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On September 12 2011 14:36 thatsundowner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 14:34 DarKcS wrote:
And what's to stop Deezer paying $5 to change name to abuse people? Slowing it down stops constantly changing name to hide identity, you can't be afraid to choose such an option because it will happen regardless of what you do, making 95% of us pay money to change username is ridiculous. you don't see how just the pure fact that there's a real cost involved heavily cuts down on the abuse a name change system will have? it'll obviously still exist, you don't make the problem worse by making it easier to harass people
why are you ignoring the point that this is legitimizing people "paying off their sins" in society, so that people believe its ok to act that way if you have enough money? Think Deezer or combatEX don't buy new accounts to grief people with? They do. In fact, CombatEX hasn't stopped, he's even recorded himself ON HIS STREAM, streamsniping someone else and then using their stream for starting position intel before they black it out.
So you really think paid name change is going to stop that? you really thinking making it "pay to change" or "cooldown" is going to prevent these people from continuing to do that?
All you people making the argument that you should pay so that we can cut down on abuse are beinng completely oblivious to the results in front of your eyes.
what is this entire thread being trolled by "pro-blizz/activision" lobbyist moneymaking sockpuppets? Just like that thread said about people being paid wages to speak on a political party's behalf? This would make entirely more sense than a bunch of people failing time and again to see the name changing doesn't exist, and the abuse continues unabated. and that as such, making everyone pay real money for it is not going to curb abuse, whatsoever. and people that do want to abuse buy smurf accounts or just keep at it with their old name.
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Man, name changing is such an easy way to make money. Why not?
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We need this we want this... oICRemorse....not DHRemorse.... T_T. Cant cahnge it tho...
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"ROOTDestiny might like this to btw. :D
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On September 12 2011 12:47 AJMcSpiffy wrote:
Namechange can be charged, I understand the idea of not wanting a ton of people to all switch to the same name to troll a player/stream/tournament. However to supplement that I think there should be a separate clan tag space that can be freely changed and edited. Best of both worlds?
Oh i like this idea with a week cooldown on the tags  . Would need quiet a database update though...
And well thats how value added service always works, if enough people demand it they will offer it. (and since they have to employ people for it, they have to charge a little. And in games where scamming and other things are possible (sc2 isn't one of those), they have to make something like name changes quiet expensive, to keep people from abusing it)
"yeah we know it hurts the game and stuff, but people want it ... better have a broken game, rather then no one playing it."
I would still poke them about such things from time to time. There are 2 expansions and while its probably to late for the first, the second might get the stuff you want, if enough others want it as well.
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On September 12 2011 14:45 Karliath wrote:
Man, name changing is such an easy way to make money. Why not?
Because you can spend the loyalty of brand for money.
Example:
Blizzard said less than a year beforehand they'd never have micro-transactions in WoW, and they decided that it would be a great idea to release a cosmetic re-skinned flying space unicorn mount available for $25USD. People bought it, because there was a value assigned with it. Same goes with their server transfers, they can do that stuff for free but they can also make a good amount of money but also pissing off the playerbase at the same time a little.
Activision is a big proponent of using this sort of business model, its essentially why they are charging so much for the DLC pack in Call of Duty, gamers just grit their teeth and pay the money.
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I don't understand this at all tbh. Support them to pay them 20$ for something they already have implemented on WoW..... I mean why do we need to give them incentive to give them money. Oh well, I hope it goes through but it is kind of silly.
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If I want a paid name change, I can do like the pros, sell off my old account to someone else (even though its against blizz rules its done), or just keep it, and buy a new CD. And if I sell it off after getting so many online achievements and a high ladder position with it, I can sell it for more than I bought it. so then I actually make money in addition to getting my name changed.
but people fail to see this part of the argument. the ability to namechange, for 60 dollars, for 10 dollars (if u sell the game cheaper than you bought it), or for free or even making money of it (if you sell it for even price or profit), and that this part of the argument completely invalidates all arguments about paid name change to stop abuse. Free name change for same accounts would be the only difference between a paid name change and buying another SC2 copy while selling your old one.
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On September 12 2011 14:50 Atlare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 14:45 Karliath wrote:
Man, name changing is such an easy way to make money. Why not? Because you can spend the loyalty of brand for money. Example: Blizzard said less than a year beforehand they'd never have micro-transactions in WoW, and they decided that it would be a great idea to release a cosmetic re-skinned flying space unicorn mount available for $25USD. People bought it, because there was a value assigned with it. Same goes with their server transfers, they can do that stuff for free but they can also make a good amount of money but also pissing off the playerbase at the same time a little. Activision is a big proponent of using this sort of business model, its essentially why they are charging so much for the DLC pack in Call of Duty, gamers just grit their teeth and pay the money.
I've never paid for a DLC for call of duty btw. fuck activision.
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i thought they were already planning on implenting this.. TT
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super disappointed in blizzard.
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On September 12 2011 14:52 Truedot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2011 14:50 Atlare wrote:On September 12 2011 14:45 Karliath wrote:
Man, name changing is such an easy way to make money. Why not? Because you can spend the loyalty of brand for money. Example: Blizzard said less than a year beforehand they'd never have micro-transactions in WoW, and they decided that it would be a great idea to release a cosmetic re-skinned flying space unicorn mount available for $25USD. People bought it, because there was a value assigned with it. Same goes with their server transfers, they can do that stuff for free but they can also make a good amount of money but also pissing off the playerbase at the same time a little. Activision is a big proponent of using this sort of business model, its essentially why they are charging so much for the DLC pack in Call of Duty, gamers just grit their teeth and pay the money. I've never paid for a DLC for call of duty btw. fuck activision.
You're a rare breed. Keep voting with your wallet, lord knows 99.9% of the playerbase can't.
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On September 12 2011 12:21 desrow wrote:http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3123318915?page=1Show nested quote +DMsev
After asking a few questions, I was informed that no support for paid name changes or clantag support is currently in the works. Contrary to the hopeful message in our Battle.net account profiles, it is not coming soon. I was also met with the revelation that this is because there are not enough people expressing a desire to make this happen. Finally, I was told that the World of Warcraft paid name change support came about from the community asking for it and showing a noticeable desire to have it done, and was given the suggestion to make a thread about it specifically in the Multiplayer and ESports forum, and get people to give their opinion on it. Basically, this one dude sent a support ticket to blizzard asking for Name change and blizzard explained that the feature wasn't part of WoW before but because enough people showed interest, the WoW community made it happen. Now, this guy didn't add any screenshot of his support ticket or didn't quote the customer service employee who replied to him, I believe it's still worth a shot. Basically, the bnet thread is a way to show blizzard we want clan feature and paid name change. This was posted on reddit but hopefully with teamliquid behind this, we can make it happen  Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/kclfr/make_a_difference_in_bnet_name_change_support/Edit: The OP clarified his story in a post on page 5 Show nested quote +DMsev
also for the record, the conversation was entirely over the phone. i apologize that i didn't think to record it. i'll add this message to the OP. My opinion: A lot of people believe this should be free and that blizzard is "milking" the cow. Imagine if this feature would be free and unlimited ? The internet is already filled with assholes and stream cheaters imagine if they could change character code/portrait/name every day ? A long time ago I thought blizzard was greedy but they are doing us a favor by not giving every dick on battle.net a chance to spam anonymously
I support this and like the Clantag because it allows people to have clans that aren't so binding. Not to mention with all the team transfers in the pro scene this will help them by not having to buy a new account every other time. Although I do fear the fact that anyone could have a liquid or EG tag. Not to mention how long would clan tags get to be? Slayers or Prime.we seem kinda long for a clan tag...
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On September 12 2011 14:51 Truedot wrote:
If I want a paid name change, I can do like the pros, sell off my old account to someone else (even though its against blizz rules its done), or just keep it, and buy a new CD. And if I sell it off after getting so many online achievements and a high ladder position with it, I can sell it for more than I bought it. so then I actually make money in addition to getting my name changed.
but people fail to see this part of the argument. the ability to namechange, for 60 dollars, for 10 dollars (if u sell the game cheaper than you bought it), or for free or even making money of it (if you sell it for even price or profit), and that this part of the argument completely invalidates all arguments about paid name change to stop abuse. Free name change for same accounts would be the only difference between a paid name change and buying another SC2 copy while selling your old one.
explain to me how free name changes (even ones on a cooldown) would have less abuse than paid ones.
"abuse already exists" is really not a valid argument here, the hurdle to get around it right now is very high. i sincerely doubt there are that many people who can sell their sc2 account for a whole lot of money, and even fewer that actually would buy it. paid name changes lower the hurdle slightly but also give people what they want. free name changes completely get rid of the hurdle and tells all the assholes of the internet to "go nuts"
On September 12 2011 14:50 Atlare wrote:
Blizzard said less than a year beforehand they'd never have micro-transactions in WoW, and they decided that it would be a great idea to release a cosmetic re-skinned flying space unicorn mount available for $25USD. People bought it, because there was a value assigned with it. Same goes with their server transfers, they can do that stuff for free but they can also make a good amount of money but also pissing off the playerbase at the same time a little.
"we will never have micro-transactions" is quite the claim, i'd like for you to back this one up, actually. especially since blizzard are the kings of "we have no plans at this time" whenever asked about something
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This requires no effort on the part of Blizzard, seriously guys. You can already change your SC2 char name once for free; I'm not computer expert but I imagine all you would have to do is change it to instead of only limited to 1 name change ---> unlimited name changes.
I'd really like to see this implemented, who wouldn't? But if they start charging, I'm keeping my shitty name. FFS... it's always about the fucking cash
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Either one would be cool, name OR clantag change. Obviously with the possibility to change your whole name you can affect the tag part in your name aswell... I'd like to get a chance to change my name again, after i used the 1 free change while being drunk :d
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On September 12 2011 12:58 Kid-Fox wrote:
Why not make it free but only allow active players to change names once per season? Seems somewhat tough to abuse to me.
First of all how long is a season? 6 months? If so, then how about 1 per every 3 months non-stackable and no exceptions. That way no abuse and could help the pros who are switching teams. I like your idea though, I just think a season is kinda long.
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DMKuDoKu ---
I think everyone here misunderstands what it takes for Blizzard to do this. I agree that Blizzard made a HUGE mistake by not allowing name change fallowed by money, but the real question here is how hard is it for Blizzard to do this?
The truth is... it's extremely easy. That's right, I lied about how hard it is to program this. Everyone here knows that it takes no work to do this step as Blizzard.
I can practically write out the code that Blizzard would have to use, not to mention that an automated name changer would take approximately 10 or 15 lines of code. Is that too much to ask? No.
There are four variables fallowing each character.
1: Bnet name
2: Current character code
3: Email
4: Password
Wanna know how much work blizzard has to change out of that? Only two variables. It's complete bull that Blizzard doesn't intend to add in the name change ability, let alone the fact that we as a community WOULD NOT MIND PAYING FOR IT.
Questions people must be asking if this change WERE to go down:
Q: How would Blizzard deal with banning cheaters?
A: Blizzard doesn't ban the character name, just the email address.
Q: How long would this take to get working?
A: If the Starcraft II department worked on it eight hours a day five days a week, it would take about 10 minutes.
Q: Can you prove that it would take 10-15 lines of code to fix this?
A: Yeah it's pretty simple, anyone who understands simple syntax should be able to understand this:
function changeName(inputEmail, newName)
{
inputEmail.name = newName;
}
changeName(email@whatev.com, "DMKuDoKu");
That simple.
Q: What about in tournaments?
A: Tournaments should allow you to change your name on Bnet and character code if it is needed.
Q: So Blizzard really is just not doing this for NO reason?
A: Well, I remember Blizzard saying (in the beta of SCII) that they, as a company, wanted SCII to be a game that is well rounded around the GAME and the INTERNET... and that's all I remember blizzard saying when I asked them why there wouldn't be a name change when retail came out. Basically, yes my friends, there is NO reason to not have this change.
That is all.
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i think the clantag idea is the one that they need to work on the most. i mean seriously didnt blizzard say that sc2 was developed around the idea of it being an eSport? i think a pretty important foundation in eSport is having teams/clans and that people are expected to change teams from time to time. i'm quite disappointed with the support for these things
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Ok, that was a little weird to read, but sure, I'll obviously support it
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