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At the beginning I want to underline one thing. This topic isn't suppose to be offensive, rude, racist, homophobic or whatever you want. I just feel awful disgust after last Iron Lady Cup which I observed. Now, to the meritum.
As everyone knows, Scarlett is a man, who feels like a woman, and I'm 100% ok with that. Sometimes life is like that, you was born a female in male body. BUT there is one problem in my opinion. Why she is allowed to play girls tournaments? Now, why I am asking this question? Its simple. A man who wants to be woman, takes even hormone treatment ISNT ALLOWED to participate for example olympics for women. From obvious reasons. Man has better physical conditions than women and its just simply unfair for the rest. IMO same is in Starcraft. There are many girls who can compete with man on high level (female bonjwa Aphrodite, Maddie, CadenZa, Eve, Sakura, Flo) BUT this girls will probably never be as good as male progamers.
Conclusion: I just find it very unfair to allow a male player to play in ladies tournamets and wins them. I hope you understand my point of view and I won't be hatred by anybody, because as I mentioned before, Im totally ok with Scarlett, I respect her, wish her best, accepts her decisions and I'm not trying to be offensive.
Please think about it... Love and hugs
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The organizers left her in, no one else's business
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This thread is disgusting and your opinion on the subject is both inflammatory and hurtful. Shame on you.
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The tournament organizer knows it. The other players of the tournament know it. They have no problem with it. end of discussion
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Starcraft 2 is a game where girls do not have any specific advantage in terms of physicality.
In my opinion girls tournaments are more for getting girls into the game than showing off female talent. Its more a mental thing why there is not as many female progamers. So in my opinion it dosent really matter.
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I think the point is that Scarlett has the mind of a woman, and sc is all about the mind, not the body.
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You spent your first posts talking about this? Interesting choice...
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tournament organizers let her in like people are saying. get off your high horse.
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Well, I think you didn't get the main problem. What if somebody will want to cheat organizer next time and will try to fake such thing? Free cash if he is a better player...? Please, don't kill me for this thread -_-
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Here's to hoping this thread gets closed.
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1. The organizers of the tournament INVITED HER.
2. men and women are separated in the olympics because physically the men are much more dominant. In starcraft 2 men are more dominant because there must be a 90-1 ratio of males to females, not because physically we are any better at the game.
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On April 30 2012 03:10 rotegirte wrote:
The tournament organizer knows it. The other players of the tournament know it. They have no problem with it. end of discussion
Agreed with this 
And this topic has been discussed to death anyway, bringing it up again won't help anyone ^^
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Close this thread, smh...
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On April 30 2012 03:10 Anacletus wrote:
This thread is disgusting and your opinion on the subject is both inflammatory and hurtful. Shame on you.
What a fine citizen of liberal democracy we have here, folks.
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Im totally ok with Scarlett, I respect her, wish her best, accepts her decisions and I'm not trying to be offensive.
I always thought it was funny when someone said something that was pretty clearly going to be offensive to a large group of people and then said "i'm not trying to be offensive" at the end of it, like it somehow makes it okay.
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dont you have other problems to think about....
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On April 30 2012 03:12 PsychoPriest wrote:
Well, I think you didn't get the main problem. What if somebody will want to cheat organizer next time and will try to fake such thing? Free cash if he is a better player...? Please, don't kill me for this thread -_-
are you aware of any such thing? because that certainly didnt happen here.
edit: also, this tournament was for like $200 and a mouse. not like its even that large of a tournament that people would be willing to destroy their reputation to enter.
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Scarlett IS a female, born in a male body, but her brain is female.
Your brain is what you are. Your body is just a bag of meat to support the brain with oxygen, input via senses, and limbs to move the brain around.
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On April 30 2012 03:13 Corrosive wrote:Show nested quote +Im totally ok with Scarlett, I respect her, wish her best, accepts her decisions and I'm not trying to be offensive. I always thought it was funny when someone said something that was pretty clearly going to be offensive to a large group of people and then said "i'm not trying to be offensive" at the end of it, like it somehow makes it okay.
Where is ANYTHING offensive I said about Scarlett?
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On April 30 2012 03:12 PsychoPriest wrote:
Well, I think you didn't get the main problem. What if somebody will want to cheat organizer next time and will try to fake such thing? Free cash if he is a better player...? Please, don't kill me for this thread -_-
that's true. it's the problem when players smurf tournaments they are not eligible to play in. however, this time it is known and ok with everyone involved
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The girls aren't as good as boys yet because there are fewer of them playing the game, hence less talent brought into tournaments. I don't see any proven physical difference that would make them worse than men.
Your topic will probably be closed soon.
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My problem is: Your point holds the basis that like physical sports, females are at a disadvantage relative to males in Starcraft and other ESPORTS games, which...is an assumption, and frankly misogynistic.
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I see no problem with this and the orgainsers saw no problems otherwise they wouldn't have given out an invite ^.^
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The organizers let her in. If you look at Scarlett fanclub you can see a long post there by them. This thread is disgusting.
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I think you're an idoit to think male gamers are better at starcraft than female gamers. The only reason you don't hear about more female pro players is because the scene is dominated by male players plain and simple
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Given that competitive Starcraft is a non-physical sport, it's kind of irrelevant whether the competitor is male or female, which means the point of this female tournament wasn't the same as of the olympics rules you speak of. This was a tournament to raise awareness of the female Starcraft community and to publicize the fact that Starcraft is also a game that girls can be competitive at. Thus, the inclusion of Scarlett in this tournament doesn't even raise the question of fairness, because gender isn't something that's relevant in a non-physical sport like Starcraft.
If anything, the principle of a female-only tournament is what's wrong in here, not the inclusion of Scarlett. But as I said, the tournament accomplishes awareness-raising purposes, not competitive fairness purposes like in the olympics.
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its up to the tournament. If you don't like it, create your own female tourney
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Could you pick a better way to get banned, Scarlett is a women, and the iron lady organizers agree, so there fore you have nothing to speak of.
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On April 30 2012 03:14 PsychoPriest wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:13 Corrosive wrote:Im totally ok with Scarlett, I respect her, wish her best, accepts her decisions and I'm not trying to be offensive. I always thought it was funny when someone said something that was pretty clearly going to be offensive to a large group of people and then said "i'm not trying to be offensive" at the end of it, like it somehow makes it okay. Where is ANYTHING offensive I said about Scarlett?
Where is ANYTHING he said about Scarlett?
Men >>>>>>>>>> Women @ SC2 ezpz this is completely like Men >>>>>>>>> Women in boxing and stuff.
Wait a minute.... i think i'm replying to a troll.
PS there was sarcasm in this post
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On April 30 2012 03:15 Zach426 wrote:
I think you're an idoit to think male gamers are better at starcraft than female gamers. The only reason you don't hear about more female pro players is because the scene is dominated by male players plain and simple
thx for calling me idiot, because i think so, and its not only in esports. Its natural that girls are much better in one thing, man in others. Tell me, same thing in chess? Thats why man were ALWAYS better in chess? Because im an idiot? -.-
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On April 30 2012 03:15 Zach426 wrote:
I think you're an idoit to think male gamers are better at starcraft than female gamers. The only reason you don't hear about more female pro players is because the scene is dominated by male players plain and simple
He's not the only one to think this. DaSakura, a female semi-progamer also believe that girls will never be better than boys in starcraft 2. She mentioned it in an interview, search it if you're still curious.
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On April 30 2012 03:08 PsychoPriest wrote:
very unfair to allow a male player to play in ladies tournamets
Tournament organizers define who are 'ladies' and let them play, if you have a different opinion, protest to the organizers ...
I can't see why you'd be offended by it ... I really, really can't. Scarlett is a 'she' and the tournament organizers respect that.
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one thing the OP fails to respond to is the most logical refutation of his argument: in the olympics men are clearly physically superior to women by a large margin. in starcraft this is simply not the case, as its a game of the mind and not body, and women can be just as good -- the community just doesnt have women/not many women have interest in sc.
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(How is this still open?) Wow, you found a way to both be sexist and transgender-phobic at the same time, without realizing it, this is disgusting. I shouldn't have to tell anyone this, but the reason there aren't many great women SCII players is not that they're inferior, but that there are so few of them that they don't have many great players.
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oh my fucking god those threads are getting more retarded every day
comparing a COMPUTER GAME with real sports
also germany ESL pro series counter strike 1.6 allowed women teams to play vs normal male teams, whats the problem?
if the tournament org. says yes she can play then she can play
why do i even post in such threads -.-
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"girls will probably never be as good as male progamers. " <- This is an pretty offensive attitude. I suggest you question yourself on why you don't think women can equal men in a mental activity.
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So according to you since scarlett is, in reality, a dude, she has an advantage over the females playing in iron cup?
How? big, masculine fingers for clicking faster?
The iron cups primary goal is to create an environment in which female sc2 players can compete with each other and feel comfortable. The players dont have a problem with scarlett, the organization doesnt, yet some virgin comes in waving his giant flag of ignorance and screaming about injustice.
Next time, maybe step back and ask "does this make me seem like a misogynistic piece of shit?" before posting?
Seriously though, do everyone on this forum a favor and never login again.
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On April 30 2012 03:17 PsychoPriest wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 03:15 Zach426 wrote:
I think you're an idoit to think male gamers are better at starcraft than female gamers. The only reason you don't hear about more female pro players is because the scene is dominated by male players plain and simple thx for calling me idiot, because i think so, and its not only in esports. Its natural that girls are much better in one thing, man in others. Tell me, same thing in chess? Thats why man were ALWAYS better in chess? Because im an idiot? -.-
There are less female chess players than male chess players. Which didn't stop some female chess players to achieve Grandmaster level (which is a much bigger deal in chess than it is in Starcraft). It's a quantity problem, not a quality one.
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Yay transphobia. This thread is great! Protop: if you're not sure what it was that you said that was offensive it's somewhere in here
As everyone knows, Scarlett is a man, who feels like a woman, and I'm 100% ok with that. Sometimes life is like that, you was born a female in male body. BUT there is one problem in my opinion.
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Wow, you all fighting with me calling me sexist etc etc BY CALLING ME IDIOT and tells me to shut up forever. Well good to you
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You are born with female or male genetalia, that is what determines your gender. Not whatever the hell is going on in your brain.
I completely agree with the OP, no way in hell should HE be allowed into female tournaments weather he believes he is female or not.
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On April 30 2012 03:20 Cybren wrote:Yay transphobia. This thread is great! Protop: if you're not sure what it was that you said that was offensive it's somewhere in here Show nested quote +As everyone knows, Scarlett is a man, who feels like a woman, and I'm 100% ok with that. Sometimes life is like that, you was born a female in male body. BUT there is one problem in my opinion.
Though he phrased it kinda bluntly he's right. Scarlett's sex is male, but her gender is female. That's how it works.
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There's been an extended discussion covering the difference between gender (societal) and sex (biological) in the SotG thread, for information regarding this topic see SotG ~page 2140.
The discussion has been had, in multiple places, this thread is redundant.
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...why does this always come up?
She is a woman, end of story. Now please close this terrible thread >.>
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