EPTOrb, racist remarks on ladder and personal stream - Page 66
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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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chestnutcc
India429 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:29 mapleleafs791 wrote: This is the truth but Orb isnt some random guy anymore. Im black and while i am not offended to the point of raging i have lost some respect for him. 1. If you make racist jokes (which i do) you do them in private with people that actually know your not racist. 2. Calling someone a jew for being cheap or black for listing to hip hop a shitton is different than calling someone a stupid kike / fucking nigger when your pissed at them and are trying to be intentionally demeaning. That is inexcusable. 3. If you dont understand the context of black people using the n word around each other then get out. I NEVER use the n word and i dont like it, but a black person saying IS different from another race saying it for a reason. Trying to justify its use by saying i hear black comics and rap artists saying it is stupid. Iv heard white comics make black jokes and they were well received context and reputation matter ALOT. If he said "lol my friends so jewish he didnt pick up the tab" its poking fun at racial stereotypes in the right environment. If he said "fucking jewish piece of shit nigger strat" (which is pretty much what he did) its much different. As little as this actually offends me, reading the responses/rationale of people in this thread leads my to one conclusion. TL is full of young white kids that are either to immature to understand whats going on or people really take racism too lightly. I make gay/black/asian jokes and i dont think someone should be crucified for a private statement, but a gay/black/asian jokes (even if it is stereotype based) is much different than calling someone a fucking nigger/jew/faggot for no reason other than to demean/offend them. And when you represent the community shit like this doesn't fly. I still dont think he is racist but he has lost alot of my respect if he needs to resort to racial slurs every time he loses. It seems pretty immature. Destiny is the same for me and since i dont watch either of their streams i dont really care since i can ignore it. But he represents SC2 and EG so i do have a problem with it. TLDR: Race shit is always touchy, if you a public figure you cant EVER do it without expecting backlash so be careful. I dont think orb and destiny are racist but i dont have alot of respect for people that try to defend using racial/sexual slurs to crush someone spirits. Race jokes im ok with but calling someone a fucking (insert racial term) when your mad at them is ridiculous. Calling someone a jew for begin cheap is alot different than calling someone a piece of shit kike because your pissed at them. Additionally, sponsors care so you cant just run your mouth when your're attached to a company Edit: I think alot of people are overreacting, but alot of people are also under reacting Agreed. The lack of sensitivity is surprising. Point is not whether he's racist or not, its that using such a word against a stranger is not socially acceptable where he comes from. Can only agree with the conclusion that the majority of TL's population comprises of immature white boys. On March 09 2012 10:07 Cel.erity wrote: I like how I jump in the FGC sexism thread, half of the posts are slamming the FGC saying that sexism is intolerable and the FGC is so bad, so uncivilized, FGC should take lessons from the SC2 scene etc. etc. Then I jump in this thread, and the majority of people are saying racist slurs are completely normal, business as usual. Stay classy, guys. This is a nice lesson for me of what our culture has come to. Agreed again. Remember seeing a lot of white knights there. Context is little different though. That was blatantly disgusting, this was blatantly inappropriate (since the targeted party does not seem to have taken public offense). Either way, people who empathize with the former must empathize with the latter. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
slan·der/ˈslandər/ Noun: The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation. li·bel/ˈlībəl/ Noun: A published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation. | ||
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OnCoke
Romania49 Posts
As long as you'r on your own, you can say almost whatever you wish and it won't be such a big deal. As soon as you associate yourself with a Sponsor/Organisation, you need to act (a lot) more professional. From that point on, it doesn't matter if you are laddering on your own free time, sunbathing, riding a bike, etc. About each and every action you take is a reflection of your personality and who you are. If you can keep multiple personalities, one in your private life, hidden from the public, and another to show for everyone else, good for you. Did not seem to work in this case though, and it seems that the 'dark' personality was "exposed". Also, it doesn't looks like this was a joke and it doesn't seems like he's sorry or something. Saying that "it's the internets" as a sort of excuse or justification, doesn't work. In the end, the Sponsor/Organisation has to decide if they want to support such behaviour or not. Respect is not earned that easy but it can be lost quite fast, as bad stuff tends to have a greater impact and is remembered for longer than nice things. | ||
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ReturnStroke
United States801 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:56 oNouR wrote: who the fuck cares, i didnt even know who this orb person was till this stupid thread.. EG's sponsors and management care. You not knowing who orb is really doesn't matter. | ||
DR.Ham
Netherlands621 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:40 Onlinejaguar wrote: He got a bit mad while laddering, who cares honestly? People need to grow up and not care about this shit. So, he gets so angry from losing a couple of games, that he needs to start being all racist and homophobic, then compounds that by lying to his employers and making them look foolish, and you think everyone else needs to grow up? Your irony is not lost on me sir, well played. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
You will see double standard in every aspect in this world. Why is it normal for a thug or kid to say "fuk u", but not okay for a politician or a priest to say that word? Why is it okay for people to be naked in Europe's beaches, but not in Asia's beaches? Every word in dictionary has its own standing. N or F word has negative standing, but what determines is not the word itself, but the speakers' social standing. Saying the word is not illegal, but one's social standing will be greatly affected if you say that word in front of society. A priest's social standing does not allow him to say F word, by saying F word, the priest essentially lowers his status to the likes that get used to saying or hearing F word. By allowing people to be naked on the beaches, Asian countries essentially put their culture image to the level of Western. Same case here. People like IdrA already have bad image, their social status are not the same as Sheth, WhiteRa, Grubby,... That's why he has a lot of haters, because there're many people who don't like and look down his personality status. IdrA established and placed himself a social standing where it't acceptable for him to say F word. On the other hand, Orb established himself an image as a high-class artist-y casters (from his Korean Weekly, posts in forums), so by saying N word over and over again, he broke his classy image, of course some people are gonna rage, because they feel his personality that he established himself until now is fake. That being said, life goes on. People will move on, they're gonna stop raging, but inside each person, Orb's image has changed, and for the worse. Next time he said the N word again, people will not gonna make a big deal out of it again, because that Orb is not the high-classy artisty Orb, but the white skinny used-to-say-N-word Orb. | ||
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mrafaeldie12
Brazil537 Posts
This week :orb next week: you?** **chill | ||
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eits
United States210 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:55 jnsjr wrote: you got trolled...... nice to know how you really feel though! the fact you think you can tell me how I feel or should of reacted to someones response lets me know enough about your intelligence already | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:57 reincremate wrote: This thread is hilarious. I don't understand why so many people rush to defend orb's racist, immature, unsportsmanlike and poorly typed raging and on top of that defend the fact that he tried to deny it in the face of overwhelming evidence. Incidents like this should disgrace any public figure forever. I mean, just imagine if MC or MVP or some other progamer said stuff like "ur fucking garbage dumb nigger" to their opponents while streaming. Wooosh. Flew right over your head. | ||
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CygNus X-1
Canada169 Posts
Srsly though, the lying issue is whats of more concern to EG atm. Its cowardly to try to cover it up plus it gives you and your employer a bad image. | ||
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NachiMe
250 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:55 Xann wrote: lol? Sorry but I won't let the white man sweep racism under the rug... actions have consequences, and orb should pay the consequences of his inflamatory remarks on my race. I'm asian and I really don't give a fuck about racism that happened to "my" race. And yes, there has been a lot of it. What's done is done, most people don't think like this now (or are trying to be politcally correct) so step down your horse. *you* did not suffer hundreds of years of brutality. Your ancestors did. Grow up. To be honest I would love to be black instead of asian because of all the affirmitive action that goes on here. Easy ivy league if I was black, hard ivy league if I was asian. | ||
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CygNus X-1
Canada169 Posts
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m1rk3
Canada412 Posts
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reincremate
China2212 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:00 CygNus X-1 wrote: Welp, there goes his 15 sec of fame. Srsly though, the lying issue is whats of more concern to EG atm. Its cowardly to try to cover it up plus it gives you and your employer a bad image. Yeah if they don't fire him, they'll be ostracized as well. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Deleted User 123474
292 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:53 VirgilSC2 wrote: ....note to self: Don't make jokes on the internet. This is a relevant note to self. Some people think that they can say something sarcastic on the internet, not actually say they are being sarcastic, and have it be interpreted correctly. Note to all who have done this: the internet cannot read your wry smile or accompanying laugh! On the topic of orb, it looks bad, but honestly, if I met him on ladder I would just mute him or just laugh out loud. BM can be funny, and orb's BM actually looks funny. Aside from the whole "nigger" thing, which is despicable, but minor. | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:01 CygNus X-1 wrote: I wonder how EG Masters cup chat is going to be tonight .... Since Incontrol and Machine know how to be professional they probably won't mention it. If they do it will be in the context of "EG will release a statment sometime, but lets watch these games." | ||
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holycrapitsTony
United States330 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:00 NachiMe wrote: I'm asian and I really don't give a fuck about racism that happened to "my" race. And yes, there has been a lot of it. What's done is done, most people don't think like this now (or are trying to be politcally correct) so step down your horse. *you* did not suffer hundreds of years of brutality. Your ancestors did. Grow up. To be honest I would love to be black instead of asian because of all the affirmitive action that goes on here. Easy ivy league if I was black, hard ivy league if I was asian. Alert: An anonymous Asian man doesn't care about what happened to his ancestors, it's now okay to mock and insult all asians. I'll be sure to find a Jew that doesn't care about the Holocaust so that can be okay too. | ||
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cameler
Canada99 Posts
A white man can NOT use the N word in public.... anywhere... and doing it behind the safety of your computer monitor makes you look like a complete pussy, mr.orb. This is the sign of a real weak minded person. | ||
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