EPTTrayvon Martin 17yo Kid Shot to Death - Page 13
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This is a sensitive and complex issue, please do not make comments without first reading the facts, which are cataloged in the OP. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23732 Posts
On March 22 2012 12:05 Bigtony wrote: I don't want to ignore these things, but the TeamLiquid general forum is a terrible place to do it. A very limited number of people are saying anything rational, the rest -> refer to my post. There are plenty of rational folk here, the problem is a tendency for people to read the thread title/OP and come in and post their immediate thoughts without engaging with people who've already responded. Get this kind of annoying circular debate where the same points keep coming up over and over again. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-03-20/justice/justice_florida-teen-shooting_1_martin-family-cell-phone-benjamin-crump?_s=PM:JUSTICE when grand juries are used in florida (capital crimes): http://www.south-floridaattorney.com/criminal-defense/when-is-a-grand-jury-trial-necessary-in-florida/ | ||
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Lockitupv2
United States496 Posts
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On March 22 2012 12:08 Wombat_NI wrote: There are plenty of rational folk here, the problem is a tendency for people to read the thread title/OP and come in and post their immediate thoughts without engaging with people who've already responded. Get this kind of annoying circular debate where the same points keep coming up over and over again. It's also a lot less tempting to reply to someone who just posts an excellent point rather than the two people between him who are spewing garbage. Thus the attention is diverted a bit to the arguing posts going back and forth. | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:02 HwangjaeTerran wrote: So, this guy runs after a kid because he looks suspicious and shoots him, then says it's self-defence? You'd think an armed and twice as big guy could defend himself from an unarmed kid without killing anyone. If he goes free I expect a whole bunch of people to suddenly find him suspicious. Also, that law is pretty stupid. I'm sure people defended themselves just as eagerly before it, so where does the rise in "justified homicides" come from? Yeah, I think the Stand Your Ground law can be used against Zimmerman in the same way he used it against the black victim here. Anyone would find him suspicious now, what's to stop someone else from giving him an eye for an eye under the same circumstances? | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On March 22 2012 09:15 Sniperdadx wrote: It's sad to see people jump to conclusions. I think many people forget that in this country you're innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around. Self-defense is an affirmative defense. He bears the burden of proof. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
Poor kid. Poor family. Get him the injection. Fla death penalty style. FBI will get this guy. Come on plz^^ wtf police... | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 22 2012 12:17 Mindcrime wrote: Self-defense is an affirmative defense. He bears the burden of proof. you have to prove murder before he has to prove self-defense. | ||
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HardlyNever
United States1258 Posts
On March 22 2012 12:11 Lockitupv2 wrote: I dont understand why race is a factor. Shouldnt the focus be on whether or not he was acting in self defense? What if it was white on white or black on black, shouldnt it still be investigated? Because if race is a provable issue, it is a hate crime, and is a federal offense that can be tried outside of Florida jurisdiction. | ||
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knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
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Lockitupv2
United States496 Posts
On March 22 2012 12:19 HardlyNever wrote: Because if race is a provable issue, it is a hate crime, and is a federal offense that can be tried outside of Florida jurisdiction. But why should a hate crime murder be considered worse the 'normal' murder? | ||
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
 On March 22 2012 12:21 Lockitupv2 wrote: But why should a hate crime murder be considered worse the 'normal' murder? Well, if the trial happens on a federal level, perhaps the Stand Your Ground stuff wouldn't take effect, and something else would happen other than letting a man walk free after he stalked and killed another man. Edit: Also, how does it make sense for Zimmerman to follow Martin after Zimmerman described him as "suspicious?" Who follows suspicious people into back alleys? Sociopaths? That's kind of weird. Why doesn't someone ask him why he followed after Martin and carried his gun with him? Ugh, this is so disgusting. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On March 22 2012 12:21 Lockitupv2 wrote: But why should a hate crime murder be considered worse the 'normal' murder? I don't think it should be, but it certainly is looked at differently in law. | ||
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iiGreetings
Canada563 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On March 22 2012 12:18 dAPhREAk wrote: you have to prove murder before he has to prove self-defense. If he admits to pulling the trigger and ending Trayvon Martin's life... no. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 22 2012 12:26 Mindcrime wrote: If he admits to pulling the trigger and ending a life... no. but he isnt admitting to anything; he is refusing to make a statement. so, the DA has to prove its case before he is obligated to do anything, including supporting his self defense claim. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
No witness examinations after a defenseless kid gets shot. Stay classy police. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On March 22 2012 12:29 Leporello wrote: No autopsy. No witness examinations after a defenseless kid gets shot. Stay classy police. This struck me as odd too. Not sure if its an issue of corruption or incompetence. | ||
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