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Dimon87
218 Posts
Leave the guy alone and let the people that actually are involved in this deal with it. I also think the lying (if he is) is alot worse then nerdraging in a ladder game, saying stuff like "nigger" in a heated moment does in no way make one a racist. Just calm down damn it! | ||
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:01 CygNus X-1 wrote: I wonder how EG Masters cup chat is going to be tonight .... Yeah, i was just thinking about what it meant for EGMC. I guess we'll find out soon. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:55 Dental Floss wrote: Peope in this thread for real think racism doesn't exist in America. I found that study http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873 Black names 50% less likely to get calls back on job applications than white names. Study straight from Harvard. Well whether the thread, or specifically the ones who are making a big deal out of the racist, want to believe it or not - everyone is racist to a certain degree and there are no exceptions. But there is a difference between being racist because of human nature and being evil, malicious, and defamatory. Orb definitely walks on the border line with his comments and should be punished. But I don't think hes an evil guy that wants to bring down black people. Given the context he just seems to be raging and made an idiotic decision in his way of expression. | ||
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ETisME
12865 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:58 chestnutcc wrote: Agreed. The lack of sensitivity is surprising. Point is not whether he's racist or not, its that using such a word against a stranger is not socially acceptable where he comes from. Can only agree with the conclusion that the majority of TL's population comprises of immature white boys. Agreed again. Remember seeing a lot of white knights there. Context is little different though. That was blatantly disgusting, this was blatantly inappropriate (since the targeted party does not seem to have taken public offense). Either way, people who empathize with the former must empathize with the latter. I don't get why you would think calling on an unknown person with racist terms is worse than calling on a person he knows. I won't get/feel insulted if you call me faggot and a nigga because I simply cannot relate myself to both since I am straight and I am yellow. If you call me yellow ching chong king po chicken then I might feel somewhat insulted I guess (though personally I also find it a bit funny because the whole thing doesn't even make much sense) | ||
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MWY
Germany284 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:03 cameler wrote: Well, I know one thing. A white man can NOT use the N word in public.... anywhere... and doing it behind the safety of your computer monitor makes you look like a complete pussy, mr.orb. This is the sign of a real weak minded person. Thats racist. | ||
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DR.Ham
Netherlands621 Posts
I liked orb's casting, but this sort of behavior is childish and unacceptable. I'm looking forward to hear what he has to say on the matter, but I can't really see how he can defend this. | ||
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JeanLuc
Canada377 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:55 VanGarde wrote: See it is when you start to try and rationalize which words are okay and not with social circumstance and even historical circumstance that it becomes evident how futile it is to do this. One could easily argue that women are one of the most oppressed groups in the world today, in large parts of the world women have little or no rights at all. Should not bitch or cunt be ranked higher on the list then? No because this list is arbitrary and a just a haphazard result of social interaction. But you are not going to reach me arguing over why certain words should "not be uttered" because I would have to ascribe to the belief that we should monitor and control language based on offensiveness. I don't believe that it matters in the slightest if a group has been oppressed historically. Saying nigger is inconsequential to this. If someone on the other hand goes out and argues that black people should be enslaved again, yeah then there you have something to be offended about. I actually find it dangerous that people can't draw distinctions between these two. I also uphold the freedom of speech-- but I also uphold the freedom of the public to say "we don't like this public figure acting like a complete jackass". No one is saying orb should suffer any legal penalty lol. But the reputation of himself and EG is tarnished in the eyes of a lot of people by these comments. Are you saying there is nothing he could say that would make you disinclined to listen to his casts in the future? Personally I never found his casting style that entertaining or enlightening and this basically seals the deal for me (in terms of ignoring any content he would put forth). | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:00 NachiMe wrote: I'm asian and I really don't give a fuck about racism that happened to "my" race. And yes, there has been a lot of it. What's done is done, most people don't think like this now (or are trying to be politcally correct) so step down your horse. *you* did not suffer hundreds of years of brutality. Your ancestors did. Grow up. To be honest I would love to be black instead of asian because of all the affirmitive action that goes on here. Easy ivy league if I was black, hard ivy league if I was asian. Wow you say you don't care about racism affecting your race, but yet you say "Easy Ivy League if I was black, and hard ivy league if I was Asian." Really now? As a black guy with a Korean wife I know she cares about racism affecting her. She still has a hard time trusting Japanese people because of what happened a LONG TIME AGO in the past. For example, the raping/pillaging of Korea and etc. So to say that it's stupid that people care about what happened in their past is kind of ignorant if you ask me... | ||
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Chessz
United States644 Posts
1) whether or not orb is actually racist 2) how "offensive" it is to say racist words on a "personal" stream 3) how the semantics of the word has changed, or how other streamers/casters have used bad words What this is about, why the community has had such a response: 1) race issues are still precedent in today's society and resonate with people. It's pretty clear language is still a very powerful tool 2) professionalism of our community members and their obligation to represent the community responsibly 3) How our gaming culture is evolving into something where our trash talking is more civilized and doesn't use racial or homophobic slurs to strengthen attacks. When a person in the public eye does it, it matters. Whether or not people agree with that (or should agree) is a big hurdle. 4) Ultimately, the recourse is EG's and EG's alone. | ||
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:03 holycrapitsTony wrote: Alert: An anonymous Asian man doesn't care about what happened to his ancestors, it's now okay to mock and insult all asians. I'll be sure to find a Jew that doesn't care about the Holocaust so that can be okay too. Thank god somebody gets it... | ||
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jnsjr
United States461 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:59 eits wrote: the fact you think you can tell me how I feel or should of reacted to someones response lets me know enough about your intelligence already Yes, the fact that I took your strong words to be a reflection of how you really felt when responding to an obvious troll is a great indicator of MY level of intelligence. /sarcasm I'm not telling you how you should have reacted, just commenting on your reaction to a troll. If you don't like it, don't post on a forum. | ||
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hordala
61 Posts
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Doomwish
438 Posts
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:07 Chessz wrote: List of things this whole fiasco is NOT actually about, which nobody really gives a fuck about: 1) whether or not orb is actually racist 2) how "offensive" it is to say racist words on a "personal" stream 3) how the semantics of the word has changed, or how other streamers/casters have used bad words What this is about, why the community has had such a response: 1) race issues are still precedent in today's society and resonate with people. It's pretty clear language is still a very powerful tool 2) professionalism of our community members and their obligation to represent the community responsibly 3) How our gaming culture is evolving into something where our trash talking is more civilized and doesn't use racial or homophobic slurs to strengthen attacks. When a person in the public eye does it, it matters. Whether or not people agree with that (or should agree) is a big hurdle. 4) Ultimately, the recourse is EG's and EG's alone. This is spot on. People who are saying they don't understand why so many posters are angry aren't understanding the real topic being discussed. Its more than one person. Its about a whole community. | ||
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cameler
Canada99 Posts
Well, we have laws to decide about that, don't we? We are the kings of our own homes, but in the public sphere, you can't spew hatred.... in Canada anyways. | ||
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AysiktiriX
358 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:29 mapleleafs791 wrote: Edit: I think alot of people are overreacting, but alot of people are also under reacting QFT. It's really disappointing to realize there's people on this board that equate the use of the word nigger in a juvenile-nerd rage to it's use in light ethnic humor, rap music, or stand-up comedy. It's almost as if most of the people on in this community have never even hung out with black person or had a gay friend. The obliviousness of some people is surprising. | ||
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Esorydal
Poland42 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:08 hordala wrote: I like how some people are saying "why does this matter" ITS a CASTER ACTING PROFESSIONAL you dont go around calling people niggers when you lose thats even lower then ratzdeezer status. This is so much worse then Katsu with playhem its a white kid in america calling people NIGGERS and he wants to be taken seriously is this a joke? Look at his stream TAG IT SAYS ABSOLUTE JUDGMENT LOL come on come on..... so true this is not proffesional at all im frankly shocked that EG even hired someone like this..... | ||
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EngrishTeacher
Canada1109 Posts
I've BM'ed using that word before, although I'm not a racist in any means. It's just part of the NA culture, TONS of people do it. Even if he is a racist, so what? For EG that obviously hurts their reputation, but the majority of the viewers/players couldn't give less of a fuck. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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