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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations. | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:29 Dental Floss wrote: If words mean nothing then your post means nothing. The context of words means something. The fact that people can't see a difference between "That retard faggot cannon rushed me eleven times in a row" and "I hate how the fucking faggots can still get married in some states" is the problem. | ||
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Chessz
United States644 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:29 Serpico wrote: Again, you're propping yourself up to be more than you think you are. You act like this has some kind of societal consequence or there's some bigger picture here to look at when there isnt. You're blowing something up that really is about someone saying something cruel when they were raging. You're about 10 levels too high strung about all of this. He made a mistake and should apologize, like everyone is saying. This has nothing to do with being racist as much as it does with being immature. I agree stopping one white guy from using a racist word won't solve the problem, but honestly I'm not even an authority because I am not a target of his slurs. I'm pretty white. However racism and racial discrimination still happens on a daily basis in urban development, jerrymandering, linguistic profiling, etc.. "you act like this has some kind of societal consequence or there's some bigger picture here to look at when there isnt." Except that what EG DOES do sets a larger precedent that I would say is "societal consequence," I know it's just a kid raging online, but if it wasn't a big deal, why has this thread blown up and topics on reddit blown up? You really think people have it out for orb or something? Another person said I'm still stuck on this "racist slurs = racism bullshit," I really don't think I am, as much as the use of those words in a derogatory way strengthens our cultural narratives surrounding the history of the word so long as their meaning relies on oppression between two groups or the deficiency of one. That constitutes actual harm, and that's what I care about, I'm not offended. What does more harm: thinking racist thoughts and actually being racist, or using racist words even though you're not? (ps. the context for using those words was public and you're also a prominent community member) | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:35 TheBlueMeaner wrote: And its really funny how everyone keeps bringing Idra out, he is bad mannered at times, but I have never heard of him using racial slurs to insult his opponents... yeah, he just calls them bad at sc2 xp | ||
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Joedaddy
United States1948 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:17 VirgilSC2 wrote: Orb is paid to cast and act professional while he does so, which he's great at. This was from BEFORE he worked with EG. Not only that, it wasn't while he was casting at all. With your view on things, you could just say "If you only hate the fact that Orb is bm, you can still watch his casts and forget about the other stuff" which is actually easier than what you're saying to do with IdrA, as Orb doesn't BM while casting, but IdrA does BM while playing. Stop being so hypocritical community. When you're independent and a relative nobody you can call every swinging dick on the internet whatever you like and no one will care. However, I think you and a lot of other people fail to understand that Monster Energy, Kingston HyperX, Steelseries, and every other major corporation sponsoring EG won't give two shits about the timeline or circumstances when the headline comes out and says they are giving money to support a team/individual who refers to people as "niggers." Whether its right or wrong is absolutely irrelevant in this circumstance because the only thing that matters is the court of public opinion. I don't care if Orb wants to stream and throw racial slurs around at people when he loses, and I don't feel any emotion about this latest event either. My common sense tells me though that when you step into the spotlight and represent major corporations the game changes. You can't run around screaming "nigger" all night and expect to be a spokesperson for Nike 8-5 the next day and claim "but I'm professional when I'm on the clock." It just doesn't work that way. | ||
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ESFActioN
United States15 Posts
While I agree he shouldn't of used the n-word, people have made bigger mistakes and as long as he stops from this point forward I don't think he should be punished harshly. Live and Learn IMO. People need to grow up and stop bringing the pitch forks, some sad people in this forum... | ||
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:46 Heaton31 wrote: Irrelevant. Past actions don't hurt you for future jobs, really? Sweet. Interesting; I didn't know I had to include my Starcraft 2 ladder experiences on my resume. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:16 pt wrote: its just racist comments dawg... its only a big deal because other people make it a big deal. Makes me glad, I think that kind of language we're discussing is deplorable, insulting, and offensive. Beyond that, this kind of "typical" BM just affirms to every decent, thinking adult that the video game community is a haven for childish people who think nothing you say or do matters unless someone "makes it a big deal", and as such will say whatever mean thing they can think of because inside that's just who they are. While I don't like slander and bandwagoning, I'm really tired of the carte-blanche attitude some people take towards civility, just because it's on the internet. You write someone a hand-written letter calling them racist and homophobic slurs, it's practically a hate crime. You say it in public, and people might call you a pig for the rest of your life. But on the internet, "it's only a big deal because other people make it a big deal". | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:35 TheBlueMeaner wrote: And its really funny how everyone keeps bringing Idra out, he is bad mannered at times, but I have never heard of him using racial slurs to insult his opponents... He hates every race besides zerg. | ||
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jnsjr
United States461 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:19 Esk23 wrote: This post is itself racist. Funny how the people who go crazy against racism are typically racist themselves. Not sure if serious? I'll take the troll bait, please enlighten me, how is this racist? | ||
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Silentness
United States2821 Posts
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:35 VanGarde wrote: The context of words means something. The fact that people can't see a difference between "That retard faggot cannon rushed me eleven times in a row" and "I hate how the fucking faggots can still get married in some states" is the problem. Hmm, thats a really good point. I hadn't thought of that. Man, it'd be crazy if there was a context where black people have been oppressed, murdered, and enslaved for hundreds of years by brutal imperialists. You'd sure look like a heel calling people "dumb niggers" if that were the case. | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
That is because when IdrA calls someone a retard people actually realize that he is not actually having something personally against people who suffer from some kind of mental disability. | ||
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Oiseaux
United States676 Posts
Sounds like racism to me. | ||
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WhitePower
Canada2 Posts
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winsause
United States65 Posts
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RampancyTW
United States577 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:35 TheBlueMeaner wrote: Yeah, just slurs against gays. But that's ok, because homosexuality isn't a race amirite?And its really funny how everyone keeps bringing Idra out, he is bad mannered at times, but I have never heard of him using racial slurs to insult his opponents... It's a complete double-standard that's both sad and utterly hilarious at the same time. Everybody's a little bit racist. We're hardwired for it. The degree to which you let that racism grow impact your life is the important piece of it. | ||
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Oiseaux
United States676 Posts
On March 09 2012 10:39 WhitePower wrote: i dont understand how people didn't take katu's side after what he did, but people are taking orb's side after his terrible racist comments, and his lies? LOL, nice username. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
IdrA's mellowed out a lot since joining EG though. He has his moments, but I haven't heard him use racial slurs. And his rage is actually kind of creative  .Anyway, I hope Orb gets a chance to mellow out now that he has 'a real job'. Although lying to your employer isn't a good start. | ||
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Frostmister
Sweden77 Posts
On March 09 2012 09:32 Dfgj wrote: Interesting; I didn't know I had to include my Starcraft 2 ladder experiences on my resume. I think you have to if you are applying for a casting job for the specific game. For example, who's going to hire a guy to cast a big fotboll game if he have no experiance with it? | ||
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