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I feel that the ammount of people watching NASL, compared to GSL (the other SC2 liquibet league) are very few. I believe that much fewer people analyze and keep track of NASL games and it's players results. That, in addition to the additional latency players suffer due to overseas play makes it very hard to place a bet with comfort. Honestly, I see no reason for NASL to be on liquibets. I would much rather see the MLG / DH / IPL (main tournament) group play games there if anything.
This is a problem because if you don't place most of the bets you can't get remotely close to winning.
To be clear: I have no problem with NASL, only with NASL being on liquibets.
Poll: Which of the following do you follow?GSL (177) 76% Both (46) 20% NASL (9) 4% 232 total votes Your vote: Which of the following do you follow? (Vote): GSL (Vote): NASL (Vote): Both
Poll: Do you think NASL should be on liquibets?No (166) 62% Yes (76) 28% I'm not sure (27) 10% 269 total votes Your vote: Do you think NASL should be on liquibets? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): I'm not sure
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I don't think they need to be removed per se, they could also make a system to choose which tournaments to bet on. I stopped liquibetting due to the number of liquibets I had to make (I like to read up on the players so it took too much time) But I'm all for less liquibets.
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It's a big tournament with big names. I say keep it.
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I actually think it's great for liquibets. The MUs are always complex and normally not very ez to decide on. I really enjoy logging on to TL to test my knowledge. I do understand your argument though, there are some flaws w/ betting such as the latency, which you brought up. No one is forcing you to bet on them so don't if you don't support it ^_^
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I honestly don't have a problem with NASL being on the Liquibets, my main problem is, there are plenty of times certain players emerge from a slump reborn, or begin slumping, or there's a balance shift, or a patch etc, and the fact that NASL games are replays and the information on when the game was played is not publicly available makes it tough to bet with 100% of the scenarios considered.
I know there are plenty of people who don't Liquibet, or look at the Liquibets and just pick one, etc. but for people like myself that take the Liquibets semi-seriously, it's tough to be accurate about the NASL bets compared to the GSL.
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On November 02 2011 05:19 VirgilSC2 wrote: the fact that NASL games are replays I thought the NASL casted the games live, but aired them the next day.
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On November 02 2011 05:23 SFX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:19 VirgilSC2 wrote: the fact that NASL games are replays I thought the NASL casted the games live, but aired them the next day. Yes, NASL games are never old enough to make Liquibetting any harder...
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My problem with NASL in liquibet is like someone above said games are from a week back or something often so its hard to work out what condition some players are in (mainly the inconsistent ones), also i find a lot of people dont seem to take the nasl as seriously? at least sometimes games seem off more than usual and occasionally no showing alltogether (im not sure if bets invalid if no show maybe this is already dealt with?)
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My liquibet accuracy for the NASL is 70% compared to my 62% for Code S and 40~% for Code A. I've found NASL to be a hell of a lot easier to call than the GSL.
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I think it should only be GSL
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On November 02 2011 05:24 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:23 SFX wrote:On November 02 2011 05:19 VirgilSC2 wrote: the fact that NASL games are replays I thought the NASL casted the games live, but aired them the next day. Yes, NASL games are never old enough to make Liquibetting any harder... That is completely false. The games are not always aired the next day.
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Never thought of removing it really. I never watch the NASL, except for the finals of course, the GSL is 10 times better. Still, I don't think you need to remove it from Liquibet, even if I don't watch the games, I can still have a reasonable estimation of the outcome. Just because you're not dedicated enought to watch the games themselves doesn't have to mean you're not gonna check up the results after. (I know I do at least.)
I say keep the Liquibet, even though it is, indeed, not even remotely close to the entertainment value of GSL.
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Take it out. The NASL liquibets are way too easy compared to the ones from GSL.
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I have 21 unvoted on liquibets. I always made sure to vote when it was GSL only but NASL just seems to flood the page and I honestly don't care about the league enough to take the 30 seconds to vote on it.
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Poll: Do you think NASL should be on liquibets? <-- why not a "don't care" option ?
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As a rule of thumb, vote for the Europeans. If two Europeans playing against each other, vote for the one that lives in Ukraine or near by.
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On November 02 2011 05:29 Tenks wrote: I have 21 unvoted on liquibets. I always made sure to vote when it was GSL only but NASL just seems to flood the page and I honestly don't care about the league enough to take the 30 seconds to vote on it. I think that sums it up pretty much.
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On November 02 2011 05:30 zhurai wrote: Poll: Do you think NASL should be on liquibets? <-- why not a "don't care" option ?
think hard and I'm sure even you'll figure that out
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I say keep it in. It doesn't really do any harm, and its nice to vote on foreign players. Its literally the only foreign tournament we can do a liquibet for. Besides, NASL doesn't flood the page anywhere near the up/down matches.
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I was really interested in Liquibets for a while and then quit when they started listing NASL games because I just couldn't keep up with the number of matches. I'd like it if the NASL games were taken back out.
I'd rather see MLG or IPL games in Liquibets, since those are real tournaments, and let the NASL finals be in there too. It's just the league games that are too much.
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It's ridiculous to try to guess who's going to win a game that was played a week ago, or two or maybe even three.
You hear that Cruncher goes inactive but you don't know if he's still playing his games or if they were played before or what happened. You've got a player that was slumping heavily three weeks ago but has figured things out now... do you bet on him or not? It's basically just a guessing game instead of an actual test of knowledge.
The integrity of the Liquibet is in question, too. Who's to say that someone who knows a player in the NASL personally won't get help with his Liquibet? Or users on the website like iNcontroL who have to bet on their own games which have already been played. I'm not accusing iNcontroL of anything and maybe he refrains from placing bets on his own games but that isn't exactly fair to him either. He should have an equal opportunity for points as everyone else on this site.
Liquibet isn't serious business at all so it doesn't matter. But I'd honestly prefer to have NASL taken out since the games are not played anywhere close to live, games turn out to be walkovers far too often, and there isn't enough transparency from NASL on what and when is exactly going on in their league when it comes to the games.
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I lose a lot of points because of the NASL (I do pretty good with the GSL usually), so i'd say remove it ahahah. I really don't follow the NASL at all.
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NASL is something i do vote on but i never watch or follow it. I rather it be taken off liquibets and leave only GSL and other major tournaments.
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On November 02 2011 05:30 zhurai wrote: Poll: Do you think NASL should be on liquibets? <-- why not a "don't care" option ?
There is, you don't vote.
If you're one of the people that doesn't care, or doesn't use liquibets then this doesn't affect you at all.
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This is actually really funny. I pulled up TL, saw that I had 15 new liquibets, thought to myself, "God, they really need to not put every single NASL matchup on Liquibet." Then looked down at forums and saw a thread titled, Should NASL really be a part of Liquibet.?" HAHAHA
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I don't really have an issue with the NASL liquibets. Mainly because I like to know the results of players I voted for
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On November 02 2011 05:18 Wesso wrote: I don't think they need to be removed per se, they could also make a system to choose which tournaments to bet on. I stopped liquibetting due to the number of liquibets I had to make (I like to read up on the players so it took too much time) But I'm all for less liquibets.
exactly my opionen as well on the topic
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They do not air the games the day after they are cast. They may cast the games the day after they are played though.
Some games will be weeks off. You can tell by patches how old the games are occasionally. Other players have stated the games were played weeks earlier.
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On November 02 2011 05:31 TigerKarl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 05:29 Tenks wrote: I have 21 unvoted on liquibets. I always made sure to vote when it was GSL only but NASL just seems to flood the page and I honestly don't care about the league enough to take the 30 seconds to vote on it. I think that sums it up pretty much.
I agree as well. Used to watch NASL for some of the korean stars, but stopped in season 2. Would like to see more tournament choices such as WCG.
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lol @ this poll thats just ridiculous
so the majority says that they will rather PAY to see matches of KOREANS at UNWATCHABLE TIMES than the matches of the TOP FOREIGNERS who play in a league with A LOT OF GAMES and FOR A HUGE PRIZEPOOL at PERFECTLY WATCHABLE TIMES and WITH A REBROADCAST
thats quite odd
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I don't see any reason to remove NASL as long as it has a relatively high number of talented players in it. I watch both the GSL and NASL (as much as I can).
I also am unsure why people are saying things like:
It's ridiculous to try to guess who's going to win a game that was played a week ago, or two or maybe even three.
Has something changed? I thought it was a day or two, not weeks. At least last I heard.
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I'm fine with it, more bets is better imo, but they could of chose a better tournament for sure. MLG is too hectic and weird too follow (I feel at least). I think maybe it has something to do with having tournaments that aren't 1 day-weekend events as LB's? That would explain why they haven't done it for any MLG or Dreamhack event so far. But i'm not sure.
for invite events like asus rog, or Dreamhack 8 man invitationals though I feel could be cool to have LB's for, as it's a very small set of matches. Have each match give 2 points in the ro8, and increase it as the invite goes?
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I don't see why not. It's got the same calibre of Korean/Int'l players in it, and it's thoroughly enjoyable.
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On November 02 2011 05:38 sVnteen wrote: lol @ this poll thats just ridiculous
so the majority says that they will rather PAY to see matches of KOREANS at UNWATCHABLE TIMES than the matches of the TOP FOREIGNERS who play in a league with A LOT OF GAMES and FOR A HUGE PRIZEPOOL at PERFECTLY WATCHABLE TIMES and WITH A REBROADCAST
thats quite odd
You ever heard of VODs? :D
And also, that goes to show that the GSL atleast is deserving of being on liquibets. Great production, greater players.
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All I know is that I hate waking up and finding 20 liquibets to be made. Super annoying z_z
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Lol this is so retarded.. ideally you would have a change to bet in all tournaments but saying NASL needs to be removed it's just silly.
If you don't like it don't vote on it..
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On November 02 2011 05:38 MattyClutch wrote:I don't see any reason to remove NASL as long as it has a relatively high number of talented players in it. I watch both the GSL and NASL (as much as I can). I also am unsure why people are saying things like: Show nested quote +It's ridiculous to try to guess who's going to win a game that was played a week ago, or two or maybe even three. Has something changed? I thought it was a day or two, not weeks. At least last I heard. They are dine weeks in advance this season. That's the biggest problem with nasl and liquidbet. The games are just old so its hard to accurately judge those games.
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