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On March 09 2012 07:46 RibsNGibs wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:36 Skilledblob wrote:
I dont understand the american obcession with the word nigger. Well, we have very complicated racial social issues stemming from a long history of bad things. It may be "just a word", but it's a word that is associated with very ugly stuff. I don't know what the analogous thing might be for a German, but I'm sure there's some stuff you just shouldn't say about Jews or the Holocaust or Nazis, even though they are "just words," and maybe the young people don't remember what happened back then, but it remains in the public consciousness.
i am not sure we even have a word like nigger. I mean we have the word neger which would translate to negro in english and was fairly common and even the name of some awesome sweets that were named negrokiss if you translate it. The closest word to nigger I can think of in german would probably be bimbo but I think that's a word in a lot of languages.
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Clearly people who BM as orb has are not worthy of respect. Raging and BM is not new but what's not fine is that terms such as the n-word just keep popping up over and over again. It's a term that was used, and still is (evidently), to disparage an entire race. Racist jokes sometimes can be funny depending on the context (i.e making fun of everyone in a comedic fashion) but most of the time they are completely tasteless and used by people who have no idea about the suffering and pain behind it. Racist BM is just plain wrong. It just shows an immature and bigoted person with latent racist thoughts. It's stupid shit like this that allows disgusting ideas to spread and be used trivially when in fact they are anything but.
I don't see how this is something to be ignored and not serious. Clearly, even if rage induced, the respect-less manner in which he conducts himself does not excuse him of anything. Truly shameful.
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On March 09 2012 07:50 Klondikebar wrote:
Reverse Racism doesn't exist. Racism marginalizes a minority. It is by definition impossible to marginalize the majority.
Um, no. See South Africa under apartheid.
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On March 09 2012 07:50 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:48 Kuja wrote:On March 09 2012 07:44 AegiS_ wrote:On March 09 2012 07:39 Kuja wrote:On March 09 2012 07:35 AegiS_ wrote:
If I was black, I would have just lost a lot of respect for TL from this thread.
He's a "professional" commentator, if you want the e-sports scene to be taken at least SOMEWHAT seriously from the rest of the world, there needs to be a higher standard than this (this, also referring to the countless people in this thread saying who cares).
If he was some no-name on ladder, then yeah I wouldn't care.. but guess what? He isn't some no-name. He is, like it or a not, a representative of OUR community because of the viewers he gets. So an example needs to be set by EG, or whoever, so that it doesn't continue and our community improves. That said, let the guy continue commentating. What the fuck? Hip-pop and rap are so much bigger then eSports and use the word all the time, your logic is fail. My logic is fail? You realize that NO "white" singers or rappers (orb is white) say the N word. Guess why? They're professional and know that if you're white and you use the N word all the time, it's racist. again for the derps that read this and will rage, I'm not saying a huge deal should be made. but he is a representative of our community and to say it doesn't matter is also very insensitive and doesn't look good. CLASSIC CASE OF REVERSE RACISM Nice double standards brohan. Reverse Racism doesn't exist. Racism marginalizes a minority. It is by definition impossible to marginalize the majority.
Klondi lol 
Racism can go any way, doesn't matter if it's minority or majority, it's judging someone on their race/colour of skin.
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We need to realize... that we all use bad words all the time. Even word "moron" is rly bad. You can't say it's bad becouse it is psychology term... describing ill people. Idiot and other words too... even retarded.
I'm not saying that Orb didn't say something rly bad but we all seams to use words that for some people may have other meaning.
We all should think about our language.
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The words 'who' and 'cares' come to mind. A large post like this seems a huge waste of your time OP 
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On March 09 2012 07:43 darkscream wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:34 Klondikebar wrote:On March 09 2012 07:32 frozenrb wrote:
Saying "gay" as a negative doesn't make you a homophobe any more than it makes you a sociopath. Gay also means happy, so if you call something gay negatively it doesn't mean you hate happiness. And if you call someone a nigger (especially someone whose race you can't possibly know) it doesn't mean you hate black people. .
"Um....you guys as a white person this doesn't hurt MY feelings therefore it isn't a problem!"
This is literally your argument.
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On March 09 2012 07:51 darkscream wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:45 Klondikebar wrote:On March 09 2012 07:43 darkscream wrote:On March 09 2012 07:34 Klondikebar wrote:On March 09 2012 07:32 frozenrb wrote:
Wonder how many times, you called something gay, even if you didn't have anything homophobic in mind...
It's childish like hell still... He is so stiupid:D The fact that you think the term "gay" can be used to describe something you don't like is inherently homophobic. no it's not what the fuck. This is a real problem, the internet all of a sudden became super uptight and politcally correct. News flash, people make their own defintions for words all the time. We use rape and gay and fuck and whatever else in a totally different context within gaming compared to the outside world. Saying "gay" as a negative doesn't make you a homophobe any more than it makes you a sociopath. Gay also means happy, so if you call something gay negatively it doesn't mean you hate happiness. And if you call someone a nigger (especially someone whose race you can't possibly know) it doesn't mean you hate black people. Sorry this isnt 1950, popular culture changes the definition of words very quickly and if you get hung up on one meaning from one time period, you have to be sensitive to a LOT more words than just nigger and faggot. This isn't 1950? Because your post sure seems like it is. It's amazing that people think context is the magical tabula rasa for a word. Hint: it's not Uh, okay, so we just have magic blacklisted words than always offend people now? Alright, well, I'm going on a witch hunt then. Anyone who has said the word "Nazi", I will campaign against. Anyone who has said "Faggot", I'm making them lose their job. "Jew" or "Nigger"? Fuck yeah, I'm getting you fired. "Rape" offends me regardless of context too, so that's out. Gay in any context, absolutely out of the question. "Hell" or "Damn" should not ever be present in any cast or stream either, they are curse words after all. Where do you draw the line? or do you just draw the line at "nigger" because that's the only offensive word in the world by your arbitrary standard?
I draw the line at those derogatory words you used that aren't choices. It's a choice to be a Nazi so that's trite but fair game. Damn or Hell don't refer to any specific group of people so they aren't even comparable.
All the other words you listed are off limits...is that really a revelation/surprise for you?
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On March 09 2012 07:50 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:48 Kuja wrote:On March 09 2012 07:44 AegiS_ wrote:On March 09 2012 07:39 Kuja wrote:On March 09 2012 07:35 AegiS_ wrote:
If I was black, I would have just lost a lot of respect for TL from this thread.
He's a "professional" commentator, if you want the e-sports scene to be taken at least SOMEWHAT seriously from the rest of the world, there needs to be a higher standard than this (this, also referring to the countless people in this thread saying who cares).
If he was some no-name on ladder, then yeah I wouldn't care.. but guess what? He isn't some no-name. He is, like it or a not, a representative of OUR community because of the viewers he gets. So an example needs to be set by EG, or whoever, so that it doesn't continue and our community improves. That said, let the guy continue commentating. What the fuck? Hip-pop and rap are so much bigger then eSports and use the word all the time, your logic is fail. My logic is fail? You realize that NO "white" singers or rappers (orb is white) say the N word. Guess why? They're professional and know that if you're white and you use the N word all the time, it's racist. again for the derps that read this and will rage, I'm not saying a huge deal should be made. but he is a representative of our community and to say it doesn't matter is also very insensitive and doesn't look good. CLASSIC CASE OF REVERSE RACISM Nice double standards brohan. Reverse Racism doesn't exist. Racism marginalizes a minority. It is by definition impossible to marginalize the majority.
Racism doesn't have anything to do with majority/minority. From Webster:
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination
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Wah wah lets go have a cry about it
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On March 09 2012 07:53 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:50 Klondikebar wrote:On March 09 2012 07:48 Kuja wrote:On March 09 2012 07:44 AegiS_ wrote:On March 09 2012 07:39 Kuja wrote:On March 09 2012 07:35 AegiS_ wrote:
If I was black, I would have just lost a lot of respect for TL from this thread.
He's a "professional" commentator, if you want the e-sports scene to be taken at least SOMEWHAT seriously from the rest of the world, there needs to be a higher standard than this (this, also referring to the countless people in this thread saying who cares).
If he was some no-name on ladder, then yeah I wouldn't care.. but guess what? He isn't some no-name. He is, like it or a not, a representative of OUR community because of the viewers he gets. So an example needs to be set by EG, or whoever, so that it doesn't continue and our community improves. That said, let the guy continue commentating. What the fuck? Hip-pop and rap are so much bigger then eSports and use the word all the time, your logic is fail. My logic is fail? You realize that NO "white" singers or rappers (orb is white) say the N word. Guess why? They're professional and know that if you're white and you use the N word all the time, it's racist. again for the derps that read this and will rage, I'm not saying a huge deal should be made. but he is a representative of our community and to say it doesn't matter is also very insensitive and doesn't look good. CLASSIC CASE OF REVERSE RACISM Nice double standards brohan. Reverse Racism doesn't exist. Racism marginalizes a minority. It is by definition impossible to marginalize the majority. Klondi lol Racism can go any way, doesn't matter if it's minority or majority, it's judging someone on their race/colour of skin.
There arent any human races by the way, so you should probably just write color of skin.
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zzzz ppl taking themselves too seriously. go use ur time on something that's actually important please.
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On March 09 2012 07:53 Demonaz wrote:The words 'who' and 'cares' come to mind. A large post like this seems a huge waste of your time OP
Yeah, it's pretty obvious that nobody cares right? Just look at how many people aren't posting in this thread that apparently nobody cares about. Oh wait...
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On March 09 2012 07:50 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:48 Kuja wrote:On March 09 2012 07:44 AegiS_ wrote:On March 09 2012 07:39 Kuja wrote:On March 09 2012 07:35 AegiS_ wrote:
If I was black, I would have just lost a lot of respect for TL from this thread.
He's a "professional" commentator, if you want the e-sports scene to be taken at least SOMEWHAT seriously from the rest of the world, there needs to be a higher standard than this (this, also referring to the countless people in this thread saying who cares).
If he was some no-name on ladder, then yeah I wouldn't care.. but guess what? He isn't some no-name. He is, like it or a not, a representative of OUR community because of the viewers he gets. So an example needs to be set by EG, or whoever, so that it doesn't continue and our community improves. That said, let the guy continue commentating. What the fuck? Hip-pop and rap are so much bigger then eSports and use the word all the time, your logic is fail. My logic is fail? You realize that NO "white" singers or rappers (orb is white) say the N word. Guess why? They're professional and know that if you're white and you use the N word all the time, it's racist. again for the derps that read this and will rage, I'm not saying a huge deal should be made. but he is a representative of our community and to say it doesn't matter is also very insensitive and doesn't look good. CLASSIC CASE OF REVERSE RACISM Nice double standards brohan. Reverse Racism doesn't exist. Racism marginalizes a minority. It is by definition impossible to marginalize the majority. yo yo homes, i was being like arguing, but you seem to have pruff that the majority of people on Bnet are not black/are white.
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why people insist on ruining this kid's life is beyond me.
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On March 09 2012 07:54 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:50 Klondikebar wrote:On March 09 2012 07:48 Kuja wrote:On March 09 2012 07:44 AegiS_ wrote:On March 09 2012 07:39 Kuja wrote:On March 09 2012 07:35 AegiS_ wrote:
If I was black, I would have just lost a lot of respect for TL from this thread.
He's a "professional" commentator, if you want the e-sports scene to be taken at least SOMEWHAT seriously from the rest of the world, there needs to be a higher standard than this (this, also referring to the countless people in this thread saying who cares).
If he was some no-name on ladder, then yeah I wouldn't care.. but guess what? He isn't some no-name. He is, like it or a not, a representative of OUR community because of the viewers he gets. So an example needs to be set by EG, or whoever, so that it doesn't continue and our community improves. That said, let the guy continue commentating. What the fuck? Hip-pop and rap are so much bigger then eSports and use the word all the time, your logic is fail. My logic is fail? You realize that NO "white" singers or rappers (orb is white) say the N word. Guess why? They're professional and know that if you're white and you use the N word all the time, it's racist. again for the derps that read this and will rage, I'm not saying a huge deal should be made. but he is a representative of our community and to say it doesn't matter is also very insensitive and doesn't look good. CLASSIC CASE OF REVERSE RACISM Nice double standards brohan. Reverse Racism doesn't exist. Racism marginalizes a minority. It is by definition impossible to marginalize the majority. Racism doesn't have anything to do with majority/minority. From Webster: 1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2: racial prejudice or discrimination
Webster defines "webster" as Middle English, from Old English webbestre female weaver, from webbian to weave; akin to Old English wefan to weave
First Known Use: 12th century
Thus webster isn't a dictionary.
Hint: being in a minority is a big part of racism.
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On March 09 2012 07:55 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 07:53 Demonaz wrote:The words 'who' and 'cares' come to mind. A large post like this seems a huge waste of your time OP Yeah, it's pretty obvious that nobody cares right? Just look at how many people aren't posting in this thread that apparently nobody cares about. Oh wait...
Then minus the posts that actually post 'who' and 'cares' in their posts and derive the actual amount of posters that do 'care'.
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i dont really care if he swears in the game, everyone does (not everyone but alot of people). the retarded cover-up attempt is just hilarious and so unbelievably dumb. reminds me a lot of a certain german politician.
its kinda sad to see someone whos been casting for so long and on the rise recently fuck up so bad not thinking at all
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