EPTDid anyone else order a gsl shirt and have not received it in 2+ months with no word from the company?
StarcraftMecca GSL shirt...
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
Did anyone else order a gsl shirt and have not received it in 2+ months with no word from the company? | ||
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Calasmere
United Kingdom161 Posts
Seems like SCMecca isn't all too handy in their customer help department. | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
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PopcornColonel
United States769 Posts
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
 edit: this reddit thread has intresting replies to the same topic: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/ljvlj/starcraftmecca_scammed_me_proof_documents_inside/ | ||
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
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Calm
Canada380 Posts
IMO, this witch-hunt needs to stop. Dragging a 3k post TL vet's name through the mud doesn't fly here afaik, and if the mods weren't busy with Blizzcon I could very well seeing this thread getting closed. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On October 23 2011 05:52 Calm wrote: Dragging a 3k post TL vet's name through the mud doesn't fly here afaik, and if the mods weren't busy with Blizzcon I could very well seeing this thread getting closed. Apparently you aren't reading the entire thread, because it's not just "dragging his name through the mud." Multiple people are claiming to have issues with him. Sorry, but Blizzcon shouldn't be a bigger priority than running his business. Let's be real here. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On October 23 2011 05:52 Calm wrote: That reddit thread is pretty dumb... Sounds like the issue is shipping for the cheapest amount possible to slovenia. @PopcornColonel, your statements are defamatory and have no basis. There are infinitely more people who receive their orders from SCM than those who don't. It's the weekend of Blizzcon, I would think that the people of SCM are in California and that's why you're not getting your order. International shipping from Korea is tough. That's why there aren't that many places that will do it. IMO, this witch-hunt needs to stop. Dragging a 3k post TL vet's name through the mud doesn't fly here afaik, and if the mods weren't busy with Blizzcon I could very well seeing this thread getting closed. Are you saying that people shouldn't complain when their order is processed for over a month and isn't received, and the person they bought it from is not returning e-mails or other forms of contact? | ||
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On October 23 2011 05:58 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Apparently you aren't reading the entire thread, because it's not just "dragging his name through the mud." Multiple people are claiming to have issues with him. Sorry, but Blizzcon shouldn't be a bigger priority than running his business. Let's be real here. Also there's the fact that having 3k posts doesn't actually mean anything. I can go post in the live report threads like 100 times a night for a few weeks and surpass that 3k posts... it doesn't mean I deserve any more respect lol. Starcraft Mecca has always been run quite poorly, not like a real business. He takes orders, and then after ordering period closes, he orders the shirts from the company that makes them, and then after he receives the shirts he's supposed to mail them out across the world... lol this is silly. If he wants a real business he should order shirts, have them in stock, and ship them out immediately when he gets payment from users. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 23 2011 06:01 CanucksJC wrote: I made a payment on November 23rd, 2010. Today it is October 22nd, 2011. I still have not received anything from StarcraftMecca... I filed a refund around 2 months ago, and have been checking my account every day, still no refund... Just want my money back k thanks. i am having the same problem and same dates aswell i think it is with the OZ order and it is quite a bit of money .... .he also made several comments about "you will have it tommorow" and then months later still nothing but i know he is not a scammer atleast i hope | ||
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BluePotion
Indonesia35 Posts
On October 23 2011 02:07 ishyishy wrote: Maybe I should put in an appeal from paypal? or it might be too late and my $35 is gone...? I think Paypal only give you 45 days (from the day you sent the payment ) to file in a dispute about non delivered good (something like that). I never actually got this kind of problem in online shopping, but I put in my mind, if I don't receive a shipment notification in a week, I will send email to the seller. If still no shipment for another one week for whatever reason, I will ask a refund right away (I don't care about the seller reason anymore, because this is a sign of a bad business between buyer and seller). | ||
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 23 2011 06:22 FryktSkyene wrote: Hes scamming people? What a douche. he is not scamming people it is more like he does not know how to run a company and doesnt have the time to run it, but he made it seem like he did. so when a deal fell through ( OZ orders ) he was slapped with refunds and i am guessing he got a bit greedy and spend most of the money before he actually shipped anything.so now he has to refund thousands of dollars but no bank to actually refund it all. so that leaves people like me (400 dollars ) in the situation of him not being able to refund but no longer able to file a dispute cause of the time passed.at first it was all good cause he kept in touch via site / pms on TL / emails but lately it has been complete lights out and havent heard of k0re in weeks. and to hear he went to IPL when he owes you 400 dollars is a bit of a slap in the face to say the least. | ||
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ubreakubuy
United States100 Posts
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JLew
Canada353 Posts
On October 23 2011 05:52 Calm wrote: That reddit thread is pretty dumb... Sounds like the issue is shipping for the cheapest amount possible to slovenia. @PopcornColonel, your statements are defamatory and have no basis. There are infinitely more people who receive their orders from SCM than those who don't. It's the weekend of Blizzcon, I would think that the people of SCM are in California and that's why you're not getting your order. International shipping from Korea is tough. That's why there aren't that many places that will do it. IMO, this witch-hunt needs to stop. Dragging a 3k post TL vet's name through the mud doesn't fly here afaik, and if the mods weren't busy with Blizzcon I could very well seeing this thread getting closed. I don't think it's a witch hunt..it is a guy complaining that he never got the goods he paid for. And I don't think your statement about more people receiving their orders than people who don't is legit either, I know a handful of people who have all ordered stuff from the site and never received it. Some were fortunate enough to receive a refund but for others it has been over a year and no response. Your logic is a little off, I don't think it would matter if the guy had 20k posts or was Nazguuls little brother, if he's ripping people off then it's wrong. If it's not intentional and he has messed up some orders or whatever he needs to be transparent about it and/or respond to people who have given him money. | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On October 23 2011 06:27 Fadetowhite wrote: he is not scamming people it is more like he does not know how to run a company and doesnt have the time to run it, but he made it seem like he did. so when a deal fell through ( OZ orders ) he was slapped with refunds and i am guessing he got a bit greedy and spend most of the money before he actually shipped anything.so now he has to refund thousands of dollars but no bank to actually refund it all. so that leaves people like me (400 dollars ) in the situation of him not being able to refund but no longer able to file a dispute cause of the time passed.at first it was all good cause he kept in touch via site / pms on TL / emails but lately it has been complete lights out and havent heard of k0re in weeks. and to hear he went to IPL when he owes you 400 dollars is a bit of a slap in the face to say the least. This is pretty much it. His heart was always in the right place, it's just that his mind wasn't. He's a good guy for sure, but he got into a business and had a business model that was just not a very good idea. Selling team shirts is great, but you should do it right. Buy the shirts first, and then sell them to people... get a business loan if you have to. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 23 2011 07:05 aike wrote: This is pretty much it. His heart was always in the right place, it's just that his mind wasn't. He's a good guy for sure, but he got into a business and had a business model that was just not a very good idea. Selling team shirts is great, but you should do it right. Buy the shirts first, and then sell them to people... get a business loan if you have to. yea but because he stopped replying alot of people are feeling scammed and thus these posts pop up and he will just no longer sell shirts. And no income means he wont be able to refund anything either which is where we are at now; him not responding anywhere, customers feeling scammed because they have not been refunded yet. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 23 2011 02:01 ishyishy wrote: I ordered one of these 2 months ago. Every time I try to enter the website it says it is down for maintenance. My order has been processed for a little over a month and it is paid for. I have sent several emails looking for some answers but I havent gotten any reply. Did anyone else order a gsl shirt and have not received it in 2+ months with no word from the company? so anyone got a reply yet to any email? i've send several emails and TL pms but still nothing if anyone knows him IRL you should urge him to reply to emails if you can thanks.hoping he reads this thread k0re if you are out there ...reply please. | ||
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sopas
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 24 2011 23:44 sopas wrote: u know it's a good scammer when ppl still say "but he's a good guy" after being scammed. funny he (the owner) is a long time member of TL and helps with a lan on his school, he also has refunded alot of people already so he is a good guy. its just that now that i assume his money ran out for refunds he cant refund the remainder of the people and that is where we stand now  .he also said to me in a email he doesnt actually read mails until the weekend(lol) but according to his TL profile he is very active on this site. so i am hoping we the customers can get a reply out of him in this thread / via mails after reading this thread. | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
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Matkap
Spain627 Posts
On October 24 2011 23:59 Fadetowhite wrote: he (the owner) is a long time member of TL and helps with a lan on his school, he also has refunded alot of people already so he is a good guy. its just that now that i assume his money ran out for refunds he cant refund the remainder of the people and that is where we stand now .he also said to me in a email he doesnt actually read mails until the weekend(lol) but according to his TL profile he is very active on this site. so i am hoping we the customers can get a reply out of him in this thread / via mails after reading this thread. if he went to IPL, then he had to have some money around right? So he musnt be that good.. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 25 2011 00:14 Matkap wrote: if he went to IPL, then he had to have some money around right? So he musnt be that good.. i am hoping for a good reason on that one but it seems to have gone silent around him since.... but i know for a fact that alot of TLers know him in RL so i am hoping they can shake some sense into him. and for the other comment, its not just about international shipping it is also about refunds from an order that failed so he had to refund everyone ( OZ order ). | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
He is anything but a good guy. Even if you ignore the IPL part... not communicating with people is ridiculous. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 25 2011 00:38 DoomsVille wrote: Lol @ calling him a good guy. Tons of people are out money. He is completely unreachable. And he wastes money on vacations to IPL. He is anything but a good guy. Even if you ignore the IPL part... not communicating with people is ridiculous. lets hope he redeems himself then (i have faith in people what can i say) | ||
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-KarakStarcraft-
United States258 Posts
On October 23 2011 06:27 Fadetowhite wrote: he is not scamming people it is more like he does not know how to run a company and doesnt have the time to run it, but he made it seem like he did. so when a deal fell through ( OZ orders ) he was slapped with refunds and i am guessing he got a bit greedy and spend most of the money before he actually shipped anything.so now he has to refund thousands of dollars but no bank to actually refund it all. so that leaves people like me (400 dollars ) in the situation of him not being able to refund but no longer able to file a dispute cause of the time passed.at first it was all good cause he kept in touch via site / pms on TL / emails but lately it has been complete lights out and havent heard of k0re in weeks. and to hear he went to IPL when he owes you 400 dollars is a bit of a slap in the face to say the least. So you're saying he scammed a bunch of people, then. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=kOre | ||
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
I can only hope you all get refunded or receive your items in the end. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 25 2011 01:02 Firesilver wrote: Well I was actually thinking about ordering something from there a couple of weeks back; this has certainly shocked me. Thank you for the heads up. I can only hope you all get refunded or receive your items in the end. the items themselfs are a complete lost cause it seems since OZ disbanded, the last TL post of k0re is like 2 days later than i recieved my last email.... hoping by keeping this thread somewhat alive he will read it. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On October 25 2011 00:59 Primadog wrote: SCmecca owner posts on TL. Let me see if I can find his handle on here. > http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=kOre Posts made in the last week = 0 Ironically, this is his last blog entry: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=243571 | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 25 2011 01:05 carloselcoco wrote: Posts made in the last week = 0 Ironically, this is his last blog entry: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=243571 well if he is a scammer he is a really dumb one since everyone knows all his personal info... | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 25 2011 01:17 DoomsVille wrote: He didn't intend on scamming people at first (IMO). He just has 0 business sense and at some point decided to fuck everyone over to compensate for his mistakes. you dont happen to live anywhere close to him do you ? also on his site he still appears to be doing lan things on his school every wednesday. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On October 25 2011 01:21 Fadetowhite wrote: you dont happen to live anywhere close to him do you ? also on his site he still appears to be doing lan things on his school every wednesday. Nope. But I'm certain there are a ton of TLers that do. | ||
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Calm
Canada380 Posts
I'm sure he'll be refunding people out of pocket if necessary. I think he has a phone number in the signature on his emails, has anyone tried that? Edited for clarity. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 25 2011 01:26 Calm wrote: I'm in the U of C club with him. We meet on wednesday. Afaik, he's not scamming. Those people suggesting he's using SCM money to travel to IPL are really out of line... Though I'm sure he'll be refunding people out of pocket if all of this is true. I think he has a phone number in the signature on his emails, has anyone tried that? slap the shit out of him and tell him to reply here / emails / pms etc etc.... btw are those "midterms" over yet cause i know he used that as an excuse to alot of customers. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On October 25 2011 01:26 Calm wrote: I'm in the U of C club with him. We meet on wednesday. Afaik, he's not scamming. Those people suggesting he's using SCM money to travel to IPL are really out of line... Though I'm sure he'll be refunding people out of pocket if all of this is true. I think he has a phone number in the signature on his emails, has anyone tried that? If he has to refund money out of pocket, then of course he used the SCM money for his own personal use... | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
kOre, the owner of that site tried to do something good for the community, while (presumably) making relatively little profit. I don't think he's ever had a very deep bank account given that he's in his 20's and in school, I believe. 1- The first sale was CJ Entus - he sold various items, including a jacket and some shirts. Unfortunately, the huge boxes were marked as worth $1, which got them held at customs and ultimately forced him to pay additional fees (which perhaps were not calculated into the price he charged his customers). On top of that, one box got opened in transit and some of the merchandise slipped out - we're talking about many jackets which were rather expensive plus shirts. Ultimately, I was lucky and got my jacket (although months late due to MANY various delays) and my shirt which was missing was refunded as store credit - though we had an option to get a direct refund from HIS POCKET. Costs to him (and his partner who left the project later): Customs + Lost items. He's probably losing money overall. 2- Later on there was the Hwaseung sale and I ordered stuff again... Customs held the packages again. They held the stuff for a LONG time because kOre was under investigation for fraud because shipping had taken such a long time and many impatient people filed fraud report. Frankly, I can hardly blame them because k0re is insanely hard to get in touch with sometimes and his answers are not always satisfying. In fact, kOre's estimates were consistently too liberal. After months waiting, kOre finally got to meet with a customs agent or whatever the hell those things are called. Turns out, none of the merchandise had the "made in Korea" tag written on it, which is against some BS Canadian regulations. The merchandise, worth thousands of dollars, got shipped back to Korea. Now, most of the refunds for that merchandise have gone through but the merchandise can't be sold at the same price given that Hwaseung Oz is dead. Plus, shipping to him would cost another few hundreds and importation fees. Costs to him: Everything. Thousands of dollars here, for sure. 3- Slayers sale: Many people ordered, Jessica flipped out and the whole thing got stomped. kOre had to refund all the orders. Costs to him: Whatever fees are involved in the payment/refund process. Probably not that much, but an annoyance for sure. 4- I don't know much about the GSL shirts sale, I personally wasn't interested, but they were relatively "cheap". There's no way he would recover the losses he incurred in the 3 previous sales. It's not the first time kOre completely cut contacts with his customers for a while (I know he went to Blizzcon). He should come back soon I'd guess. ______ StarcraftMecca has had an extremely rough start, which undoubtedly puts an incredible strain on kOre's finances. It's his fault to a certain extent (or completely). Running a business is hard - running a business alone with school+job is really hard. I'm not making an excuse for him, arguably he's screwing up hard, but I strongly believe that he's never had any intentions of scamming people. If you don't have your GSL stuff, it's probably coming slowly. If you don't have your Hwaseung Oz refund, maybe there was a mistake or he just doesn't have the money to refund you or something. I know that in his position, many adventurous young folks wanting to become business-people would have to file for bankruptcy here to be able to move on with their life. That said, I've been in that position twice and I feel your pain. Doing business with StarcraftMecca hasn't been easy and I hope your issues get resolved. | ||
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Calm
Canada380 Posts
On October 25 2011 01:40 DoomsVille wrote: If he has to refund money out of pocket, then of course he used the SCM money for his own personal use... Forgive me for trying to bring some balance to this shit-storm... + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2011 01:48 Djzapz wrote: Just a bit of background to those who may not be aware of the previous history of StarcraftMecca. ***Much of what I'm saying is speculative and based on what kOre has reported*** (TLDR at bottom) kOre, the owner of that site tried to do something good for the community, while (presumably) making relatively little profit. I don't think he's ever had a very deep bank account given that he's in his 20's and in school, I believe. 1- The first sale was CJ Entus - he sold various items, including a jacket and some shirts. Unfortunately, the huge boxes were marked as worth $1, which got them held at customs and ultimately forced him to pay additional fees (which perhaps were not calculated into the price he charged his customers). On top of that, one box got opened in transit and some of the merchandise slipped out - we're talking about many jackets which were rather expensive plus shirts. Ultimately, I was lucky and got my jacket (although months late due to MANY various delays) and my shirt which was missing was refunded as store credit - though we had an option to get a direct refund from HIS POCKET. Costs to him (and his partner who left the project later): Customs + Lost items. He's probably losing money overall. 2- Later on there was the Hwaseung sale and I ordered stuff again... Customs held the packages again. They held the stuff for a LONG time because kOre was under investigation for fraud because shipping had taken such a long time and many impatient people filed fraud report. Frankly, I can hardly blame them because k0re is insanely hard to get in touch with sometimes and his answers are not always satisfying. In fact, kOre's estimates were consistently too liberal. After months waiting, kOre finally got to meet with a customs agent or whatever the hell those things are called. Turns out, none of the merchandise had the "made in Korea" tag written on it, which is against some BS Canadian regulations. The merchandise, worth thousands of dollars, got shipped back to Korea. Now, most of the refunds for that merchandise have gone through but the merchandise can't be sold at the same price given that Hwaseung Oz is dead. Plus, shipping to him would cost another few hundreds and importation fees. Costs to him: Everything. Thousands of dollars here, for sure. 3- Slayers sale: Many people ordered, Jessica flipped out and the whole thing got stomped. kOre had to refund all the orders. Costs to him: Whatever fees are involved in the payment/refund process. Probably not that much, but an annoyance for sure. 4- I don't know much about the GSL shirts sale, I personally wasn't interested, but they were relatively "cheap". There's no way he would recover the losses he incurred in the 3 previous sales. It's not the first time kOre completely cut contacts with his customers for a while (I know he went to Blizzcon). He should come back soon I'd guess. ______ StarcraftMecca has had an extremely rough start, which undoubtedly puts an incredible strain on kOre's finances. It's his fault to a certain extent (or completely). Running a business is hard - running a business alone with school+job is really hard. I'm not making an excuse for him, arguably he's screwing up hard, but I strongly believe that he's never had any intentions of scamming people. If you don't have your GSL stuff, it's probably coming slowly. If you don't have your Hwaseung Oz refund, maybe there was a mistake or he just doesn't have the money to refund you or something. I know that in his positions, many adventurous young folks wanting to become business-people would have to file for bankruptcy here to be able to move on with their life. That said, I've been in that position twice and I feel your pain. Doing business with StarcraftMecca hasn't been easy and I hope your issues get resolved. Very well-said. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 25 2011 01:53 Calm wrote: Forgive me for trying to bring some balance to this shit-storm... + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2011 01:48 Djzapz wrote: Just a bit of background to those who may not be aware of the previous history of StarcraftMecca. ***Much of what I'm saying is speculative and based on what kOre has reported*** (TLDR at bottom) kOre, the owner of that site tried to do something good for the community, while (presumably) making relatively little profit. I don't think he's ever had a very deep bank account given that he's in his 20's and in school, I believe. 1- The first sale was CJ Entus - he sold various items, including a jacket and some shirts. Unfortunately, the huge boxes were marked as worth $1, which got them held at customs and ultimately forced him to pay additional fees (which perhaps were not calculated into the price he charged his customers). On top of that, one box got opened in transit and some of the merchandise slipped out - we're talking about many jackets which were rather expensive plus shirts. Ultimately, I was lucky and got my jacket (although months late due to MANY various delays) and my shirt which was missing was refunded as store credit - though we had an option to get a direct refund from HIS POCKET. Costs to him (and his partner who left the project later): Customs + Lost items. He's probably losing money overall. 2- Later on there was the Hwaseung sale and I ordered stuff again... Customs held the packages again. They held the stuff for a LONG time because kOre was under investigation for fraud because shipping had taken such a long time and many impatient people filed fraud report. Frankly, I can hardly blame them because k0re is insanely hard to get in touch with sometimes and his answers are not always satisfying. In fact, kOre's estimates were consistently too liberal. After months waiting, kOre finally got to meet with a customs agent or whatever the hell those things are called. Turns out, none of the merchandise had the "made in Korea" tag written on it, which is against some BS Canadian regulations. The merchandise, worth thousands of dollars, got shipped back to Korea. Now, most of the refunds for that merchandise have gone through but the merchandise can't be sold at the same price given that Hwaseung Oz is dead. Plus, shipping to him would cost another few hundreds and importation fees. Costs to him: Everything. Thousands of dollars here, for sure. 3- Slayers sale: Many people ordered, Jessica flipped out and the whole thing got stomped. kOre had to refund all the orders. Costs to him: Whatever fees are involved in the payment/refund process. Probably not that much, but an annoyance for sure. 4- I don't know much about the GSL shirts sale, I personally wasn't interested, but they were relatively "cheap". There's no way he would recover the losses he incurred in the 3 previous sales. It's not the first time kOre completely cut contacts with his customers for a while (I know he went to Blizzcon). He should come back soon I'd guess. ______ StarcraftMecca has had an extremely rough start, which undoubtedly puts an incredible strain on kOre's finances. It's his fault to a certain extent (or completely). Running a business is hard - running a business alone with school+job is really hard. I'm not making an excuse for him, arguably he's screwing up hard, but I strongly believe that he's never had any intentions of scamming people. If you don't have your GSL stuff, it's probably coming slowly. If you don't have your Hwaseung Oz refund, maybe there was a mistake or he just doesn't have the money to refund you or something. I know that in his positions, many adventurous young folks wanting to become business-people would have to file for bankruptcy here to be able to move on with their life. That said, I've been in that position twice and I feel your pain. Doing business with StarcraftMecca hasn't been easy and I hope your issues get resolved. Very well-said. these were my thoughts aswell, until i got this reply to just about every email i send him: "You will recieve your refund tommorow ^^". and now the radio silence for a month with the message "going to IPL wooo" it kinda gives of a massive WTF impression especially when he holds 400 something dollars that is why i am responding in this post alot since it feels like TL is the only thing he checks. edit: i had ordered CJ stuff before and i never complained cause i always knew wtf was going on with the merc. my CJ shirt is still prob my fav shirt . | ||
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KingDime
Canada750 Posts
I have an opportunity to talk to him on friday and i'll definitely bring it up as my reputation is in the same line as his having the U of C sc2 club associated with starcraftmecca. | ||
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
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Wubbles
United States120 Posts
On October 25 2011 01:48 Djzapz wrote: If you don't have your Hwaseung Oz refund, maybe there was a mistake or he just doesn't have the money to refund you or something. Your post was going well until this. How come he's able to attend events such as IPL & Blizzcon? I would think if he has the money to attend those events, then he'd be able to send out refunds. Also the people who did get refunds (myself included) seemed to have been the ones who were actively visitng the site and saw that refund form we had to fill out. What about the people who didn't visit the site regularly? He never sent an email out to all customers informing everyone the situation at hand and the process to obtain a refund. So then what did he do with the money that was still sitting around that needed to be refunded? Did he make an effort to reach out to the remaining customers to send them their refund? Judging from these posts, seems like a no. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 25 2011 02:14 Nokarot wrote: All of you guys saying he's going to Blizzcon/etc with your money, I think that statement is a little too negative. It implies he doesn't have another source of revenue and is going to be broke after his trips. Don't get me wrong, you guys deserve your refunds, but to assume your money has "been spent" and thus cant be returned is poor speculation. Most businesses hold their money in different accounts, the money for his trips was likely from his personal accounts. Yes, he should prioritize his business over pleasure, but I'd think your money is still intact somewhere. He's probably trying to salvage all this mess and figure out a way to ship them once and for all before he gives up and mass refunds. (for reference i only know he went to IPL not sure about blizzcon but since you mentioned it) for the OZ orders mass refund is already in process, the entire oz order has been a complete failure thus he announced he would be mass refunding.... this happend about 6 months ago and a blizzcon ticket is super expensive. if it was my i would make sure i had refunded EVERYBODY before even thining about spending 200+ dollars on a blizzcon ticket you serious? EDIT: oh and BTW i did fill out the refund form straight after it got announced.. however since i didnt pay per credit card ( payed via his poker account cause he didnt have paypal set up yet ) i requested it to be transfered to paypal which he said would be NP however it never actually got transfered. oh and thanks to the mod for moving this to TL community so it doesnt drop to page 2 within a minute haha. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 25 2011 02:15 Wubbles wrote: Your post was going well until this. How come he's able to attend events such as IPL & Blizzcon? I would think if he has the money to attend those events, then he'd be able to send out refunds. My post still goes well tbh. I was clearly not saying he's completely thrown his life in the toilet to give you guys good service, he obviously isn't. Perhaps money isn't a problem and other things are delaying refunds - or maybe this does delay the refunds (seems likely). Either way, it's consistent with what I've been saying. Also the people who did get refunds (myself included) seemed to have been the ones who were actively visitng the site and saw that refund form we had to fill out. What about the people who didn't visit the site regularly? He never sent an email out to all customers informing everyone the situation at hand and the process to obtain a refund. So then what did he do with the money that was still sitting around that needed to be refunded? Did he make an effort to reach out to the remaining customers to send them their refund? Judging from these posts, seems like a no. I don't know. | ||
Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
Sounds shady, but i don't think it is. As chill said, one guy seems to handle it all. But in the future i'd suggest him at least answer back. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25980 Posts
On October 25 2011 02:41 Grettin wrote: I kept getting PM's from a customer who said pretty much the same. Hes been waiting for refund for months(?) and no answer on TL, Twitter, Facebook or their e-mail. Sounds shady, but i don't think it is. As chill said, one guy seems to handle it all. But in the future i'd suggest him at least answer back. I guess it's understandable but not justifiable. Sometimes stuff just snowballs out of control. I'd love him to drop a summary post in this thread just explaining, frankly, where he's at. | ||
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
On October 25 2011 02:21 Fadetowhite wrote: (for reference i only know he went to IPL not sure about blizzcon but since you mentioned it) for the OZ orders mass refund is already in process, the entire oz order has been a complete failure thus he announced he would be mass refunding.... this happend about 6 months ago and a blizzcon ticket is super expensive. if it was my i would make sure i had refunded EVERYBODY before even thining about spending 200+ dollars on a blizzcon ticket you serious? EDIT: oh and BTW i did fill out the refund form straight after it got announced.. however since i didnt pay per credit card ( payed via his poker account cause he didnt have paypal set up yet ) i requested it to be transfered to paypal which he said would be NP however it never actually got transfered. oh and thanks to the mod for moving this to TL community so it doesnt drop to page 2 within a minute haha. He had bought blizzcon tickets at least, I don't know if he went or not. He picked up some extra ones and was reserving them to teamliquid forum members for regular price. I know this because I was in line to get one of those extra tickets, but I ended up declining after he offered it to me because I made other plans. Mind you, all this was months ago (when Blizzcon tickets were on sale) and not being an SCMecca customer, I'm not sure how this falls on the timeline of everything else. However, a trip to Blizzcon is just as expensive, if not less, as a trip to Atlantic City (east coasts' Vegas basically) for IPL3 so really I'm not sure Blizzcon itself matters. Besides, as I said, all SCMecca funds are probably in a different account than his personal vacation funds are. If I'm right, I'm not sure why you guys even care about where he vacations. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 25 2011 03:12 Nokarot wrote: He had bought blizzcon tickets at least, I don't know if he went or not. He picked up some extra ones and was reserving them to teamliquid forum members for regular price. I know this because I was in line to get one of those extra tickets, but I ended up declining after he offered it to me because I made other plans. Mind you, all this was months ago (when Blizzcon tickets were on sale) and not being an SCMecca customer, I'm not sure how this falls on the timeline of everything else. However, a trip to Blizzcon is just as expensive, if not less, as a trip to Atlantic City (east coasts' Vegas basically) so really I'm not sure it weighs in too much. that seems really weird to me considering 2 blizzcon tickets = the money he owes me thus refunding another costumer to spread some good word about his store. anyway i am just waiting for an answer hoping that the money is still coming back | ||
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 25 2011 03:27 eleganten wrote: I'm in the same boat. Payed about 300 USD for a jacket in December 2010. Filed a refund 3 months ago. k0re has simply stopped communication though I've been trying to contact him through Teamliquid,twitter,facebook,mail,commentsection of SCmecca. I feel scammed and stupid for trusting k0re. It just felt so legit and honest. dont worry too much.... i am sure he will respond on this thread soon considering peopel that know him in RL are going to poke him. | ||
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Character
Canada18 Posts
I was communicating with Kore on a frequently basis at first but haven't been able to reach him over the last couple months. I was involved in the first CJ order and was one of the unlucky ones who had his stuff fall out of the box and had to get refunded. An effort was to get my money back to me and there was open communication. Like everyone else involved with the Hwaseung orders there was a problem with the whole order and it needed to be sent back to Korea. I was actively visiting the site and in contact with Kore but never received my refund. The last message I got was him saying there was an issue with his merchant and he needed to process some refunds separately, but it would take a week to show up; that was a month ago. The biggest problem is the lack of communication now. I don’t mind if he says, “I’m broke, and it’s going to take time to pay everyone back.” As long as there is some sort of payment plan where we can see what’s going on. Also, the reason why we can’t bring this to his site is because it’s just a Wordpress site and every comment needs to be approved by the owner. Of course, nothing has been approved so we weren’t able to communicate with each other. I’m glad this thread got started so I can see it wasn’t just me. UPDATE!!!! Just got an email from him saying he will be sending my refund with a screenshot of the transaction tonight. Looks like he's starting to sort this out hopefully. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
Sad that he overestimated his time commitment and now is unable to keep up with all this >< Looks really bad for him reputation-wise :/ | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
I don't think that they should be getting support through teamliquid or other means if they can't run a legitimate business instead of treating every aspect of their customer service like shit. | ||
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Zidane
United States1686 Posts
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Hikari
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-Secret-
United Kingdom233 Posts
You guys really need to stop ordering from his site. Or kOre should close sc mecca and everyone should just order from primezzang its much much better | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On October 25 2011 01:48 Djzapz wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Just a bit of background to those who may not be aware of the previous history of StarcraftMecca. ***Much of what I'm saying is speculative and based on what kOre has reported*** (TLDR at bottom) kOre, the owner of that site tried to do something good for the community, while (presumably) making relatively little profit. I don't think he's ever had a very deep bank account given that he's in his 20's and in school, I believe. 1- The first sale was CJ Entus - he sold various items, including a jacket and some shirts. Unfortunately, the huge boxes were marked as worth $1, which got them held at customs and ultimately forced him to pay additional fees (which perhaps were not calculated into the price he charged his customers). On top of that, one box got opened in transit and some of the merchandise slipped out - we're talking about many jackets which were rather expensive plus shirts. Ultimately, I was lucky and got my jacket (although months late due to MANY various delays) and my shirt which was missing was refunded as store credit - though we had an option to get a direct refund from HIS POCKET. Costs to him (and his partner who left the project later): Customs + Lost items. He's probably losing money overall. 2- Later on there was the Hwaseung sale and I ordered stuff again... Customs held the packages again. They held the stuff for a LONG time because kOre was under investigation for fraud because shipping had taken such a long time and many impatient people filed fraud report. Frankly, I can hardly blame them because k0re is insanely hard to get in touch with sometimes and his answers are not always satisfying. In fact, kOre's estimates were consistently too liberal. After months waiting, kOre finally got to meet with a customs agent or whatever the hell those things are called. Turns out, none of the merchandise had the "made in Korea" tag written on it, which is against some BS Canadian regulations. The merchandise, worth thousands of dollars, got shipped back to Korea. Now, most of the refunds for that merchandise have gone through but the merchandise can't be sold at the same price given that Hwaseung Oz is dead. Plus, shipping to him would cost another few hundreds and importation fees. Costs to him: Everything. Thousands of dollars here, for sure. 3- Slayers sale: Many people ordered, Jessica flipped out and the whole thing got stomped. kOre had to refund all the orders. Costs to him: Whatever fees are involved in the payment/refund process. Probably not that much, but an annoyance for sure. 4- I don't know much about the GSL shirts sale, I personally wasn't interested, but they were relatively "cheap". There's no way he would recover the losses he incurred in the 3 previous sales. It's not the first time kOre completely cut contacts with his customers for a while (I know he went to Blizzcon). He should come back soon I'd guess. ______ StarcraftMecca has had an extremely rough start, which undoubtedly puts an incredible strain on kOre's finances. It's his fault to a certain extent (or completely). Running a business is hard - running a business alone with school+job is really hard. I'm not making an excuse for him, arguably he's screwing up hard, but I strongly believe that he's never had any intentions of scamming people. If you don't have your GSL stuff, it's probably coming slowly. If you don't have your Hwaseung Oz refund, maybe there was a mistake or he just doesn't have the money to refund you or something. I know that in his position, many adventurous young folks wanting to become business-people would have to file for bankruptcy here to be able to move on with their life. That said, I've been in that position twice and I feel your pain. Doing business with StarcraftMecca hasn't been easy and I hope your issues get resolved. As much as I want to agree with you on this, not contacting his customers despite receiving hundreds of emails, going to these events that cost a decent amount of money and putting his business on halt, and not refunding items nearly a year over-due is just wrong. You can talk this kid up as much as you can, but what his done is pretty terrible. Why start a business that you can't handle? Nobody had a knife to his throat saying he had to do this. He could of closed it down when he started having problems with the business(CJ Entus gear). It seems half the posts in this thread is people saying k0re is a good person, and the other half angry with the lack of communication from k0re. I'm siding with the lack of communication from k0re. He might be a good person, but what he has done is wrong. If you want to run a business then you put in 100% effort or this shit happens. You don't take 'breaks' from your business when hundreds of people are mobbing at your doorstep for refunds, or just answers. | ||
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Wubbles
United States120 Posts
On October 25 2011 04:18 Character wrote: I recognize Djzapz and Wubbles name from the StarcraftMecca website. I think we were in this from the start. As Chill as, Kore is one guy trying to run a fairly time consuming business while in school. I think it was a little much to take on. I was communicating with Kore on a frequently basis at first but haven't been able to reach him over the last couple months. I was involved in the first CJ order and was one of the unlucky ones who had his stuff fall out of the box and had to get refunded. An effort was to get my money back to me and there was open communication. Like everyone else involved with the Hwaseung orders there was a problem with the whole order and it needed to be sent back to Korea. I was actively visiting the site and in contact with Kore but never received my refund. The last message I got was him saying there was an issue with his merchant and he needed to process some refunds separately, but it would take a week to show up; that was a month ago. The biggest problem is the lack of communication now. I don’t mind if he says, “I’m broke, and it’s going to take time to pay everyone back.” As long as there is some sort of payment plan where we can see what’s going on. Also, the reason why we can’t bring this to his site is because it’s just a Wordpress site and every comment needs to be approved by the owner. Of course, nothing has been approved so we weren’t able to communicate with each other. I’m glad this thread got started so I can see it wasn’t just me. UPDATE!!!! Just got an email from him saying he will be sending my refund with a screenshot of the transaction tonight. Looks like he's starting to sort this out hopefully. Lack of communication has been the theme for starcraftmecca/kore. The sad part of this all is, every time there's been an issue with communication, things have to escalate this far to finally get an answer. And when he finally does update you, you would think he'd make the effort to be more active with his updates and learn from his mistakes, but it never seems to be the case. **EDIT** Also, another reason we have a hard time communicating with him on his site is, he always purges the forums, blog posts, accounts, etc so unless someone has been actively logging everything, there's no real way to reference information regarding the orders. | ||
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
On October 25 2011 04:39 iControlYou wrote: Or kOre should close sc mecca and everyone should just order from primezzang its much much better But primezzang only sells prime gear? derrrrp. what about those who are after cj entus/bw team gear? i'm still waiting for for my refund on slayers shirts. it's been too long. i've talked to him a fair amount a few months ago, he's not a bad guy. friendly enough when we talk. He definitely needs to fix this though. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
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Minzy
Australia387 Posts
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + No worries, completely understandable, consider it done by today then. StarCraftMecca CEO - Edwin Jung Website - http://starcraftmecca.net Email - starcraftmecca@hotmail.com Cell - 1-403-918-3847 스타크래프트메카 - 정원교 사이트 - http://starcraftmecca.net 이메일 - starcraftmecca@hotmail.com 전화 - 1-403-918-3847 now lets hope its for real and i actually get the refund WILL REPLY IF I GET ONE !!! | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On October 25 2011 04:51 MonkSEA wrote: As much as I want to agree with you on this, not contacting his customers despite receiving hundreds of emails, going to these events that cost a decent amount of money and putting his business on halt, and not refunding items nearly a year over-due is just wrong. You can talk this kid up as much as you can, but what his done is pretty terrible. Why start a business that you can't handle? Nobody had a knife to his throat saying he had to do this. He could of closed it down when he started having problems with the business(CJ Entus gear). It seems half the posts in this thread is people saying k0re is a good person, and the other half angry with the lack of communication from k0re. I'm siding with the lack of communication from k0re. He might be a good person, but what he has done is wrong. If you want to run a business then you put in 100% effort or this shit happens. You don't take 'breaks' from your business when hundreds of people are mobbing at your doorstep for refunds, or just answers. You're completely misunderstanding me, I think that if you read what I said, you can see that I'm not talking kOre up, I'm merely saying that I don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Yes he's been doing a terrible job and people deserve to be treated better. As for "Why start a business you can't handle", like 50% of businesses fail after 1 year and over 90% of businesses fail after 5 years. People think they can handle it, turns out they can't. | ||
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Azerbaijan
United States660 Posts
Buyer beware though. | ||
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SolidGasPro
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SChlafmann
France725 Posts
On October 25 2011 06:10 SolidGasPro wrote: Is there anyway I can get a KT Rolster T-shirt, just like the one Flash has? I'd pay a lot for that ... Maybe you will be able to pay for one, but you won't get it xD (just kidding) I hope all of this will get solved, I kind of scared to order something atm. I know this may not be the right place, but does anyone know why it is that hard to find jersey of korean teams? (BW and SC2?) They just don't want to make money or what? | ||
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
On October 23 2011 07:05 aike wrote: This is pretty much it. His heart was always in the right place, it's just that his mind wasn't. He's a good guy for sure, but he got into a business and had a business model that was just not a very good idea. Selling team shirts is great, but you should do it right. Buy the shirts first, and then sell them to people... get a business loan if you have to. Anyone who owes people money and then dodges them is not a 'good person' or someone who 'has their heart in the right place' for me. | ||
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SChlafmann
France725 Posts
Whatever, I have to do a business project for my school and I would like to do it on an online store selling team jersey. So, I will look at that in the next few months, and if it looks doable, I'll do it for real  Good luck to everyone facing problems with scmecca... | ||
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iSometric
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
[deleted bunch of stuff ... honestly not worth discussing sry^^] If he actually didnt register SCmecca as a busisness and is accountable with his private wealth... I just feel very very sorry for him. And that would be the #1 sign of him not wanting to scam anyone, but that a young kid just overestimated himself / underestimated the effort to run a company. | ||
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
UPDATE!!!! Just got an email from him saying he will be sending my refund with a screenshot of the transaction tonight. Looks like he's starting to sort this out hopefully. Yeah, I got the same email. I'm not cheering until the money's back on my account. Please keep this thread going until we see this thing through. | ||
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
An email will be sent out around 10 PM MST with a screenshot of the a payment sent to your credit card via my credit card. It should not take longer than a week to go through. According to this I should've been given a screenshot of the payment by now. Still NOTHING. I'll be back tomorrow with an update on this. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 26 2011 03:06 eleganten wrote: Yeah, I got the same email. I'm not cheering until the money's back on my account. Please keep this thread going until we see this thing through. still nothing on my end, and the refund should be going to a paypal acc so it should instantly show up if i am correct? | ||
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cbmason
Canada13 Posts
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Character
Canada18 Posts
On October 26 2011 03:08 eleganten wrote: + Show Spoiler + An email will be sent out around 10 PM MST with a screenshot of the a payment sent to your credit card via my credit card. It should not take longer than a week to go through. According to this I should've been given a screenshot of the payment by now. Still NOTHING. I'll be back tomorrow with an update on this. Same here. I got an email saying I will be getting a record of the transaction last night at 10pm. Still nothing yet. | ||
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Gaspa
Brazil109 Posts
On October 23 2011 06:27 Fadetowhite wrote: he is not scamming people it is more like he does not know how to run a company and doesnt have the time to run it, but he made it seem like he did. so when a deal fell through ( OZ orders ) he was slapped with refunds and i am guessing he got a bit greedy and spend most of the money before he actually shipped anything.so now he has to refund thousands of dollars but no bank to actually refund it all. so that leaves people like me (400 dollars ) in the situation of him not being able to refund but no longer able to file a dispute cause of the time passed.at first it was all good cause he kept in touch via site / pms on TL / emails but lately it has been complete lights out and havent heard of k0re in weeks. and to hear he went to IPL when he owes you 400 dollars is a bit of a slap in the face to say the least. Accepting payment for a job you are not qualified to do is scamming in my eyes. Now bring his head. (the second part was a joke, i'm not that kind of person.) | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
... was hoping he would respond in this post atleast | ||
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
This time I didn't even get my hopes up. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
On October 26 2011 17:51 Fadetowhite wrote: Great news everyone: i have just recieved my full refund + email with screenshot of him sending the refund. i am glad this is finnaly done for me and i hope everyone gets theirs soon! Good for you! How much was it? I think the larger amount to refund the less chance you got. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 27 2011 04:06 eleganten wrote: Good for you! How much was it? I think the larger amount to refund the less chance you got. 456,99 dollars but it was via paypal not CC hope that helps! | ||
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
456,99 dollars but it was via paypal not CC hope that helps! Ahh.. that's a considerable sum. I was guessing a t-shirt or similar. I paid with CC, anybody who paid with CC got their refund yet? | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
On October 27 2011 19:29 eleganten wrote: Ahh.. that's a considerable sum. I was guessing a t-shirt or similar. I paid with CC, anybody who paid with CC got their refund yet? i should also mention that it was the OZ order. | ||
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
I am thankful he did not sell SKT stuff, or else I will be another victim and feel very upset. | ||
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Character
Canada18 Posts
On October 26 2011 17:51 Fadetowhite wrote: Good for you. That was a large sum. I haven't got the the follow up email he said he'd be sending a couple days ago and nothing has shown up on my credit card. Great news everyone: i have just recieved my full refund + email with screenshot of him sending the refund. i am glad this is finnaly done for me and i hope everyone gets theirs soon! | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10656 Posts
My story seems to be the same as everyone elses: I make a order for GSL shirts around Aug. I get a email notification saying that my order has been processed and ship etc. I wait 2 months... I email him personally, he says that the shipment JUST got in, and Ill get a tracking number tomorrow. I wait 1 month... And here I am... Sigh............. | ||
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cyanide66
137 Posts
On October 23 2011 05:52 Calm wrote: That reddit thread is pretty dumb... Sounds like the issue is shipping for the cheapest amount possible to slovenia. @PopcornColonel, your statements are defamatory and have no basis. There are infinitely more people who receive their orders from SCM than those who don't. It's the weekend of Blizzcon, I would think that the people of SCM are in California and that's why you're not getting your order, or at least busy watching. International shipping from Korea is tough. That's why there aren't that many places that will do it. IMO, this witch-hunt needs to stop. Dragging a 3k post TL vet's name through the mud doesn't fly here afaik, and if the mods weren't busy with Blizzcon I could very well seeing this thread getting closed. If his posts are as good as yours, this witch hunt truly is a tragedy. | ||
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
We were told through email we would get a screenshot of the payment and the money within a week. It seems he only did one refund this time, the rest of us are still waiting. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10656 Posts
On October 30 2011 17:28 eleganten wrote: @Emnjay808, well actually some of us are waiting for the hwaseung oz refund. the orders were placed in december 2010. We were told through email we would get a screenshot of the payment and the money within a week. It seems he only did one refund this time, the rest of us are still waiting. Why the hell does TL allow him to do business like this then? I checked out the Mecca site, it looked legit and professional. I was under the impression that it was runned by a well trusted company. So I made the purchase without hesitation, I was really excited that I had made my first purchase of anything e-sports related. But after months of waiting and doing a little bit of research, I find out that this whole business deal is being ran by a 20 year old college student, AND he still has yet to make full refunds to countless of customers from almost a year ago. So WHY would you still attempt to make a profit off the same business plan if it didnt go right the first time? Ive been patient, ive been calm. But its been unacceptably long, and the more I keep looking up this guy, the more discouraged I get about the entire situation. At this time, I just want a update from him. Is it really THAT hard to ask? Considering the amount of money that is involved. | ||
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tok
United States691 Posts
Maybe he's in hawaii or something. | ||
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Phayt
Canada346 Posts
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
Why the hell does TL allow him to do business like this then? Well, I don't see how it's TL responsibility to interfere with his business. But it's important to keep this thread going so the customers of SCM has some way to communicate since every trace of, for example the hwaseung oz order, is swept clean from their website. | ||
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demonik187
United States575 Posts
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On October 30 2011 19:06 eleganten wrote: Well, I don't see how it's TL responsibility to interfere with his business. But it's important to keep this thread going so the customers of SCM has some way to communicate since every trace of, for example the hwaseung oz order, is swept clean from their website. He has a sponsored thread on TL... so basically TL should have never allowed it to be sponsored, considering his order's have had major issues every time. :\ | ||
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eleganten
Sweden35 Posts
I noticed in this thread Fadetowhite got his refund through paypal but I didn't get mine through CC. I emailed kOre saying I could have my refund through paypal if there's problem with refunds through CC. I got reply and refund the day after. Case closed. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10656 Posts
Ill be going to the bank today to dispute my payment. Unneeded stress. Fml... | ||
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whereismymind
United Kingdom717 Posts
On October 25 2011 00:08 Klipsys wrote: People have no idea that international shipping to random counties without a tracking number is a bad move? He wants $100 for shipping 2 shirts to Europe. Are you American, because I don't understand, that you don't understand. I ordered EG t-shirts from splitreason, got them in 3 weeks with $15 shipment with tracking number. Same stuff from jinx. That guy(starcraftmecca) wants $100 for tracking number. You can use your logic from here on your own. On October 25 2011 02:35 Chill wrote: StarcraftMecca is just one guy. I understand that isn't an excuse, but try to understand that you aren't dealing with a company, you're dealing with one guy who is mailing these out of his house. Thanks So you are saying that it's hard to open Microsoft Excel and write down orders, what shirts does he have, what orders did he ship yet... what orders does he have to refund etc. Since he protects every shipment with security option against loss of package, he can get full money back. But no. IPL, MLG and illegal races(his facebook profile) are the way. On October 30 2011 17:45 Emnjay808 wrote: Why the hell does TL allow him to do business like this then? Because It is more important to ban CombatEX and disallow savior restreams, than baning this guy. I will probably get warning or something, for expressing my opinion(sometimes I feel I am in North Korea while reading why people are banned or warned here), but whatever, it is my opinion it was my $100 that kid stole from me... And the best part is.. Go to starcraftmecca.net and you will see that he still continues to sell shirts lol.. This is tragic comedy man. User was warned for this post | ||
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Megakenny
Canada829 Posts
I don't know him personally, so maybe I'm wrong. I hope all the concerns are addressed though. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
If so, wow. This has move beyond any grace period that we should be allowing. | ||
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Character
Canada18 Posts
On November 16 2011 14:00 Primadog wrote: So there're still refunds outstanding? It's almost a month since the latest round of delays started. If so, wow. This has move beyond any grace period that we should be allowing. Mine is still outstanding. I've been waiting for well over a month. My refund is part of the Oz sales that I ordered on October 30, 2010. I've managed to get part of it back through talking with my credit card company but they wouldn't release all of the funds because it was past the 90 days. All attempts at contact to even ask what's up have been ignored. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10656 Posts
I hope the collection agency gets to the bottom of this. He deserves what he got coming. Everyone can say that hes a nice guy and whatnot. But what he was doing was taking advantage of this site and misleading us into a faulty business. | ||
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CanucksJC
Canada1241 Posts
He's stopped responding to skype, TL PM, email etc. Not sure what I can do anymore... -_- Sigh | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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amd098
Korea (North)1366 Posts
if hes based in US, get the BBB and file a dispute, or you can go thru small claims court | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
On November 28 2011 08:45 amd098 wrote: wow this tops my shittiest purchase of waiting 6 months for something if hes based in US, get the BBB and file a dispute, or you can go thru small claims court couldn't help but to notice -- North Korea? O_o | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On October 24 2011 23:59 Fadetowhite wrote: he (the owner) is a long time member of TL and helps with a lan on his school, he also has refunded alot of people already so he is a good guy. its just that now that i assume his money ran out for refunds he cant refund the remainder of the people and that is where we stand now .he also said to me in a email he doesnt actually read mails until the weekend(lol) but according to his TL profile he is very active on this site. so i am hoping we the customers can get a reply out of him in this thread / via mails after reading this thread. Should probably make sure people atleast get their stuff before you go off spending their money on yourself | ||
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kOre
Canada3642 Posts
@Calasmere - REDDIT THREAD RESPONSE AT BOTTOM. @PopcornColonel - You should have your GSL shirt back already. @Fadetowhite - IPL paid me to go there and everything was comped why would I spend customer money on my own trips? @Arterial - Slayers shirt refunds are still pending since my business has been stopped by the BBB. @Calm - Thanks for defending me but the customers are right to be angry/suspicious because it has taken so long. @vx70GTOJudgexv - Yeah the business should be more of a priority but that's also part of the reason I went. To get a hold of the team managers in person to see if we could work a contract out. Chances are after everything has been refunded, GSL shirts sold, I'm going to shut down SCM. @Node - After this post I'll be taking care of the last 30ish orders (minus Slayers shirts) and my goal is to get everything resolved by mid December at the very latest. @CanucksJC - I've sent you a message earlier over Facebook, waiting for a reply. @aike - When I order things from Korea they will only sell if it's in bulk. This means orders of over 500 and assuming 20 a shirt that's $10,000 USD. Unfortunately I don't just have $10,000 lying around that I can use to buy it ahead of time. I tried it out with a small quantity with CJ since they were nice enough to let me but that was the only team. @BluePotion - Did you order a Slayers shirt? @ubreakubuy - Have you got your money back and if not can you send me an email through the Contact Us form with your TL ID? @JLew - Yeah having 3k posts on TL doesn't mean anything and just because I do doesn't mean I should get special treatment. @Klipsys - I ask anyone to check UPS and see how much it costs to send from Alberta to your location. It WILL come up as at least 25 dollars to anywhere in North America. To everywhere else you can only send either Express, Express Saver, or Expedited. This means it will cost around 100 dollars. Since people didn't want to pay that option I told them there was a way to ship with Canada Post but that it would take much longer and have no tracking number. @Matkap - IPL was comped by IPL. @DoomsVille - It was just overwhelming with the number of emails I kept getting and it was hard to keep track but I've gotten most of it all down. Yeah that's no excuse on my part which is why I will most likely be shutting down SCM unless some miracle happens. @Dpzapz - Yeah I never had intentions of scamming people, I've tried to sell my merchandise without getting much profit back since I didn't really care about profit but that turned out to be a bad idea since I lost more money than I actually made because of fees and whatnot. @Nokarot - Yup, figuring out a way I can salvage what's left of this mess. @Wubbles - IPL was comped by IPL, BlizzCon was from my personal tutoring expenses. I do have other sources of income aside from SCM. Business account and personal account are completely separated and it'd be a stupid idea to make them one and the same. @eleganten - Can you send me an email through Contact Us if you still haven't gotten your stuff along with your TL ID? @Character - Just wanted to double check to see if you got your stuff. Shoot me an email if you haven't please. @Zlasher - I never tried to actually make a profit from the merchandise, just enough to balance out the transaction fees and all the shipping. @Hikari - Government charges 13% of what the merchandise actually costs when it comes into Canada. Not only that but for anything that weighs over a certain limit or contains multiple packages they tend to check it all. That's where most of my problems have been occurring in the past. @iControlYou - It's what I plan to do. @theBizness - Teams don't mass produce the merchandise because they don't want to deal with all the international stuff that comes with orders. That is what most teams I've gotten in contact with have told me. That was what I was trying to solve. @SChlafmann - Best of luck, I really mean it. @Phayt - Not knowing who people are on TL and their real names, have you gotten your refund for Oz merchandise back yet? If not please use the Contact Us form and I'll reply within 12 hours (I'll be up for a while tonight). @Emnjay808 - Can you email me with your TL ID too? @whereismymind - REDDIT THREAD RESPONSE AT BOTTOM. REDDIT THREAD RESPONSE 1. He had ordered from Slovenia and I had reminded him that there was no tracking number if he did it through Canada Post. 2. He insisted on ordering through Canada Post and that was that. 3. I sent the merchandise (with no tracking number). 4. He continued to ask me where the tracking number was even though I told him there was none. 5. After saying that he never got it, I called Canada Post and they had told me it cleared Customs and was on the way to the customer. 6. He still had not received it and when I called Canada Post they told me it was waiting for him. 7. He said he hadn't gotten anything from Canada Post still. 8. 3 days ago this arrives in my mailbox. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lN485.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/l1Q0y.jpg) I think that covers everyone that had posted on this thread and I sincerely apologize for all the problems. OVERALL - Oh and for anyone that ordered with Canada Post (due to issues in the past with Canada Post) I sent via UPS which ended up costing me 10 to 20 dollars more per order and over 100 people had placed those orders. So I'm pretty sure if I was scamming people I wouldn't do that? There were also a few people who placed 15 dollar shipping orders to outside NA and I still sent those through UPS which was 100 dollars +, so all in all, no I'm not doing this for profit, I just wanted to be able to get everyone Korean merchandise since I knew Korean and English and was connected with the teams. - Anyone that hasn't gotten Oz stuff sorted out should email me with TL ID and it'll be solved through PayPal by the end of this week. - Anyone that has Slayers shirt issues will get resolved after I resolve my case with the BBB. - GSL shirts and CJ shirts should have all been sent out and if you still haven't gotten it chances are I'm waiting for an email back from you. - After everything has been solved SCM will still have remaining GSL and CJ merchandise for sale but after that SCM will be shut down temporarily. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
I been through business failures, many times, so I know what you're going through right now. It takes a lot to man up and follow through with all the loose threads, while you're winding this baby down. The temptation to just say "fuck it" is there, but you didn't take it. Most will not give you credit for doing so, but I respect that. Best of luck, I hope this venture wasn't too costly (mentally and financially). | ||
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kOre
Canada3642 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10656 Posts
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
On November 28 2011 13:23 kOre wrote: - Anyone that hasn't gotten Oz stuff sorted out should email me with TL ID and it'll be solved through PayPal by the end of this week. Filled out the 'contact us' section. <3 EDIT: nice, already resolved! | ||
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kOre
Canada3642 Posts
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Emnjay808
United States10656 Posts
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