My post of how I feel about this is above, but I'm going to play Devils advocate because apparently you don't understand. The fact of whether or not Hasu was offended is completely irrelevant. By the standards this community is setting, Stephano said something racist, so that means the team he represents and the sponsors who support him are associated with a racist. So leading by example, any viewer/sponsor/PERSON who was offended by what Stephano said should go complain to sponsors until actions taken. Did I really need to explain that?
You can complain to the sponsors if you felt offended by two friends having an in-joke. You can complain to whoever you like. That is your right. The outcome would be that Stephano would be asked to explain himself. He would say Hasu and him were engaging in banter. Hasu would likely confirm this and that he was not offended. Stephano would explain he was not offended by being called a terrorist because of his Arab background. Both Hasu and Stephano would agree not to repeat such banter in a public forum. The incident would not be repeated. Neither Hasu or Stephano would have to leave their teams because they refused to stop calling each other Nazi and Terrorist in public. Neither Hasu or Stephano would leave their teams because they were not willing to cease in this type of banter.
So go ahead and complain and pretend the situations are comparable. The outcomes would be very different because the situations were very different. It seems I have had to explain the situation.
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