EPTWhat happened in Korean stream just now. - Page 37
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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DeadBull
421 Posts
because of the fucking terrible format and this nani thing | ||
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
What difference does that make? It's like they're saying he would get the code S seed but he hadn't gotten it yet so technically they didn't revoke it. wtf | ||
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DrMosh
United Kingdom26 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:35 LiquiidTAP wrote: I LOVE how some people are saying "goodbye GSL" and "I will no longer watch GSL" because of what they did and said. I am a Australian-Korean and I know that Koreans take gaming very seriously. Naniwa is very unprofessional and has no integrity. Wouldn't everyone here be upset if it was for example a "SOCCER GAME" and losing side was down 0-5 goals and there was only 5 minutes left and they didn't think there was no use because they already lost and just stopped playing and walked off the field???? Or what if they started kicking own goals for the fun of it?? Again, this analogy is flawed since it is entirely common in soccer to not take important games seriously. You're already 5-0 in your group, field the b-team since you're already through. Similarly, you're 0-5 in your group, field the b-team because it no longer matters. The same even holds for matches as important as 3rd and 4th place in the world cup. Think for a minute before saying dumb shit | ||
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HyperLethality
United States14 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:26 thOr6136 wrote: And revoking his code S seed is a way to go? Personally, I think it's a bit severe. But people have gotten worse. If he were Korean, he would've been suspended for months and kicked from his team. Say he keeps his Code S spot, and is put in a similar scenario again, playing a match that "doesn't matter". Is he going to behave this way again? NaNiwa has shown time and time again, he doesn't have respect for anyone (MLG, TSL, etc.), and the GSL is not taking that bullshit. He needs to learn, one way or another. If this punishment makes him never want to return to GSL, then that's his decision. Like I said, personally, this is a bit severe, but who's to say how serious this is by Korean standards? | ||
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kcbgoku
Poland156 Posts
You can not compare this situation with a friendly sport event. Let's take a friendly football match. The REAL football, the one when you actually kick the ball with your foot all the time... 1. They always pick reserve players to play anyways. 2. The match is actually limited by time, so it would be stupid to sit on grass for 90 minutes. 3. Players have a lot of time between matches, they don't play one after one in one day. What I'm saying here is - they are not exhausted, they have a proper mindset and reserve players probably want to show their best. | ||
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Zerksys
United States569 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:33 Puosu wrote: kespa? is that you? WIN Anyways IMO Naniwa should get a talking to, but I don't feel that this was 100 percent his fault. The stupid format mandating two players to play each other who have no opportunity to advance caused this. Also the rule about being abusive and disrespectful in the history of starcraft progamming. Boxer vs. Yellow - Nukes everywhere (this one is debatable) FBH dancing ceremonies Pylon hearts anyone? More recently in sc2 - banter - dropping mules at the end of a long tvx game - dancing your units. Anyways naniwa needed to be punished but this was not the way to do it. | ||
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LiquiidTAP
Australia12 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:44 ChuCky.Ca wrote: cya dont let the door hit u on the way out Exactly, all these people crying about what GOMTV did and threatening to stop watching. LOL Don't kid yourself. Where else are you going to go to watch the highest level of Starcraft 2?? Nowhere!! And also let me point out that Foreign tournaments wasn't as appealing as the GSL until the Koreans started to go to foreign events and started winning everything. (well mostly) | ||
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Zalitara
Norway361 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:23 ilimor wrote: Which is being investegated... If it can be proven that foul play was involved there will be severe consequenses. No one thinks Dinamo Zagreb losing on purpose is okay, so please stop making things up.Oh you mean like when Dinamo Zagreb loses a game with 1-7 in champions league? wich was perfectly okay and that match meant alot for other teams that lost/gained lots of millions cause of that result | ||
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Sleed
Canada181 Posts
Gom acted based on their context/culture, Korean were shocked, the punishment is fair, and Gom had no choice but to take actions. | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:36 Yaki wrote: At least he won't ever do something stupid like that again. I wouldn't bet money on it tbh. | ||
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Zechs
United Kingdom321 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:42 Zerksys wrote: WIN Anyways IMO Naniwa should get a talking to, but I don't feel that this was 100 percent his fault. The stupid format mandating two players to play each other who have no opportunity to advance caused this. Also the rule about being abusive and disrespectful in the history of starcraft progamming. Boxer vs. Yellow - Nukes everywhere (this one is debatable) FBH dancing ceremonies Pylon hearts anyone? More recently in sc2 - banter - dropping mules at the end of a long tvx game - dancing your units. Anyways naniwa needed to be punished but this was not the way to do it. Right, this is completely arbirtrary from GOM. How is dropping MULEs - gloating - more respectful giving your opponent a free win in a meaningless game? I would argue that mule dropping is in fact far more disrespectful but it's accepted as commonplace. The problem GOM now has is where do you draw the line between not trying your hardest and giving up entirely? If you think every players tries 100% in every game you're sorely mistaken. I'm far from a Naniwa fanboy, but this is very poor form shown by GOM. And if you're arrogant enough to think that he should be there to entertain you, well look around at the pages and pages of drama. You could argue that he's been more entertaining than any SC2 player thus far. | ||
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Cep
Germany41 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:33 Puosu wrote: kespa? is that you? if kespa ran the gsl, naniwa would've been thrown out right away. you guys should stop bitchn GomTV. they've done a ton of things for foreign players. you should start looking at the greater picture of naniwas actions and what it caused. | ||
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duracell
53 Posts
He didn't think through his actions, and should be punished for it. This can easily lead to negative exposure to sponsors, which greatly affect such a young esport. Whether he meant to or not, he is potentially causing monetary damage to GOM and they have every right to reprimand him in a way they see fit. If he did the clearly appropriate thing, which was to play the game, he would not be punished whatsoever. Since he chose to make a murky action for whatever reason (lazy, emotional, trying to look cool, etc) he has to be prepared that there is a chance something can happen to him. | ||
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DrMosh
United Kingdom26 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:51 Cep wrote: if kespa ran the gsl, naniwa would've been thrown out right away. you guys should stop bitchn GomTV. they've done a ton of things for foreign players. you should start looking at the greater picture of naniwas actions and what it caused. What did his actions cause that is so terrible, or worse than what gom has done in lots of people's opinion | ||
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LiquiidTAP
Australia12 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:39 DrMosh wrote: Again, this analogy is flawed since it is entirely common in soccer to not take important games seriously. You're already 5-0 in your group, field the b-team since you're already through. Similarly, you're 0-5 in your group, field the b-team because it no longer matters. The same even holds for matches as important as 3rd and 4th place in the world cup. Think for a minute before saying dumb shit Yes this may be true, but they still play the game as usually. In Naniwa's incident, he a-moved his probes to Nestea's base and sat in his chair with folded arms. In no way is that professional, and is bad sportsmanship, especially in Korean where they take gaming very seriously. I totally understand your statement claiming soccer fielding their b-team. But never does the b-team walk onto the field and sat on the ground for the duration of the match. They will play the game out as normal. Now Naniwa did not just there but he might as well have. | ||
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-Dustin-
United States718 Posts
I mean he disrespects MLG, Someone said KSL I don't know myself though and now GSL. Hes far from professional, if he would mature a little bit I don't see any reason not to give his code S back, but currently he doesn't deserve it. If hes going to throw games or insult the tournaments on a whim just because he didn't want to play the game, or they accidentally loaded the wrong map. I'm glad he got punished I wanted him to be punished at MLG. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:46 LiquiidTAP wrote: Exactly, all these people crying about what GOMTV did and threatening to stop watching. LOL Don't kid yourself. Where else are you going to go to watch the highest level of Starcraft 2?? Nowhere!! And also let me point out that Foreign tournaments wasn't as appealing as the GSL until the Koreans started to go to foreign events and started winning everything. (well mostly) That's exactly the point. Now, we can watch korean players at every tournamenets. It's not just GSL any more. Boycotting it was not possible... it is, now. | ||
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Zechs
United Kingdom321 Posts
On December 14 2011 21:53 duracell wrote: For everyone saying he had to rest, executing a 4 gate takes a couple minutes and almost no effort at all from someone who knows it in and out. He didn't think through his actions, and should be punished for it. This can easily lead to negative exposure to sponsors, which greatly affect such a young esport. Whether he meant to or not, he is potentially causing monetary damage to GOM and they have every right to reprimand him in a way they see fit. If he did the clearly appropriate thing, which was to play the game, he would not be punished whatsoever. Since he chose to make a murky action for whatever reason (lazy, emotional, trying to look cool, etc) he has to be prepared that there is a chance something can happen to him. What's the difference between a poorly executed 4gate to end the game asap and what he did? Essentially, there is no difference. The game was 100% meaningless and he was obvoiusly in a bad frame of mind from going out of the tournament. Hell, in previous iterations of GSL that match wouldn't have even been played. | ||
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TATTOO
Canada33 Posts
I wouldnt be so bothered by the situation if GOM stayed professional when punishing some1 for not being professional. Nani's decision was inappropriate but guess what no1 gave a shit about that game at that point. there is alot more to be judged by either parties actions afterwards but all in all i just cant understand GOMs reasoning on letting its employs slander some1 for acting unprofessional. both GOM and nani seem to be experiencing massive lapses in judgment. | ||
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