I feel that the ammount of people watching NASL, compared to GSL (the other SC2 liquibet league) are very few. I believe that much fewer people analyze and keep track of NASL games and it's players results. That, in addition to the additional latency players suffer due to overseas play makes it very hard to place a bet with comfort. Honestly, I see no reason for NASL to be on liquibets. I would much rather see the MLG / DH / IPL (main tournament) group play games there if anything.

This is a problem because if you don't place most of the bets you can't get remotely close to winning.

To be clear: I have no problem with NASL, only with NASL being on liquibets.

Poll: Which of the following do you follow?

GSL (177)

76%

Both (46)

20%

NASL (9)

4%

232 total votes

Your vote: Which of the following do you follow?

(Vote): GSL
(Vote): NASL
(Vote): Both

Poll: Do you think NASL should be on liquibets?

No (166)

62%

Yes (76)

28%

I'm not sure (27)

10%

269 total votes

Your vote: Do you think NASL should be on liquibets?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): I'm not sure

Wesso

Netherlands1245 Posts

November 01 2011 20:18 GMT

I don't think they need to be removed per se, they could also make a system to choose which tournaments to bet on. I stopped liquibetting due to the number of liquibets I had to make (I like to read up on the players so it took too much time) But I'm all for less liquibets.

Gamegene

United States8308 Posts

November 01 2011 20:18 GMT

It's a big tournament with big names. I say keep it.

ZisforZerg

United States224 Posts

November 01 2011 20:18 GMT

I actually think it's great for liquibets. The MUs are always complex and normally not very ez to decide on. I really enjoy logging on to TL to test my knowledge. I do understand your argument though, there are some flaws w/ betting such as the latency, which you brought up. No one is forcing you to bet on them so don't if you don't support it ^_^

VirgilSC2

United States6151 Posts

November 01 2011 20:19 GMT

I honestly don't have a problem with NASL being on the Liquibets, my main problem is, there are plenty of times certain players emerge from a slump reborn, or begin slumping, or there's a balance shift, or a patch etc, and the fact that NASL games are replays and the information on when the game was played is not publicly available makes it tough to bet with 100% of the scenarios considered.

I know there are plenty of people who don't Liquibet, or look at the Liquibets and just pick one, etc. but for people like myself that take the Liquibets semi-seriously, it's tough to be accurate about the NASL bets compared to the GSL.

Skamtet

Canada634 Posts

November 01 2011 20:20 GMT

Why not?

SFX

United States89 Posts

November 01 2011 20:23 GMT

On November 02 2011 05:19 VirgilSC2 wrote:
the fact that NASL games are replays

I thought the NASL casted the games live, but aired them the next day.

ZAiNs

United Kingdom6525 Posts

November 01 2011 20:24 GMT

On November 02 2011 05:23 SFX wrote:

Show nested quote +

I thought the NASL casted the games live, but aired them the next day.

Yes, NASL games are never old enough to make Liquibetting any harder...

nekuodah

England2409 Posts

November 01 2011 20:24 GMT

My problem with NASL in liquibet is like someone above said games are from a week back or something often so its hard to work out what condition some players are in (mainly the inconsistent ones), also i find a lot of people dont seem to take the nasl as seriously? at least sometimes games seem off more than usual and occasionally no showing alltogether (im not sure if bets invalid if no show maybe this is already dealt with?)

Skytt

Scotland333 Posts

November 01 2011 20:25 GMT

#10

My liquibet accuracy for the NASL is 70% compared to my 62% for Code S and 40~% for Code A. I've found NASL to be a hell of a lot easier to call than the GSL.

Noev

United States1105 Posts

November 01 2011 20:26 GMT

#11

There is already a thread about this in the website feedback section

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281599

Tenks

United States3104 Posts

November 01 2011 20:26 GMT

#12

I think it should only be GSL

VirgilSC2

United States6151 Posts

November 01 2011 20:26 GMT

#13

On November 02 2011 05:24 ZAiNs wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yes, NASL games are never old enough to make Liquibetting any harder...

That is completely false. The games are not always aired the next day.

HaXXspetten

Sweden15718 Posts

November 01 2011 20:27 GMT

#14

Never thought of removing it really. I never watch the NASL, except for the finals of course, the GSL is 10 times better. Still, I don't think you need to remove it from Liquibet, even if I don't watch the games, I can still have a reasonable estimation of the outcome. Just because you're not dedicated enought to watch the games themselves doesn't have to mean you're not gonna check up the results after. (I know I do at least.)

I say keep the Liquibet, even though it is, indeed, not even remotely close to the entertainment value of GSL.

ItsMeDomLee

Canada2732 Posts

November 01 2011 20:28 GMT

#15

Take it out. The NASL liquibets are way too easy compared to the ones from GSL.

Tenks

United States3104 Posts

November 01 2011 20:29 GMT

#16

I have 21 unvoted on liquibets. I always made sure to vote when it was GSL only but NASL just seems to flood the page and I honestly don't care about the league enough to take the 30 seconds to vote on it.

zhurai

United States5660 Posts

November 01 2011 20:30 GMT

#17

Poll: Do you think NASL should be on liquibets? <-- why not a "don't care" option ?

namste

Finland2292 Posts

November 01 2011 20:31 GMT

#18

As a rule of thumb, vote for the Europeans. If two Europeans playing against each other, vote for the one that lives in Ukraine or near by.

TigerKarl

1757 Posts

November 01 2011 20:31 GMT

#19

On November 02 2011 05:29 Tenks wrote:
I have 21 unvoted on liquibets. I always made sure to vote when it was GSL only but NASL just seems to flood the page and I honestly don't care about the league enough to take the 30 seconds to vote on it.

I think that sums it up pretty much.