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The subject of this thread is not a license to roll out your inaccurate, misinformed, poorly conceived, tired, and downright offensive theories about race relations.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 23:38:53
March 08 2012 23:38 GMT
#661
wow, he said nigga? bitch betta be put 'n a fire rite?
(jk, ppl take ladder bm seriosuly for no reason, very unnecessary)
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
March 08 2012 23:38 GMT
#662
Orb has been behaving this way for well over a year and I find it hard to believe we are only seeing this thread now.
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
Bidj
Profile Joined September 2010
France98 Posts
March 08 2012 23:38 GMT
#663
I don't really like him but this hyper reactions is beyond pathetic.
Rooooaaaar
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
March 08 2012 23:38 GMT
#664
Really, using N-word isn't racist? What kind of nonsense is flying around here?
AdrianHealey
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium480 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 23:39:31
March 08 2012 23:38 GMT
#665
On March 09 2012 08:35 Xann wrote:
My ancestors were enslaved by the white man, and here we have the white man spreading racial hatred and the white man is excusing it, telling us to grow up. We need to take a stand against this hatred. Gonna boycott EG and their sponsors if they aren't going to address this properly.


This is pretty collectivist. 'The white men' who enslaved your ancestors are dead. The 'white men' who want to enslave you are less then 1%. (There are still racists, true.) The 'white men' helped, together with other black and hispanics and many more different kind of racial origins, to elect a black person to be the most powerful person in the world.

You have no right to act like a victim just because your ancestors were.

We need to make a stand against hatred. Using a racial slur, however, is not the same as hating other races. It is just that. A slur.

As long as people will find a way to think in a collectivist way regarding these issues, these issues won't die.
I love.
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
March 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#666
On March 09 2012 08:35 Xann wrote:
My ancestors were enslaved by the white man, and here we have the white man spreading racial hatred and the white man is excusing it, telling us to grow up. We need to take a stand against this hatred. Gonna boycott EG and their sponsors if they aren't going to address this properly.


Boycotting Intel? Shut down your computer immediately. Now. Your motherboard probably has an intel chip or patent on it.
Good luck with that boycot.
월요 날 재미있
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
March 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#667
On March 09 2012 08:31 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 08:28 GumThief wrote:
On March 09 2012 08:24 Kuja wrote:
On March 09 2012 08:17 GumThief wrote:
Here is my take on the situation, and why I think that the backlash is warranted.

First of all let me state the use use of F****** and N**** are hurtful words where its sole purpose was to demean and destroy a group of people. I don't give two fucks if you give me an argument about Oh well, are you Black? OH! This is just internet trash talk. Nah.. Nah.

Secondly! Orb, you are representing now a team that has amazing sponsors and an unbelievable organisation behind it. Your words now directly reflect EG and their sponsors. And shit! Don't keep somebody around who may turn off potential sponsors and brands due to one dickhead. I don't care if it is done on stream or only on ladder or only at LAN parties, if word gets around that you are a bigot or an internet trash talking bigot then MANY companies and brands would not touch that with a ten foot poll.

Lastly! I agree with the outcry because hell, look at the FGC. They had a serious asshole step up and completely paint a negative picture of their community whether they liked it or not. What did they do about it? Fuck all. They sounded and looked like apathetic, whiney and DUMB kids in my opinion. Don't let the SC2 community, EVER, be represented by somebody who does not represent us at all in the slightest.

Do I think that he should be shunned from professional casting? Meh, not my call. But do I think that anybody who wants to be put in the spotlight, yet conducts themselves in a way that hurts our community image should be allowed to continue representing us? Nope!

Thanks xD :D

Please open a history book, or learn some latin. Please please before you go on making such stupid unfounded statements.



Sorry? You tell me what they refer to now then... If I walk down areas of Toronto that are openly "gay villages" and I say OH HEY A FAGGOT! Peoples heads will turn and it will be extremely obvious what I am saying.... Oh sorry bro I was talking about that twig over there.. Seriously? Get a fucking clue. FUCK! You're a dumb piece of shit. Get a fucking clue.

There are gay communities out there who condone and even liberally use the word "fag" and "faggot" amongst themselves, just like how there are AA communities and speakers of AAE who use the word "nigger" as an endearing term.

Sure but orb is neither homosexual nor black. Spoken by anyone else who don't fully feel the implications of a word it's just the wrong thing to say. No heterosexual white male would call someone faggot or nigger as an endearing term if it was not part of a joke.
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
leethedster
Profile Joined January 2012
United States7 Posts
March 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#668
I had originally typed out a rather long post, however being that this is my first post, I decided I'll cut it shorter and I'll sum it up in a few points:

1. I do not know personally, nor did I intensively examine and research this incident, I just read the first post (and a few pages of ensuing replies)--thus I have no personal judgment on the said player himself (however, his statements I were not the best as I explain in no.5)--or of the accusations.
2. It is not ohkay to disregard the words in question, that is the most important issue--far above 'lying'.
3. If E-Sports and Starcraft along wants to be taken seriously by outsiders as it expands, then professional players cannot be caught saying these things--nor can they be condoned. (Anyone, including myself, understands being heated in the moment--all professional sports atheletes do when the time comes)
4. It is better to be oversensitive than otherwise.
5. Said player would have had it better if he conducted himself in a more professional manner (as a professional). If he released a statement simply saying "I did not say [insert racial/derogatory slurs], however, even if I did I would like apologize to anyone that may have even slightly been offended by seeing these words [in relation to me]. I do not believe that these words have a place in our starcraft/e-sports community or anywhere for that matter."

-For those that want to know my references of example, you can PM me for my original post.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
March 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#669
On March 09 2012 08:37 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 08:35 dANiELcanuck wrote:
On March 09 2012 08:32 Mystgun wrote:
How the hell is this NOT a big deal? A homophobic professional caster using racial slurs sounds like something that needs to be addressed by the community.


People like you make me hope StarCraft 2 dies. Soon.


Honestly, this. If someone raged on the ladder in BW or in WC3, nobody would give a fuck. SC2 really needs to be taken down a peg so we can shed this illusion of "professionalism" that the killjoys around here seem to be perpetuating.


I don't know if you actually played BW but it was and still is one of the most professional and polite games out there. Out of my last 100 games I was probably BM'd once on Iccup.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
mathsucks
Profile Joined January 2011
194 Posts
March 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#670
On March 09 2012 08:19 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 08:16 Dental Floss wrote:
On March 09 2012 08:14 Silidons wrote:
On March 09 2012 08:13 Blargh wrote:
On March 09 2012 08:11 Dental Floss wrote:
Maybe you should take this reaction as a sign that calling someone a dumb nigger is not as normal as you think it is.


Woah bro, you must venture onto the internet very often.

yea. calling someone a "dumb nigger" is about as common a word as "Dude" on the internet...lol


*uses a knife to decapitate a serbian soldier*

BUT I SAW IT ON THE INTERNET LIKE A HUNDRED TIMES

god i love when people play this game. just go to all of the extremes here because you know your argument is futile. also, THIS WAS ALSO ON THE INTERNET. maybe if beheading people happened everyday in the USA, then it would be pretty normal. but here is what is normal: calling someone on the internet a nigger. it happens every-single-day, probably every single minute. it's called not being a moron. i'm awaiting your eagre response.


Just because it happens frequently does not mean it is acceptable.
"Perception is strong and sight weak. In strategy, it is important to see distant things as if they were close and to take a distanced view of close things" -Unknown || www.twitch.tv/scmathsux
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
March 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#671
On March 09 2012 08:35 Xann wrote:
My ancestors were enslaved by the white man, and here we have the white man spreading racial hatred and the white man is excusing it, telling us to grow up. We need to take a stand against this hatred. Gonna boycott EG and their sponsors if they aren't going to address this properly.

hahahahaha

I'm loving this thread
fortheGG
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1002 Posts
March 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#672
On March 09 2012 08:36 Bashion wrote:
EG removed their "a new lair resident" video that introduced Orb to the house and such.



So he's getting kicked fast.
Kuja
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1759 Posts
March 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#673
On March 09 2012 08:35 Xann wrote:
My ancestors were enslaved by the white man, and here we have the white man spreading racial hatred and the white man is excusing it, telling us to grow up. We need to take a stand against this hatred. Gonna boycott EG and their sponsors if they aren't going to address this properly.
Whoah there buddy, thats alot of racism toward the white-man.
“Who's to say that my light is better than your darkness? Who's to say death is better than your darkness? Who am I to say?”
AdrianHealey
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium480 Posts
March 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#674
Here is what Orb should have said: 'Racial slurs are bad. However, I am not a racist. I just have a bad temper on ladder. I will try to behave, but it ain't easy.'

Raging is not a crime.
I love.
ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
March 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#675
On March 09 2012 08:38 AdrianHealey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 08:35 Xann wrote:
My ancestors were enslaved by the white man, and here we have the white man spreading racial hatred and the white man is excusing it, telling us to grow up. We need to take a stand against this hatred. Gonna boycott EG and their sponsors if they aren't going to address this properly.


This is pretty collectivist. 'The white men' who enslaved your ancestors are dead. The 'white men' who want to enslave you are less then 1%. (There are still racists, true.) The 'white men' helped, together with other black and hispanics and many more different kind of racial origins, to elect a black person to be the most powerful person in the world.

You have no right to act like a victim just because your ancestors were.

We need to make a stand against hatred. Using a racial slur, however, is not the same as hating other races. It is just that. A slur.

As long as people will find a way to think in a collectivist way regarding these issues, these issues won't die.


My feelings exactly.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
March 08 2012 23:41 GMT
#676
On March 09 2012 08:37 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 08:35 dANiELcanuck wrote:
On March 09 2012 08:32 Mystgun wrote:
How the hell is this NOT a big deal? A homophobic professional caster using racial slurs sounds like something that needs to be addressed by the community.


People like you make me hope StarCraft 2 dies. Soon.


Honestly, this. If someone raged on the ladder in BW or in WC3, nobody would give a fuck. SC2 really needs to be taken down a peg so we can shed this illusion of "professionalism" that the killjoys around here seem to be perpetuating.

This 'someone' represents not just himself but EG.
Ressonance
Profile Joined February 2012
Brazil14 Posts
March 08 2012 23:41 GMT
#677
It's funny how people think is ok someone that's professional being a racist and streaming that. And they say that they want e-sports to be big, hahaha. Yeah, imagine a football caster doing racists comments everytime he wasn't casting but was on camera.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
March 08 2012 23:41 GMT
#678
It took everyone this long to realize this guy is a douchebag? He has been doing shit like this for so long..
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Sickkiee
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Japan607 Posts
March 08 2012 23:41 GMT
#679
Love it how everyone is suddenly so fragile and 'hurt' by the word nigger and faggot being used lmao.
Lifes too short to be small.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
March 08 2012 23:41 GMT
#680
On March 09 2012 08:40 mathsucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 08:19 Silidons wrote:
On March 09 2012 08:16 Dental Floss wrote:
On March 09 2012 08:14 Silidons wrote:
On March 09 2012 08:13 Blargh wrote:
On March 09 2012 08:11 Dental Floss wrote:
Maybe you should take this reaction as a sign that calling someone a dumb nigger is not as normal as you think it is.


Woah bro, you must venture onto the internet very often.

yea. calling someone a "dumb nigger" is about as common a word as "Dude" on the internet...lol


*uses a knife to decapitate a serbian soldier*

BUT I SAW IT ON THE INTERNET LIKE A HUNDRED TIMES

god i love when people play this game. just go to all of the extremes here because you know your argument is futile. also, THIS WAS ALSO ON THE INTERNET. maybe if beheading people happened everyday in the USA, then it would be pretty normal. but here is what is normal: calling someone on the internet a nigger. it happens every-single-day, probably every single minute. it's called not being a moron. i'm awaiting your eagre response.


Just because it happens frequently does not mean it is acceptable.

Is it acceptable for me to saying "you're a fucking asshole and are completely skilless" when I lose the game? I would bet you dollars to donuts that if Orb had said this, nobody would have cares, which makes this very much an issue of misguided self-righteousness rather than wanting some utopia of politeness.
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