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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
junmkk
Profile Joined February 2011
United States19 Posts
March 09 2012 01:47 GMT
#1261
The misdirected anger issues should be a slap on the wrist; "don't do it again". Yellow Card.

He should (and probably will) be fired for lying to his boss about a serious issue. Red Card.
glhf -masters
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 01:51:36
March 09 2012 01:48 GMT
#1262
I'm hoping we can keep an ongoing list of how many threads are created for each StarCraft player/ personality, based on all their scandals. How many have been created about Naniwa's problems? Stephano's? Idra's? Orb's?

We can make bets too on who's going to have the most hate threads by 2013, or who's going to have the most surprising scandal. "Sheth and White-Ra seen laughing at scared kitten!"

On topic: At this point, I'll just accept whatever Scoots and Alex and the rest of EG go with.

Orb has said stuff in the past. He hasn't said anything during his time on EG. He says stuff while he plays and streams. He doesn't say stuff while he casts. Both matter now that he's on EG. He needs to stay professional 24/7 (at least, he can't throw around slurs). Perhaps if anything goes down while he's on EG (and therefore directly stains the image of EG, their sponsors, etc.), then maybe he's off the team, but maybe for now he'll be closely watched. I don't know. It's not my decision to make.

EDIT: If he gets caught lying, he's pretty much fucked.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
March 09 2012 01:48 GMT
#1263
On March 09 2012 10:41 VanGarde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:38 Dental Floss wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:35 VanGarde wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:29 Dental Floss wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:20 VanGarde wrote:
Really? I have one problem with this discussion and it is that racism is dragged into it.

The words means nothing it is bm and that is all that is relevant to discuss, if you want to discuss whether or not a caster should bad manner on stream and on ladder that is one thing. Surely everyone is aware that orb tends to bm.

But I find it terribly overzealous how people jump on certain words. People who are angry and bm use different words that can be taboo, powerful or generally disliked. It is the point of using words in that way. Someone using nigger to curse at someone does not mean that they are actually a racist, someone using the word faggot to bm someone is not necessarily anti gay any less than someone who uses cunt to curse thinks that vaginas are something to be avoided.

Sure, debate whether or not orb should bm but just get over the bullshit about different words because it does not mean anything, guess what, my brother and a close friend of mine are homosexual and I use faggot when I curse, even around them. It does not mean anything in a context like this.


If words mean nothing then your post means nothing.


The context of words means something. The fact that people can't see a difference between "That retard faggot cannon rushed me eleven times in a row" and "I hate how the fucking faggots can still get married in some states" is the problem.


Hmm, thats a really good point. I hadn't thought of that. Man, it'd be crazy if there was a context where black people have been oppressed, murdered, and enslaved for hundreds of years by brutal imperialists. You'd sure look like a heel calling people "dumb niggers" if that were the case.


The problem with this reasoning is again the complete lack of balance. This shit only happens when people use the words nigger and fag, and in there lies the bias. When IdrA calls someone a retard no one stands up and say that this is offensive to mentally challenged people. When someone calls someone a cunt or a pussy there is no one who starts a thread about how this disrespects all women.

The reason people don't do that is that even people who think that we should censor society to get rid of "bad" words that could offend people realize that if you push that line of reasoning to its limits you can barely use words at all because there is always someone who will be offended by something.


If we're really going to rank insulting words here then there's a huge difference between the N-word, F-word and retard. In the recent centuries mentally challenged people were not enslaved and seen as animals whose only purpose was to serve another race. Regarding the F-word, homosexuals still don't have any rights whatsoever in many parts of the world while a lot of effort is being put into making the world a better place for disabled people wether it be mentally or physically.
In that context (the world we live in) my friend, those words are unacceptable and should not be uttered. When, where and if the people hearing care is a totally different thing altogether.
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
holycrapitsTony
Profile Joined October 2010
United States330 Posts
March 09 2012 01:49 GMT
#1264
It matters to me what Orb is saying. I have been a long time fan of EG as an organization and their image is not properly reflected in Orb's behavior.
NYE: when the match loading screen comes up "zvz" it's like finding out you have hiv
Oerbaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Scotland184 Posts
March 09 2012 01:49 GMT
#1265
On March 09 2012 10:17 darkcloud8282 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:14 Diamond wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:13 darkcloud8282 wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:07 Oerbaa wrote:
Lmfao.. i find it amusing how people are so hell bent on getting this guys career fucked over for saying nigger.. Huk tweeted "nigga" at Totalbiscuit last week and no shit storm was made but because someone with lower popularity in this community rage-bm's someone he's getting treated like this for it, i mean yeh he should be punished for lying to EG management because that was just a retarded move by him, but as usual Reddit has blew something like this way out of proportion...

Edit-
I also love how people say Sc2's community is the best gaming community, its actually debatable if its as bad as Runescape or LoL's.. its close at least, and thats saying something -.-, goodluck to Orb explaining the lies to EG's management and his career as a caster is probably over due to how this has went down :o

Please link to Huk's tweet or stop spreading false information.


HuK has tweeted "nigga" several times now, it's not false.

If he has done it several times now, let's see some links to them?


I just had to type "@LorangerChris tweeting nigga" and i found one..



and once again i don't actually give a fuck about anyone saying nigger, i just find it retarded people are acting out this way to Orb for saying something months before he joined EG and getting him in this much shit.. yeh his attitude when playing is shitty and he acts like a twat but its no reason for people to make as big of a shit storm as this..
I came here to kick as and drink milk, and ive finished my milk
Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 01:51:00
March 09 2012 01:49 GMT
#1266
On March 09 2012 10:41 Xann wrote:
i'm still waiting for orb's apology, the white man continues to spread their hatred and racism while black men such as myself are hurt despite the hundreds of years of brutality i've had to suffer. The white man should be ashamed



how old are you?
hundreds of years of brutality?
And this persecution happened to you personally?
What day and age are you living in?
En Taro Adun, Executor!
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
March 09 2012 01:50 GMT
#1267
On March 09 2012 10:44 Dental Floss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:41 VanGarde wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:38 Dental Floss wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:35 VanGarde wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:29 Dental Floss wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:20 VanGarde wrote:
Really? I have one problem with this discussion and it is that racism is dragged into it.

The words means nothing it is bm and that is all that is relevant to discuss, if you want to discuss whether or not a caster should bad manner on stream and on ladder that is one thing. Surely everyone is aware that orb tends to bm.

But I find it terribly overzealous how people jump on certain words. People who are angry and bm use different words that can be taboo, powerful or generally disliked. It is the point of using words in that way. Someone using nigger to curse at someone does not mean that they are actually a racist, someone using the word faggot to bm someone is not necessarily anti gay any less than someone who uses cunt to curse thinks that vaginas are something to be avoided.

Sure, debate whether or not orb should bm but just get over the bullshit about different words because it does not mean anything, guess what, my brother and a close friend of mine are homosexual and I use faggot when I curse, even around them. It does not mean anything in a context like this.


If words mean nothing then your post means nothing.


The context of words means something. The fact that people can't see a difference between "That retard faggot cannon rushed me eleven times in a row" and "I hate how the fucking faggots can still get married in some states" is the problem.


Hmm, thats a really good point. I hadn't thought of that. Man, it'd be crazy if there was a context where black people have been oppressed, murdered, and enslaved for hundreds of years by brutal imperialists. You'd sure look like a heel calling people "dumb niggers" if that were the case.


The problem with this reasoning is again the complete lack of balance. This shit only happens when people use the words nigger and fag, and in there lies the bias. When IdrA calls someone a retard no one stands up and say that this is offensive to mentally challenged people. When someone calls someone a cunt or a pussy there is no one who starts a thread about how this disrespects all women.

The reason people don't do that is that even people who think that we should censor society to get rid of "bad" words that could offend people realize that if you push that line of reasoning to its limits you can barely use words at all because there is always someone who will be offended by something.



You're right; there are degrees of social acceptance for all words and ideas. One way to measure how socially acceptable something sounds is to ask other people. Here in this thread we've discussed how socially acceptable Orb's comments were. After reading this thread do you feel that Orb's comments were socially acceptable? Does it look like this social group in general approves or disapproves?


You are assuming that I agree in the first place that language should be censored based on who gets "offended" and not. I don't, personally I think that the principles of free speech should filter down all the way to the smallest of issues.
Since as I just pointed out it is absolutely impossible to maintain any level of consistency when what words are allowed to be used are chosen in this manner I find that the much more enlightened principle is that it is up to each and every one of us to grow a thicker skin and deal with it. I am not saying people should not be offended, there are surely many words and statements that could be said that would make me offended, but I don't see how you can build a society where people can claim the right to impose not being offended. This is why I feel that these language discussions are completely ridiculous. But even if you sidestep that story, I still go back to my original point of double standard and complete inconsistency.


War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
March 09 2012 01:50 GMT
#1268
On March 09 2012 10:45 Joedaddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:44 SimDawg wrote:
This is a gaming community, you can't compare what happens in his personal stream and on ladder with that happens in a professional setting.


Good luck selling that to corporate America when you want a major sponsorship.


lol this is a video game, not the NFL. Corporate America is hardly knocking down our door (and its not because some people ocassionaly use the N word). Dont take yourselves so seriously.
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
March 09 2012 01:50 GMT
#1269
On March 09 2012 10:48 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
"Sheth and White-Ra seen laughing at scared kitten!"


Whhhaaaaaaaaattttttttttt???!!!!!!!!! Get reddit on this ASAP!!!
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
SiN]
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States540 Posts
March 09 2012 01:51 GMT
#1270
oh noes
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
March 09 2012 01:51 GMT
#1271
On March 09 2012 10:49 Rorschach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:41 Xann wrote:
i'm still waiting for orb's apology, the white man continues to spread their hatred and racism while black men such as myself are hurt despite the hundreds of years of brutality i've had to suffer. The white man should be ashamed



how old are you?
hundreds of years of brutality?
And this persecution happened to you personally?
What day and age are you living in?
GTFO


Lets get real here for a moment: If you submit two job applications with the same credentials but one says "Brad" and one says "Curtis" guess who is 30% more likely to get the job. There have been real studies about this I am serious.

Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
eits
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States210 Posts
March 09 2012 01:51 GMT
#1272
On March 09 2012 10:41 Xann wrote:
i'm still waiting for orb's apology, the white man continues to spread their hatred and racism while black men such as myself are hurt despite the hundreds of years of brutality i've had to suffer. The white man should be ashamed


get off of high horse please

what have you actually endured? the daily, ritualistic, physical beatings your ancestors used to get? give me a break.

My family is norwegian, I don't go around cry about what the "vikings" did to my ancestors and that it deeply affects me to this day.

quit blaming everything "on the white man" and do something else about it besides blaming someone else
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 09 2012 01:51 GMT
#1273
People are misguided into thinking personal issues and professional issues are separate, but they're not. If your personal issues leak out and slander your professional image and the professional organization you work for, it's 100% no different from if he said it during a professional broadcast. His personality is getting light and affecting EG and I'm sure they're pissed.
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
March 09 2012 01:51 GMT
#1274
think it's pathetic that people think orb is actually racist.

saying nigger is as racist as saying faggot is homophobic. it's not -- this is 2012. 20 fucking 12. yes, he needs to get his rage in check. no, you don't have ANY grounds to say he's a racist or shit like that. nobody fucking uses "nigger" with the intention of hating black people -- at least not that i know, and i know plenty of internet trolls. it's just an extremely profane word, hence it coming up when he's raging hard.

god i cannot believe the witchhunts the sc2 community goes through, it's sooooooo annoying. just malicious kids wanting to see people get hurt. THAT is 1000x more detestable than raging and saying "nigger" on a private stream or unstreamed match.
www.justin.tv/veisc2 ~ 720p + commentary
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 01:54:11
March 09 2012 01:52 GMT
#1275
On March 09 2012 10:01 Mikey wrote:
Hi, If you recall the old IdrA rage from early sc2 and when he started streaming he was quite similar to this (Maybe not as far as using the word 'nigger') but he did use faggot, and fuck you, and bitch, and a lot of other foul or derogatory terms. If they let Greg slide, they should give orb a chance as well.

Just my opinion.


Yeah Greg was a big fan of using "fag" in Brood War as well.

I still remember watching his TSL 2 rep pack. JulyZerg did 1 hatch lurker build against him and he instantly left the game while saying "fag" when he saw the lurker in his base. Some people thought it was funny at the time, but now I realize that he could be hurting someone's feelings that take offense to that comment.

On March 09 2012 10:51 eits wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:41 Xann wrote:
i'm still waiting for orb's apology, the white man continues to spread their hatred and racism while black men such as myself are hurt despite the hundreds of years of brutality i've had to suffer. The white man should be ashamed


get off of high horse please

what have you actually endured? the daily, ritualistic, physical beatings your ancestors used to get? give me a break.

My family is norwegian, I don't go around cry about what the "vikings" did to my ancestors and that it deeply affects me to this day.

quit blaming everything "on the white man" and do something else about it besides blaming someone else


You do know that was a troll post right?
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
March 09 2012 01:53 GMT
#1276
On March 09 2012 10:50 Equity213 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:45 Joedaddy wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:44 SimDawg wrote:
This is a gaming community, you can't compare what happens in his personal stream and on ladder with that happens in a professional setting.


Good luck selling that to corporate America when you want a major sponsorship.


lol this is a video game, not the NFL. Corporate America is hardly knocking down our door (and its not because some people ocassionaly use the N word). Dont take yourselves so seriously.


Ya chill out guys. It's not like we need corporate sponsorship to run everything.

I think this is more than a game to EG and every other pro-team out there. It's more than a game to the services based around it as well.
Equity213
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada873 Posts
March 09 2012 01:53 GMT
#1277
On March 09 2012 10:41 Xann wrote:
i'm still waiting for orb's apology, the white man continues to spread their hatred and racism while black men such as myself are hurt despite the hundreds of years of brutality i've had to suffer. The white man should be ashamed


Just how many hundreds of years old are you bro? Sorry but I find it hard to have shame for something someone elses ancestors did 200 years ago. Congrats on being the first real racist in this thread though.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
March 09 2012 01:53 GMT
#1278
On March 09 2012 10:49 Oerbaa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 10:17 darkcloud8282 wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:14 Diamond wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:13 darkcloud8282 wrote:
On March 09 2012 10:07 Oerbaa wrote:
Lmfao.. i find it amusing how people are so hell bent on getting this guys career fucked over for saying nigger.. Huk tweeted "nigga" at Totalbiscuit last week and no shit storm was made but because someone with lower popularity in this community rage-bm's someone he's getting treated like this for it, i mean yeh he should be punished for lying to EG management because that was just a retarded move by him, but as usual Reddit has blew something like this way out of proportion...

Edit-
I also love how people say Sc2's community is the best gaming community, its actually debatable if its as bad as Runescape or LoL's.. its close at least, and thats saying something -.-, goodluck to Orb explaining the lies to EG's management and his career as a caster is probably over due to how this has went down :o

Please link to Huk's tweet or stop spreading false information.


HuK has tweeted "nigga" several times now, it's not false.

If he has done it several times now, let's see some links to them?


I just had to type "@LorangerChris tweeting nigga" and i found one..

https://twitter.com/#!/LorangerChris/statuses/163132550880047104

and once again i don't actually give a fuck about anyone saying nigger, i just find it retarded people are acting out this way to Orb for saying something months before he joined EG and getting him in this much shit.. yeh his attitude when playing is shitty and he acts like a twat but its no reason for people to make as big of a shit storm as this..

Contexts are completely different. Huk saying it in a playful friendly manner vs. full on nerd rage BM in which he was obviously trying to insult the guy
IamMrWren
Profile Joined March 2012
United States6 Posts
March 09 2012 01:53 GMT
#1279
Context, he was calling this these people on ladder assholes using the word nigger. Shit talking is part of the video game culture. Yes, he may have lied about it, only because he was afraid of losing his dream job. People have made this into much more than what it should be.

It takes less time to type gg than it does to type something you may regret.
JeanLuc
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada377 Posts
March 09 2012 01:53 GMT
#1280
This subject does matter. He used the more inflammatory version of the n- word (which some people seem to be deliberately ignoring). So finding HuK tweating the diluted verison of this word once-- and not in a hateful context-- is just not the same thing at all. Sure Orb has a right to type whatever he wants in a ladder game, but EG has just as much right, and indeed, if they have any sense at all, the self-interested motivation-- to fire Orb's ass.
If you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth-- you don't deserve to wear that uniform
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