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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
March 09 2012 01:58 GMT
#1301
I had no idea who Orb was so I had to look him up on Liquipedia. Im however still clueless why this is such a big deal, sure being BM and rage is silly and all but still...
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
chestnutcc
Profile Joined July 2011
India429 Posts
March 09 2012 01:58 GMT
#1302
On March 09 2012 09:29 mapleleafs791 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:07 Bayyne wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:06 Orracle wrote:
I don't watch his stream, nor do I like him, but I don't give a shit what some one says. Every other game on battle.net, regardless of win or lose, a person generally PMs me with something such as "ez u faget". This is no different. If you don't like his language, don't watch his stream, but making drama threads like this is uncalled for. No different than Jessica calling out Dragon publicly.


Brother, you and I are in the small minority. I agree with you, but I think this is too late.


This is the truth but Orb isnt some random guy anymore. Im black and while i am not offended to the point of raging i have lost some respect for him.

1. If you make racist jokes (which i do) you do them in private with people that actually know your not racist.

2. Calling someone a jew for being cheap or black for listing to hip hop a shitton is different than calling someone a stupid kike / fucking nigger when your pissed at them and are trying to be intentionally demeaning. That is inexcusable.

3. If you dont understand the context of black people using the n word around each other then get out. I NEVER use the n word and i dont like it, but a black person saying IS different from another race saying it for a reason. Trying to justify its use by saying i hear black comics and rap artists saying it is stupid. Iv heard white comics make black jokes and they were well received context and reputation matter ALOT.

If he said "lol my friends so jewish he didnt pick up the tab" its poking fun at racial stereotypes in the right environment.
If he said "fucking jewish piece of shit nigger strat" (which is pretty much what he did) its much different.

As little as this actually offends me, reading the responses/rationale of people in this thread leads my to one conclusion.
TL is full of young white kids that are either to immature to understand whats going on or people really take racism too lightly.

I make gay/black/asian jokes and i dont think someone should be crucified for a private statement, but a gay/black/asian jokes (even if it is stereotype based) is much different than calling someone a fucking nigger/jew/faggot for no reason other than to demean/offend them. And when you represent the community shit like this doesn't fly.

I still dont think he is racist but he has lost alot of my respect if he needs to resort to racial slurs every time he loses. It seems pretty immature. Destiny is the same for me and since i dont watch either of their streams i dont really care since i can ignore it. But he represents SC2 and EG so i do have a problem with it.

TLDR: Race shit is always touchy, if you a public figure you cant EVER do it without expecting backlash so be careful. I dont think orb and destiny are racist but i dont have alot of respect for people that try to defend using racial/sexual slurs to crush someone spirits. Race jokes im ok with but calling someone a fucking (insert racial term) when your mad at them is ridiculous. Calling someone a jew for begin cheap is alot different than calling someone a piece of shit kike because your pissed at them. Additionally, sponsors care so you cant just run your mouth when your're attached to a company

Edit: I think alot of people are overreacting, but alot of people are also under reacting


Agreed. The lack of sensitivity is surprising. Point is not whether he's racist or not, its that using such a word against a stranger is not socially acceptable where he comes from. Can only agree with the conclusion that the majority of TL's population comprises of immature white boys.

On March 09 2012 10:07 Cel.erity wrote:
I like how I jump in the FGC sexism thread, half of the posts are slamming the FGC saying that sexism is intolerable and the FGC is so bad, so uncivilized, FGC should take lessons from the SC2 scene etc. etc. Then I jump in this thread, and the majority of people are saying racist slurs are completely normal, business as usual. Stay classy, guys. This is a nice lesson for me of what our culture has come to.


Agreed again. Remember seeing a lot of white knights there. Context is little different though. That was blatantly disgusting, this was blatantly inappropriate (since the targeted party does not seem to have taken public offense). Either way, people who empathize with the former must empathize with the latter.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 09 2012 01:58 GMT
#1303
Learning & fun:

slan·der/ˈslandər/
Noun:
The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.

li·bel/ˈlībəl/
Noun:
A published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
OnCoke
Profile Joined March 2007
Romania49 Posts
March 09 2012 01:59 GMT
#1304
It's times like these (and by that I'm actually referring to some of the replies from this thread) that I wish SC2 never came, although I stayed awake until 5-6 in the morning on the day of the announcement from Korea.

As long as you'r on your own, you can say almost whatever you wish and it won't be such a big deal. As soon as you associate yourself with a Sponsor/Organisation, you need to act (a lot) more professional. From that point on, it doesn't matter if you are laddering on your own free time, sunbathing, riding a bike, etc.

About each and every action you take is a reflection of your personality and who you are. If you can keep multiple personalities, one in your private life, hidden from the public, and another to show for everyone else, good for you. Did not seem to work in this case though, and it seems that the 'dark' personality was "exposed". Also, it doesn't looks like this was a joke and it doesn't seems like he's sorry or something. Saying that "it's the internets" as a sort of excuse or justification, doesn't work.

In the end, the Sponsor/Organisation has to decide if they want to support such behaviour or not. Respect is not earned that easy but it can be lost quite fast, as bad stuff tends to have a greater impact and is remembered for longer than nice things.
ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 01:59:16
March 09 2012 01:59 GMT
#1305
On March 09 2012 10:56 oNouR wrote:
who the fuck cares, i didnt even know who this orb person was till this stupid thread..


EG's sponsors and management care. You not knowing who orb is really doesn't matter.
DR.Ham
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands621 Posts
March 09 2012 01:59 GMT
#1306
On March 09 2012 10:40 Onlinejaguar wrote:
He got a bit mad while laddering, who cares honestly? People need to grow up and not care about this shit.


So, he gets so angry from losing a couple of games, that he needs to start being all racist and homophobic, then compounds that by lying to his employers and making them look foolish, and you think everyone else needs to grow up?

Your irony is not lost on me sir, well played.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
March 09 2012 01:59 GMT
#1307
lol at people calling this is nothing and double standard.

You will see double standard in every aspect in this world. Why is it normal for a thug or kid to say "fuk u", but not okay for a politician or a priest to say that word? Why is it okay for people to be naked in Europe's beaches, but not in Asia's beaches?

Every word in dictionary has its own standing. N or F word has negative standing, but what determines is not the word itself, but the speakers' social standing. Saying the word is not illegal, but one's social standing will be greatly affected if you say that word in front of society. A priest's social standing does not allow him to say F word, by saying F word, the priest essentially lowers his status to the likes that get used to saying or hearing F word. By allowing people to be naked on the beaches, Asian countries essentially put their culture image to the level of Western.

Same case here. People like IdrA already have bad image, their social status are not the same as Sheth, WhiteRa, Grubby,... That's why he has a lot of haters, because there're many people who don't like and look down his personality status. IdrA established and placed himself a social standing where it't acceptable for him to say F word. On the other hand, Orb established himself an image as a high-class artist-y casters (from his Korean Weekly, posts in forums), so by saying N word over and over again, he broke his classy image, of course some people are gonna rage, because they feel his personality that he established himself until now is fake.

That being said, life goes on. People will move on, they're gonna stop raging, but inside each person, Orb's image has changed, and for the worse. Next time he said the N word again, people will not gonna make a big deal out of it again, because that Orb is not the high-classy artisty Orb, but the white skinny used-to-say-N-word Orb.
mrafaeldie12
Profile Joined July 2011
Brazil537 Posts
March 09 2012 01:59 GMT
#1308
last week: katu
This week :orb
next week: you?**


**chill
"..it all comes thumbling down thumbling down thumblin down"
eits
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States210 Posts
March 09 2012 01:59 GMT
#1309
On March 09 2012 10:55 jnsjr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:51 eits wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:41 Xann wrote:
i'm still waiting for orb's apology, the white man continues to spread their hatred and racism while black men such as myself are hurt despite the hundreds of years of brutality i've had to suffer. The white man should be ashamed


get off of high horse please

what have you actually endured? the daily, ritualistic, physical beatings your ancestors used to get? give me a break.

My family is norwegian, I don't go around cry about what the "vikings" did to my ancestors and that it deeply affects me to this day.

quit blaming everything "on the white man" and do something else about it besides blaming someone else


you got trolled...... nice to know how you really feel though!


the fact you think you can tell me how I feel or should of reacted to someones response lets me know enough about your intelligence already
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 09 2012 02:00 GMT
#1310
On March 09 2012 10:57 reincremate wrote:
This thread is hilarious. I don't understand why so many people rush to defend orb's racist, immature, unsportsmanlike and poorly typed raging and on top of that defend the fact that he tried to deny it in the face of overwhelming evidence. Incidents like this should disgrace any public figure forever.

I mean, just imagine if MC or MVP or some other progamer said stuff like "ur fucking garbage dumb nigger" to their opponents while streaming.


Wooosh.

Flew right over your head.
CygNus X-1
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada169 Posts
March 09 2012 02:00 GMT
#1311
Welp, there goes his 15 sec of fame.

Srsly though, the lying issue is whats of more concern to EG atm. Its cowardly to try to cover it up plus it gives you and your employer a bad image.
Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation: We have assumed control.
NachiMe
Profile Joined November 2011
250 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 02:01:00
March 09 2012 02:00 GMT
#1312
On March 09 2012 10:55 Xann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:49 Rorschach wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:41 Xann wrote:
i'm still waiting for orb's apology, the white man continues to spread their hatred and racism while black men such as myself are hurt despite the hundreds of years of brutality i've had to suffer. The white man should be ashamed



how old are you?
hundreds of years of brutality?
And this persecution happened to you personally?
What day and age are you living in?

lol?

Sorry but I won't let the white man sweep racism under the rug... actions have consequences, and orb should pay the consequences of his inflamatory remarks on my race.

I'm asian and I really don't give a fuck about racism that happened to "my" race. And yes, there has been a lot of it. What's done is done, most people don't think like this now (or are trying to be politcally correct) so step down your horse. *you* did not suffer hundreds of years of brutality. Your ancestors did. Grow up. To be honest I would love to be black instead of asian because of all the affirmitive action that goes on here. Easy ivy league if I was black, hard ivy league if I was asian.
CygNus X-1
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada169 Posts
March 09 2012 02:01 GMT
#1313
I wonder how EG Masters cup chat is going to be tonight ....
Attention all Planets of the Solar Federation: We have assumed control.
m1rk3
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada412 Posts
March 09 2012 02:01 GMT
#1314
solution: view his match history and see if those opponents are there, if not he's innocent. If you find someone, then guilty. But, i have watched orb stream and never have i ever hear him say nuggets. Lol, destiny is worse... don't know why orb is such a big deal
For the Dominion!
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
March 09 2012 02:02 GMT
#1315
On March 09 2012 11:00 CygNus X-1 wrote:
Welp, there goes his 15 sec of fame.

Srsly though, the lying issue is whats of more concern to EG atm. Its cowardly to try to cover it up plus it gives you and your employer a bad image.

Yeah if they don't fire him, they'll be ostracized as well.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 09 2012 02:02 GMT
#1316
How is lying worse than acting like a huge ass? I don't get people sometimes. I'd much rather be friends/associated with the liar. Unfortunately orb is both so... that's all that matters.
Deleted User 123474
Profile Joined November 2010
292 Posts
March 09 2012 02:02 GMT
#1317
On March 09 2012 09:53 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 09:47 boxturtle wrote:
On March 09 2012 09:35 VirgilSC2 wrote:
It's OK guys,

If orb does get fired from EG, I'll see if he's interested in working for me at the EWM, he can co-cast with Katu that way.


Alright, I'm not raising my pitchfork in anger, but you'll understand when a couple other minorities and I decide to send some e-mails to your sponsors, right? They deserve to know if someone they're supporting wants to hire a racist just because he's been fired for being, well, a racist. Some people generally don't don't feel it good practice to hire people who are known to use racial slurs simply because they're angry.

I'm willing to let this go as long as this Jake Skarlew guy apologizes and then follows through and stops being a racist, but if he's going to keep denying it, and you're going to defend him and just give him a job, you're just supporting this.


....note to self: Don't make jokes on the internet.


This is a relevant note to self. Some people think that they can say something sarcastic on the internet, not actually say they are being sarcastic, and have it be interpreted correctly. Note to all who have done this: the internet cannot read your wry smile or accompanying laugh!

On the topic of orb, it looks bad, but honestly, if I met him on ladder I would just mute him or just laugh out loud. BM can be funny, and orb's BM actually looks funny. Aside from the whole "nigger" thing, which is despicable, but minor.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
March 09 2012 02:02 GMT
#1318
On March 09 2012 11:01 CygNus X-1 wrote:
I wonder how EG Masters cup chat is going to be tonight ....


Since Incontrol and Machine know how to be professional they probably won't mention it. If they do it will be in the context of "EG will release a statment sometime, but lets watch these games."
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
holycrapitsTony
Profile Joined October 2010
United States330 Posts
March 09 2012 02:03 GMT
#1319
On March 09 2012 11:00 NachiMe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:55 Xann wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:49 Rorschach wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:41 Xann wrote:
i'm still waiting for orb's apology, the white man continues to spread their hatred and racism while black men such as myself are hurt despite the hundreds of years of brutality i've had to suffer. The white man should be ashamed



how old are you?
hundreds of years of brutality?
And this persecution happened to you personally?
What day and age are you living in?

lol?

Sorry but I won't let the white man sweep racism under the rug... actions have consequences, and orb should pay the consequences of his inflamatory remarks on my race.

I'm asian and I really don't give a fuck about racism that happened to "my" race. And yes, there has been a lot of it. What's done is done, most people don't think like this now (or are trying to be politcally correct) so step down your horse. *you* did not suffer hundreds of years of brutality. Your ancestors did. Grow up. To be honest I would love to be black instead of asian because of all the affirmitive action that goes on here. Easy ivy league if I was black, hard ivy league if I was asian.


Alert: An anonymous Asian man doesn't care about what happened to his ancestors, it's now okay to mock and insult all asians.

I'll be sure to find a Jew that doesn't care about the Holocaust so that can be okay too.
NYE: when the match loading screen comes up "zvz" it's like finding out you have hiv
cameler
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada99 Posts
March 09 2012 02:03 GMT
#1320
Well, I know one thing.

A white man can NOT use the N word in public.... anywhere... and doing it behind the safety of your computer monitor makes you look like a complete pussy, mr.orb.

This is the sign of a real weak minded person.
Everyday I thank God I escaped from the Starcraft universe when I did. Saved so many hours of my life.
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