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This time I can't help but agree with GOMtv, even if the punishment seems unproportionate.
Personally I would have done it like Jinro already suggested, but it's up to them to decide.
If you want to be regarded as the best tournament in the world, you can't let the players do whatever they want.
They have a responsability towards the viewers: if I had stayed up without sleeping just to see that game and then be disappointed I wouldn't have been pleased.
If someone is to blame, then it's Naniwa: even if his actions have a motivation (although I sure don't agree), he could have just tried to cannon rush or proxy 2 gates to keep the games short but at the same time plausible and without spoiling any strategies.
Quite silly, but hey: a player is someone who actually plays games.
And GOMtv makes money thanks to people who want to watch games.
They simply couldn't let it pass.
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On December 14 2011 21:21 EU.Pink wrote:
This is so absurd - how can a non-viable strategy possible be regarded as offending to the player and/or audience. There are so many ways to throw a game intentionally, just because he chose the obvious one he gets banned from code S? CoCa gave free win in a tournament to his opponent after he won the game and that doesn't start 1/10th the drama.
he also got punished immediatly by his team....
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On December 14 2011 21:18 Monsen wrote:
I don't get it- some of you really seem to think that a game only should be played "if it mattered".
Take football for example: GASP there are plenty of "friendly" matches between the national teams, that still get televised and pull plenty of viewers. The latest friendly between the Netherlands and Germany was all over the news, "OMFG" I hear you say, "THE GAME DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, THEY SHOULD JUST THROW THAT BALL OVER THE FENCE AND LEAVE".
Which is exactly what Naniwa did.
The severity of the punishment can be argued, but the need for one can not.
Personally I just think Naniwa is literally incapable of understanding these matters. Maybe some mild asbergers or something- you'd think he'd have gotten the message by now.
Oh you mean like when Dinamo Zagreb loses a game with 1-7 in champions league? wich was perfectly okay and that match meant alot for other teams that lost/gained lots of millions cause of that result
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On December 14 2011 21:21 EU.Pink wrote:
This is so absurd - how can a non-viable strategy possible be regarded as offending to the player and/or audience. There are so many ways to throw a game intentionally, just because he chose the obvious one he gets banned from code S? CoCa gave free win in a tournament to his opponent after he won the game and that doesn't start 1/10th the drama.
Actually he did start quite a drama. Coca did have to give up his Code S spot too (about the same level of punishment as Naniwa got), it just isnt as voiced out as the Naniwa one cause its mostly within korea whereas this one involves a fairly popular Foreign player.
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To all of the people who keep DEFENDING NANIWA BY CRYING, "OH HE TRIED SO HARD, HE'S DEDICATED, HE'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY, HE'S PRACTICED HIS POOR HEART OUT FOR ALL THIS,", will you please REALIZE that IF he was more about the COMPETITION and the SPORT, and trying to the THE VERY BEST LIKE NO ONE EVER WAS, that he WOULD HAVE PLAYED NESTEA. I certainly KNOW that NaNiwa is big on practicing hard and being the best, and he's not about the money, so WHY does NOT advancing suddenly mean NOT PLAYING?
You're on the most prestigious stage of Starcraft II playing against arguably the best Zerg player in the world and trying to prove that your win against him on foreign soil wasn't a fluke, yet you don't want to play? "Oh that match didn't matter," oh really? Do your fans matter? Your pride? Going 1-3 is certainly better than 0-4 is it not? What on earth are you people thinking, trying to justify his actions? Really, people? I wish I could have a little more faith, truly. Stop making excuses for him, he obviously doesn't care about anything but himself. Let the poor guy rest, yeah? He needs it so badly apparently.
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On December 14 2011 18:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
GOM TV, sinking to Naniwa's level. Sweet sweet drama.
As if yesterday's drama wasn't big enough..... :D What will tomorrow bring?
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On December 14 2011 21:23 ilimor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 21:18 Monsen wrote:
I don't get it- some of you really seem to think that a game only should be played "if it mattered".
Take football for example: GASP there are plenty of "friendly" matches between the national teams, that still get televised and pull plenty of viewers. The latest friendly between the Netherlands and Germany was all over the news, "OMFG" I hear you say, "THE GAME DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, THEY SHOULD JUST THROW THAT BALL OVER THE FENCE AND LEAVE".
Which is exactly what Naniwa did.
The severity of the punishment can be argued, but the need for one can not.
Personally I just think Naniwa is literally incapable of understanding these matters. Maybe some mild asbergers or something- you'd think he'd have gotten the message by now. Oh you mean like when Dinamo Zagreb loses a game with 1-7 in champions league? wich was perfectly okay and that match meant alot for other teams that lost/gained lots of millions cause of that result
Indeed, Ajax got fucked pretty hard, robbed of millions. Naniwa hasn't done anyone any harm whatsoever. If he just 4 gated nobody would've given a shit.
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On December 14 2011 21:24 b0rt_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 18:44 Manifesto7 wrote:
GOM TV, sinking to Naniwa's level. Sweet sweet drama. As if yesterday's drama wasn't big enough..... :D What will tomorrow bring?
"Idra Code S seed revoked for tweeting in support of Naniwa" perhaps? jks
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On December 14 2011 21:24 HyperLethality wrote:
To all of the people who keep DEFENDING NANIWA BY CRYING, "OH HE TRIED SO HARD, HE'S DEDICATED, HE'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY, HE'S PRACTICED HIS POOR HEART OUT FOR ALL THIS,", will you please REALIZE that IF he was more about the COMPETITION and the SPORT, and trying to the THE VERY BEST LIKE NO ONE EVER WAS, that he WOULD HAVE PLAYED NESTEA. I certainly KNOW that NaNiwa is big on practicing hard and being the best, and he's not about the money, so WHY does NOT advancing suddenly mean NOT PLAYING?
You're on the most prestigious stage of Starcraft II playing against arguably the best Zerg player in the world and trying to prove that your win against him on foreign soil wasn't a fluke, yet you don't want to play? "Oh that match didn't matter," oh really? Do your fans matter? Your pride? Going 1-3 is certainly better than 0-4 is it not? What on earth are you people thinking, trying to justify his actions? Really, people? I wish I could have a little more faith, truly. Stop making excuses for him, he obviously doesn't care about anything but himself. Let the poor guy rest, yeah? He needs it so badly apparently.
And revoking his code S seed is a way to go?
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How is this bad by GOM? The only thing you could possibly be pissed at them for is enforcing a rule retroactively, but the rule, ("Act like a professional") isn't exactly a tough one to imagine. It's clearly the right thing for GOM to do to make it clear to players that they have to at least LOOK like they're trying to play a game. You think Kobe Bryant wouldn't face repercussions if he just walked off the court midway through the last game of the regular season if his team had been eliminated from the playoffs already?
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On December 14 2011 21:18 Monsen wrote:
I don't get it- some of you really seem to think that a game only should be played "if it mattered".
Take football for example: GASP there are plenty of "friendly" matches between the national teams, that still get televised and pull plenty of viewers. The latest friendly between the Netherlands and Germany was all over the news, "OMFG" I hear you say, "THE GAME DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, THEY SHOULD JUST THROW THAT BALL OVER THE FENCE AND LEAVE".
Which is exactly what Naniwa did.
Your analogy is entirely flawed, and in fact, plain wrong. What about group games in big tournaments? Teams field their B-Teams if they know they have already qualified for the next round, as well as teams that known they have failed to qualify.
It's so entirely common in real world sports to not pay as much attention to non-important games as vital qualifiers or finals that it's a non-issue.
And your exampled with germany vs. netherlands is even further flawed since those game are a matter of national pride and as such in many ways equally important as major tournaments.
And finally, if a player threw a ball over a fence they would get a red card and banned for at least the next 2 games.
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On December 14 2011 21:16 kcbgoku wrote:
I don't get this decision by GOM. This doesn't make any sense to me at all.
This punishment is way too much. I think he needs to feel that there are consequences. A warning would be essentially no punishment at all.
Throwing a game that way is essentially a "feck you!", to the viewers who paid, the viewers who were in the room, to the production crew, commentators, and the other player who's time is wasted. It's okay to hand out a punishment so that hopefully never happens again in the GSL. I mostly feel bad for Nestea.
Aside from this, I am also disappointed by Naniwa's level of commitment. He had the chance to finish at least oh 4th place, if he could take a map off Nestea. That would be an achievement nonetheless. Even if he lost that game, it would be a practice session versus one of the best zergs out there. His actions were also bad for the reputation of the team he recently joined, but that's a matter beside the Gom reaction.
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quote form another thread
On December 14 2011 21:29 jyisvip wrote:
Wait a minute... I just found this on twitter from Ethan_Ahn
NaNiwa는 애초에 코드S 시드가 아니었습니다. '만약 어제 그런 행동이 없었다면 시드를 줄 수 있었을지도 모른다'가 맞습니다. 많은 분들이 MLG프로비던스에서 코드S 시드가 나온 것으로 알고 계시지만 없었습니다. #GSL #SC2
54 minutes ago
Basically saying:
Naniwa wasn't seeded to Code S to begin with; people think he got the seed from MLG Providence but that is not the case. It was more like if he hadn't done what he did, it was likely that he could of received the Code S seed. All they have done is restricting naniwa from receiving the Code S seed (not revoking the code s seed)
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On December 14 2011 21:18 Monsen wrote:
I don't get it- some of you really seem to think that a game only should be played "if it mattered".
Take football for example: GASP there are plenty of "friendly" matches between the national teams, that still get televised and pull plenty of viewers. The latest friendly between the Netherlands and Germany was all over the news, "OMFG" I hear you say, "THE GAME DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, THEY SHOULD JUST THROW THAT BALL OVER THE FENCE AND LEAVE".
Which is exactly what Naniwa did.
The severity of the punishment can be argued, but the need for one can not.
Personally I just think Naniwa is literally incapable of understanding these matters. Maybe some mild asbergers or something- you'd think he'd have gotten the message by now.
edit: Also, "putting on a show" is also part of a professionals job. Seriously, how often have you read the phrase "I want to show good games" in pro gamer interviews?
how are you not banned for this? what has an illness got to do with anything? seriously you need to learn some respect before you talk about other people
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I LOVE how some people are saying "goodbye GSL" and "I will no longer watch GSL" because of what they did and said. I am a Australian-Korean and I know that Koreans take gaming very seriously. Naniwa is very unprofessional and has no integrity. Wouldn't everyone here be upset if it was for example a "SOCCER GAME" and losing side was down 0-5 goals and there was only 5 minutes left and they didn't think there was no use because they already lost and just stopped playing and walked off the field???? Or what if they started kicking own goals for the fun of it??
What Naniwa did shows bad sportsmanship and he deserved what he got.
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they didnt revoke, but rather restrict him from receiving? that's just bullshit. guy placed #2 over their top players. how bout some respect for the foreign community?
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I'm not supporting the GSL any longer and i've bought every ticket from season 1.
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GomTV === Kespa.... no more money from me thank you!
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