Destiny and Quantic part ways - Page 112
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IcedteaDota
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:49 MercilessMonkey wrote: Unless you email razer every time you buy something, and tell them that a big reason you bought it is because of him, that really isn't true at all. They sell millions of products all over the world. The don't know who buys what and why. I buy plenty of razer products. I have a mouse, mousepad, headset, and earbuds. None of them were bought because of Destiny. Me buying these products did not support him in any way. (No idea who his sponsors are, just an example). I mentioned this earlier, but gaming peripherals and input devices in general are a huge market with tons of brands selling very similar products. As such, the deciding factor may be as simple as what teams/player the company supports. I wouldn't send an email to them every time a picked up a product, but generally I purchase a set of components at once and probably wouldn't mind dropping a 3-4 line email giving the company a heads as to what prompted me to choose their products. That can really help the scene if companies know that these things are making a difference for them. On May 05 2012 06:51 Heights wrote: I covered this in my post earlier. If you like a product, then don't let someone you disagree with or are offended by limit your ability to be happy, and buy the product. Razer supported other players, not just Destiny. By not watching his stream, you take money out of his pocket. By buying a Razer mouse that you want, for example, you put some money in his pocket, sure, but you also supported the community as a whole and other players on Quantic. As stated earlier in this post, the market Razor is in is very competitive. I could quite easily find an alternative to their products and wouldn't necessarily be sacrificing my own happiness to choose such an alternative, but if I want to support them because they support the players/teams I like, it helps make my decisions a tad easier. In the same vein, if a certain polarizing player is preventing me from purchasing their products, I don't see anything wrong with letting them know. | ||
Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:50 Bulldog654 wrote: The difference is that a woman has a right to wear what clothes she will withing the constraints of local laws without fear of being raped. People DO NOT have a right to not be offended. Also, I think using the word "victim" in this case is a bit too strong, somebody called him a mean word. That's it, that is all that happened, he was called a mean word. He wasn't punched, kicked, hit, or in any other way assaulted. He wasn't denied equal employment opportunities, he wasn't denied entry to a school, he wasn't denied fair housing. He was called a mean word. You're talking about negative rights, and I think the right to be free from rape is along the line of the right to be free from hostility. That's what hate speech is all about, but your point is taken nonetheless. | ||
MercilessMonkey
Canada150 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:53 Mordiford wrote: I mentioned this earlier, but gaming peripherals and input devices in general are a huge market with tons of brands selling very similar products. As such, the deciding factor may be as simple as what teams/player the company supports. I wouldn't send an email to them every time a picked up a product, but generally I purchase a set of components at once and probably wouldn't mind dropping a 3-4 line email giving the company a heads as to what prompted me to choose their products. That can really help the scene if companies know that these things are making a difference for them. Oh sure, absolutely I agree it can make a big difference if you let them know it. But that's my whole point. Most people do not. I seriously doubt more than a couple people here have sent off any emails telling companies why they bought said products. If you do, that's great and it can probably help the scene. But if I buy a product for unrelated reasons, I'm not really supporting him. | ||
StarStrider
United States689 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:53 IcedteaSC2 wrote: can't wait for SOTG to cover this i only want to hear what they say. these forums are pretty funny though. SoTG is the pot and the hosts are the stirrers. Without SoTG and similar shows the issues in this community wouldn't get nearly blown so far out of proportion. | ||
Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:44 Mordiford wrote: You seem to have no interest in actually dealing with the actual points being brought up. What's the course of action if you want to support Quantic and/or Razor but Destiny is the factor that prevents you. I feel like they wouldn't mind knowing, in fact I feel they'd prefer it over a number of people not buying their products when the fix was as simple as dropping/request a drop of a single player. I'll be honest, I don't think there are too many people out there who were about to buy a new Blackwidow or Deathadder but stopped themselves, thinking "ugh I just can't do it, I'd be indirectly supporting some guy who said nigger on the internet". But OK. Supposing this situation exists, it is now a problem that affects you personally, and you have the right to complain. You should direct your complaints to Quantic, expressing how inappropriate Destiny made you feel and that you can't support anything related to him in any way. I suppose you should avoid buying Razer products if that "eww I supported Destiny" feeling is too strong to overcome. If Quantic does nothing about it, then I suppose it would be appropriate to tell Razer how you feel. However, this is not what happened for the majority (if not all) of the people who complained to Razer right away. It was simply a case of "fuck that guy, I'm going to get him in trouble". It's quite simply, "Act how I expect you to act or I won't pay you" from Razor and what the fuck is wrong with that? This is how employment works, this is how sponsorship works. I've said repeatedly that Quantic and Razer have every right to make reasonable requests of Destiny and terminate their deal if he refuses. But random TL forum members should have not have this same power. | ||
Tehs Tehklz
United States330 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:53 IcedteaSC2 wrote: can't wait for SOTG to cover this i only want to hear what they say. these forums are pretty funny though. they had SOTG last night and decided not to cover it. | ||
Leth0
856 Posts
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Tehs Tehklz
United States330 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:55 Chocobo wrote: I'll be honest, I don't think there are too many people out there who were about to buy a new Blackwidow or Deathadder but stopped themselves, thinking "ugh I just can't do it, I'd be indirectly supporting some guy who said nigger on the internet". But OK. Supposing this situation exists, it is now a problem that affects you personally, and you have the right to complain. You should direct your complaints to Quantic, expressing how inappropriate Destiny made you feel and that you can't support anything related to him in any way. I suppose you should avoid buying Razer products if that "eww I supported Destiny" feeling is too strong to overcome. If Quantic does nothing about it, then I suppose it would be appropriate to tell Razer how you feel. However, this is not what happened for the majority (if not all) of the people who complained to Razer right away. It was simply a case of "fuck that guy, I'm going to get him in trouble". I've said repeatedly that Quantic and Razer have every right to make reasonable requests of Destiny and terminate their deal if he refuses. But random TL forum members should have not have this same power. Ayo, no shit, bro. Guess who terminated the deal with Destiny? A band of wild nerds certainly did not break into Razor headquarters and tear up the contract. | ||
pt
United States813 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213230 "WO he just called 50k people bitch!" come on, guys. this is absurd. | ||
Stubentiger
48 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:52 Strabismus wrote: Being brutally honest to the point where you say whatever random rubbish enters your mind at the time isn't a good thing. "Destiny" is incredibly contradictory and antagonistic, and half the stuff he comes out with is to his detriment. Being honest is a good quality; it takes a special someone to turn it into something distasteful, deplorable and embarrassing. This is a good thing, it'll be a good day for the scene when he's gone completely. Maybe but who else is entertaining to watch? I like Husky and Totalbiscuit as casters, both seem to do mostly events now? DeMuslim is really cool when he is explaining stuff. SC2 is entertainment too not only skill. The line between is in discussion ![]() | ||
aznball123
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Leth0
856 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:58 Stubentiger wrote: Maybe but who else is entertaining to watch? The people who take the game seriously and actually play well? just a thought. | ||
Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:57 pt wrote: Hahaha looking at all this, can you imagine if this happened today? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=213230 "WO he just called 50k people bitch!" come on, guys. this is absurd. Actually, Wheat commentates for EGMC so you could actually contact EG sponsors and get Wheat fired. I guess I should go get my pitchforks out of my closet. BRB. | ||
StarStrider
United States689 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:55 dAPhREAk wrote: they had SOTG last night and decided not to cover it. Good. The less drama queening the better, especially from respected members of the community. Leave that shit to people like Slasher, don't drag people like Sean Plott into the mud to talk about his stance on it. | ||
Cushion
United States14 Posts
I truly don't feel what Destiny did falls under rasism. He just used a word, he didn't spit in the guys face for being from a specific race (which i've actually been a victim of)! What he did was obviously wrong and bad manners, but IMHO not racism. I don't feel like Destiny should have been kicked out of quantic. I think that's going too far. He should recieve some sort of punishment obviously, but to ruin his career (cause no team is going to pick him up). Is far worse of a crime then what he did. I can't comment on how he got banned from the TL.net sidebar cause I don't know the full story, but it seems like he did do enough to deserve that one. I can say I've watched destiny's stream before and I felt it was lacking, and a bit stale. However the time I did watch it he used adult language enough for me not to be surprised by something like this. If I'm not mistaken he did have a langauge advisory stamp in his stream thread. We're all guilty of using words that we shouldn't, but crucifying someone for it is even worse then what they did. Just my 2 cents! Well back to Leeching bye! | ||
Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On May 05 2012 06:49 Fliparoni wrote: The freedom of speech that is protected by laws in this country that allowed Destiny to say those words also allowed people the freedom to go complain to Quantic and Razer. Once again, this is not a freedom of speech issue. Everyone involved was perfectly free to say whatever they wanted to whoever they wanted. Destiny did something stupid and inappropriate, and deserves the reputation that he gets from that. But in my opinion it's far more inappropriate to go to someone's employer and try to get them fired just because you don't like that. This is uncalled for, no matter how unpleasant the person is. And it certainly isn't needed when the person is someone you can easily never see again in your life just by making the choice to not watch his stream anymore. | ||
TricksAre4Figs
United States125 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:00 Cushion wrote: Reading this thread is bad for my health, but I can't help but to post. Everyone is making this something it isn't. So i've come from just being a forum leech that reads, and never contributes to post at least once in this thread. I truly don't feel what Destiny did falls under rasism. He just used a word, he didn't spit in the guys face for being from a specific race (which i've actually been a victim of)! What he did was obviously wrong and bad manners, but IMHO not racism. I don't feel like Destiny should have been kicked out of quantic. I think that's going too far. He should recieve some sort of punishment obviously, but to ruin his career (cause no team is going to pick him up). Is far worse of a crime then what he did. I can't comment on how he got banned from the TL.net sidebar cause I don't know the full story, but it seems like he did do enough to deserve that one. I can say I've watched destiny's stream before and I felt it was lacking, and a bit stale. However the time I did watch it he used adult language enough for me not to be surprised by something like this. If I'm not mistaken he did have a langauge advisory stamp in his stream thread. We're all guilty of using words that we shouldn't, but crucifying someone for it is even worse then what they did. Just my 2 cents! Well back to Leeching bye! I think you're forgetting the part where he is going to do it again and has no intention of admitting it is wrong in any way. | ||
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