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RowdierBob
Australia13004 Posts
Tier 1 = 3 points Tier 2 = 2 points Tier 3 = 1 point I'd argue your core (three best cogs) needs to have at least 6 points to be a contenders: Heat = 8 points, contender OKC = 7 points, contender Lakers = 7 points, contender Hawks = 4 points, not contender  Grizz = 5 points (4 cogs too!), but no contender (but they're close!) Bobcats = 0 points, not contender Seems to be quite foolproof to me.  | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Is this sarcastic? I was mostly speaking as a Hornets fan who was very angry for what was shipping off a top 10 player in the league. Edit: Here, let me put it this way. I'm really, really bitter and dismissive of how you and Lakers fans feel screwed over because you didn't get to screw MY team over. It really disgusts me. I know you're talking about precedence and ends justify the means and some fairly reasonable stuff but what you wanted was for your franchise, that has won five fucking titles in recent memory, to take a wet steamy dump on my franchise that has never even sniffed a title because it would uphold some morally ambiguous integrity of the league. It really does irritate me that a Lakers fan can sit there and be mad at the whole ordeal when your franchise was consciously fucking mine and that's OK because Lakers have more fans. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
PS: Nice cog formula (not getting into your actual tier of players)  edit2: and you all can say oh those Laker fans...but it has nothing to do with region as much as sample size. We get to see Gasol on a regular basis, and it is rare to see him not make the right play, which is what stands out the most to me. Whether it makes him look like a pussy or tentative or like he is old and can't battle anymore(this season and him playing away from the rim for bynum), he usually makes the right play... and he can score from both hands from both sides of the basket with his back to the rim. Sheesh that is rare now...I really don't want him to leave unless necessary lol. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/@spencerhawes00 | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
Davis is THE best of course. | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
On June 29 2012 01:03 a176 wrote: spencer hawes getting destroyed on twitter for anti obama tweet https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/@spencerhawes00 Eh, that's his opinion. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On June 29 2012 01:50 Holcan wrote: how isn't garnett tier one? did you not watch him play the best defense in the league outside of lebron james, igoudala and tyson chandler?? media still has you thinking a top 10 player is "old" although he was in his best form since 2008 I guess. Are we really arguing about a totally fucking made up ranking system based on 1, 2 or 3? New thread low. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On June 29 2012 02:00 TwoToneTerran wrote: He's quite good, he just isn't as good as the ten listed players plus a few others, probably. Playing at your best 10% of the year is not a top 10 player. he is better than MOST of those players, actually. and you clearly didn't pay much attention to garnett if you thought he only performed in the playoffs. he was much better than williams, howard and rose this year, like, so much better it wasn't even close. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
KG can't give you 40 plus minutes anymore because of his old age and injuries. It took him hours before a game to warm his knees up and had huge ice packs on his knees whenever he sat down. 30 minutes a game in the playoffs won't carry you to a championship if you're the tier 1 player. Meanwhile all the tier 1 guys are giving 42-44 minutes a game at the highest level in the finals. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On June 28 2012 21:05 TwoToneTerran wrote: Is this sarcastic? I was mostly speaking as a Hornets fan who was very angry for what was shipping off a top 10 player in the league. Edit: Here, let me put it this way. I'm really, really bitter and dismissive of how you and Lakers fans feel screwed over because you didn't get to screw MY team over. It really disgusts me. I know you're talking about precedence and ends justify the means and some fairly reasonable stuff but what you wanted was for your franchise, that has won five fucking titles in recent memory, to take a wet steamy dump on my franchise that has never even sniffed a title because it would uphold some morally ambiguous integrity of the league. It really does irritate me that a Lakers fan can sit there and be mad at the whole ordeal when your franchise was consciously fucking mine and that's OK because Lakers have more fans. The Lakers did get screwed over, and it was by Stern and the rest of the owners for pulling off something that should never have been allowed and which they had taken steps to prevent (but conveniently ignored). The move caused them to lose the 6th man of the year and crippled a team that should have been contending but for a league run by a corrupt SOB bending to the pressure of the rest of the owners who were bitter that the Lakers have been so consistently good over the years. There's nothing ambiguous about Stern and the other owners violating the very rules they had set in place and agreed to just because they were bitter about the Lakers pulling off something the rest of them couldn't. It was wrong in every way possible plain and simple. If you want proof, even Bill Simmons, a notorious Lakers hater, was blown away by what Stern and the owners did and called them out for the bullshit move it was. If you're pissed about that potential trade and what it would have meant for your team, then blame the people from the Hornets organization and Chris Paul that put it in a terrible position. The Lakers didn't deprive the Hornets of any attractive assets apart from CP3, the Lakers didn't fail to put together a team that CP3 would want to be a part of anymore, the Lakers didn't make CP3 want to leave the Hornets organization and make it so obvious that he left them with no leverage in trade negotiations, the Lakers didn't make the Hornets lose an owner and unable to find a willing buyer, the Lakers didn't make the league buy the team and put Stern in charge, the Lakers didn't make Demps choose to negotiate and accept that deal, etc. That was all the Hornets and CP3, yet I don't see anyone pointing fingers at the failed organization or the superstar who made his own "decision" to leave in a way that screwed them. What exactly did the Lakers do except what any other team in the league would have done if they could? Do you think the rest of the teams in the league aren't constantly trying to get as much as possible while giving up as little as possible? You think they aren't trying to take advantage of circumstances, leverage, etc? Don't hate on the Lakers organization simply because they're better at running their team than almost anyone. Do you really think the other teams in the league weren't trying to fleece the Clippers to get CP3? You think they wouldn't have done so if given the opportunity? Do you think the Hornets would not have fleeced another team if they had the opportunity? You need to accept the reality that every team is trying to get the best deals possible, the Lakers are very good at doing so which is why they've had so much success, and the Hornets were very bad at it. If Hornets fans are bitter about not having championships, then point your finger to the people who make the decisions for the team. Lakers fans are pissed because they had a great team that was hamstrung by Stern and the rest of the league via one of the shadiest moves in the history of the NBA. They had put in the work to build up a team that should have been contending for a ring, playing by the rules and being savvy with their team management. Why shouldn't a team and fanbase expect more rings when the team made the moves that put them in a position to do so? The team put in the work and deserved to enjoy the fruits of that labor just like the Thunder and Heat did this year. The fact that the Lakers have had so much success doesn't make them less deserving of more success in the future. That's exactly the type of bitter, sour grapes bullshit reasoning that led people to look the other way when Stern rescinded the trade and violated every tenet of a competitive sports league in doing so. The fact is that the Hornets had put themselves in a terrible position and the Lakers were simply doing the smart thing that the rest of the league was trying to do by taking advantage of that position to improve their own team. The Lakers weren't asking for favors from anyone, they were making the right moves under the terms set by the league and playing by the rules. The Lakers weren't fucking over the Hornets, their management and CP3 had done so and the Lakers were simply trying to make the best out of the mess like everyone else was. If you're going to be bitter, then direct it at the right people. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On June 29 2012 02:22 Tien wrote: No he isn't. KG can't give you 40 plus minutes anymore because of his old age and injuries. It took him hours before a game to warm his knees up and had huge ice packs on his knees whenever he sat down. 30 minutes a game in the playoffs won't carry you to a championship if you're the tier 1 player. Meanwhile all the tier 1 guys are giving 42-44 minutes a game at the highest level in the finals. no they aren't, most of those tier one guys can't even make the finals....anyways, ill takr 30 minutes from someone who tries vs 40 minutes from williams and howard. aldo garnett was playing 37 minutes in the playoffs, that's quite enough. | ||
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Leyra
United States1222 Posts
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On June 29 2012 02:48 Holcan wrote: no they aren't, most of those tier one guys can't even make the finals....anyways, ill takr 30 minutes from someone who tries vs 40 minutes from williams and howard. aldo garnett was playing 37 minutes in the playoffs, that's quite enough. 1-Lebron James 2-Dwight Howard 3-Dwayne Wade 4-Chris Paul 5-Dirk Nowitzki 6-Kevin Durant 7-Kobe Bryant 8-Derrick Rose 9-Deron Williams 10-Kevin Love 6/10 of these guys made in the finals in last 4 years. What are you talking about? Derrick Rose got manhandled by LeBron, doesn't take anything away from him. Deron Williams / Kevin Love / Chris Paul all play for shit teams. All these guys > KG. Not even close. Down the stretch when Boston was worn out, where was KG? He was worn out with the rest of them. All these young guns can play 44+ minutes, and that's what you absolutely need in the ECF / Finals. | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
 I know kg played better than most of those players, but you keep regurgitating the rhetoric spat out by pundits, and ill just watch the games and judge by myself.what about the year kg won the chip, he only played 38 minutes, does that mean it detracts from his chip? nope. he is putting in his average minutes since coming to boston, but apparebtly he is old and tired? cmon man, stop talking aboyt stuff that is irrelevant like minutes played. ad if garnett isn't a once in a lifetime talent. who is still contributing on near his career averages. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37017 Posts
How come even though the playoffs are over, I still see pages and pages of discussion going on? | ||
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Holcan
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