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On August 16 2011 23:40 Ipp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:28 Choboo wrote:On August 16 2011 23:27 Ipp wrote:On August 16 2011 23:09 Lordwar wrote:
15k per year is alot of money for playing starcraft all day long in training house. Get real guys If the training house supplies food, sure it may be ok. But lets be serious you are a pro gamer making 15k/y for 5 years that is a total of 75k (~50k after taxes) for 5 years of your life. If you save 100% of it, you would be on a nice start to a retirement plan. However after you finish your progaming career where do you go? You're ~25 with a pretty bad resume, your hope is to stay within the scene as a commentator, writer, etc. That savings you had over the course of 5 years will mostly used up by the time you get back on your feet. Last but not least, lets say they practice 56 Hours per week (I'm sure some put in 70+). That comes just under $7 per hour, factor that in with they are the best in that particular field of work, its a very very small number even I can top that number by streaming. I'm not saying progaming isn't lucrative, but 15k/y is a horrible estimate. Didn't Destiny say he gets at least 50k/y on his own? The difference between Destiny and other progamers is that the other progamers win serious cash in tournaments also. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Winnings#Top_10_player_per_prize_money_winnings -- Look at the top 10, winnings for #10 is ~30k. That is not much money over the course of a year atleast in the USA. IdrA is only at 20k for winnings over the year, put the ~15k that was suggested he is at 35k/y which is just enough to get by comfortably without roommates around here. All I'm saying is the big names most likely make more than 15k/y from their team.
You forget that streaming makes a shitload of money. if you have like 2k viewers you can easily stream for living, never mind the 20k idra gets.
I would believe coaching is also a great source of income with the most popular coaches charging like 50$/hour and idra charges something insane like couple hundred iirc.
These incomes coupled with salary which might not be that high, it's still a large amount especially if you live in a team house since you dont need to pay rent or stuff like water, electricity, internet if the team takes care of it.
So players in teamhouses really have no expenses apart from personal luxuries they buy for themselves.
With all of these I'd think tournaments are more like PR and the chance to get some bonus moneyz
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This is so dumb... it's already been over 48 hours and still no announcement..
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Can someone link the "Mug" announcement picture again?
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On August 16 2011 23:54 Goibon wrote:
What i don't understand if i take Slasher seriously is that its big for SC2, but its an EG thing. This immediately rules out so many things.
It can't be EG recruiting or poaching another player, since that doesn't change anything.
It could be a new tournament. But i mean no one really thought NASL or IPL were gonna change the face of SC2.
It has to be something bigger. I really feel Korea has to be involved, or even Europe. It's got to be a current BW pro who is still a boss switching over. Or it has to be something massively structural. Like a tournament, or a league, or something which creates something comparable to what GSL provides us.
Anything short of those two and i'm gonna be tweeting Slasher angry tweets (well if i cared enough i would, but i simply don't).
Slasher is a good guy he runs with socks and sandals.
Dude, Slasher is trolling, calm down
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On August 16 2011 23:54 AxelTVx wrote:
Holy shit... is this the longest thread in the history of TL or what?
MLG columbus day 3LR thread was like 1430 pages.
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On August 16 2011 23:55 AngryFarmer wrote:
This is so dumb... it's already been over 48 hours and still no announcement..
Well,, timer still has one hour to gooo.. sooo? =_=
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3 minutes to final audio file right?
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Am I late for the drama?
I think the Protoss player is more likely Tyler rather than Huk.
Tyler's twitter is gone. That clearly means EG has taken it over and he is going to change his name on it.
I solved it guys.
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+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2011 23:52 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:48 Bippzy wrote:On August 16 2011 23:43 SolHeiM wrote:On August 16 2011 23:34 Bippzy wrote:On August 16 2011 23:29 SolHeiM wrote:On August 16 2011 23:27 Ipp wrote:On August 16 2011 23:09 Lordwar wrote:
15k per year is alot of money for playing starcraft all day long in training house. Get real guys If the training house supplies food, sure it may be ok. But lets be serious you are a pro gamer making 15k/y for 5 years that is a total of 75k (~50k after taxes) for 5 years of your life. If you save 100% of it, you would be on a nice start to a retirement plan. However after you finish your progaming career where do you go? You're ~25 with a pretty bad resume, your hope is to stay within the scene as a commentator, writer, etc. That savings you had over the course of 5 years will mostly used up by the time you get back on your feet. Last but not least, lets say they practice 56 Hours per week (I'm sure some put in 70+). That comes just under $7 per hour, factor that in with they are the best in that particular field of work, its a very very small number even I can top that number by streaming. I'm not saying progaming isn't lucrative, but 15k/y is a horrible estimate. Didn't Destiny say he gets at least 50k/y on his own? Have you heard of a thing called a UNIVERSITY? It's a weird magical place that students that have finished High School go to in order to get something called a degraa... degrede?? Degree, that's the word. A degree. Which they later use to get a job. Being 25 is not the end of the fucking world. Actually the fact that your life isn't off to the greatest start is the problem with progaming. It doesn't seem realistic to say that you'll have a lot of savings, and if you don't want to be lonely for the rest of your life you'll want to have children, and children cost tons of money, which shouldn't be a problem if you're working your way up the work ladder, but oh wait "you're just a progamer, yeah my super important company wants you...not. You'll probably just game on the job." You have such a twisted view of what a pro gamer's life is like I literally can't understand how your brain works. What is the problem really? That you spent a few years having a blast, doing what you love doing and earning money doing it? Is that somehow a problem? I don't understand. Who has lots of savings going straight in to university? Not many. There are things called student loans and scholarships or stipends that anyone can get if they look hard enough. Most people aren't willing to look farther out than their bedroom window though, so I understand how it may seem impossible to you. Who says you'll be alone your entire life? Being 25 is young, really fucking young. I'm not planning on having kids until I'm at least 28. If I'm a sad loner for my entire life up until 25, I have three years I can learn mad social skills, and at 28 I can find a girl I like and start a family with. Forever alone? Doesn't look like it to me. Children cost money, yeah. But if you live an average persons life, you have two people making the income. Guess what? Women are allowed to get jobs now. Did you know that? Let's pull a number. 40,000 USD a year as a University graduate. You're 29-30 now maybe, and you want to start a family with a girl. She has a job as well. If she hasn't, what the fuck are you doing with her? She'll probably earn the same amount you do, so that's 80k a year you're earning together. You share everything, because that's what you do when you're a family. 80k is a fucking lot of money. Children are expensive, sure. But you are the parent, so you can set the limitations. Just because they want shit doesn't mean you have to give it to them. Teach them the value of money, make them work for their toys. Just because they want the newest video game console, doesn't mean you have to give them what they want. All you have to do is feed them and buy them clothes. No boss is going to think you'll spend all your time playing video games. What ever made you think that, I have no idea. Yeah, that was me being cocky with my assumptions. But let's apply starcraft logic to the real world. You want to get an early lead and then get more ahead in starcraft. I want to do the same in life. Admittedly, if you're good enough to be a progamer, then one or two nights a week you could just do an easy peez online tourney and make a few hundred. Women have jobs? Oh yeah. Forgot about them cuz we're on the internet. Touche, I agree with you. Pro gaming is something everyone should do if they have the talent for it. I'm glad i don't live in the US. Seems like alot of pressure to start working right after school and starting pooling money as early as possible. I sweden i have alot of friends with well paid jobs (70kish $ / year) that traveled and just slacked from 18-25. There's no rush to start school or serious career until you really want to. User was warned for this post
For some reason I don't believe you...at all.
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Huk, Lucifron, Achilles joining, incontrol losing weight, idra shaves his beard.
riddle solved.
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On August 16 2011 23:54 AxelTVx wrote:
Holy shit... is this the longest thread in the history of TL or what?
Its the Dota HoN thread afaik 1499 pages. and mlg has also a few super long threads.
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On August 16 2011 23:54 Bibbit wrote:
EG.Obama would be stupid. They already have Bargrack Obama.
But Obama would be the best zerg! He'd never leave because of his "hope". He'd also go on balance rants because he wants "change". Also, since he can print money, he can 6 pool with unlimited lings. I'd like to see  IMmvp hold that.
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It's obviously an announcement for the sake of announcements.
The uproar and disparity amongst the community will be between people that enjoyed the elaborate troll and those that feel like their time was wasted.
After the dust settles, only firebathero will be standing, stripping, and dancing about the absurdity of it all.
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432 Posts
So all we have so far is 'This is not a...'?
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So how long till this is really over because it is changed from your time on your compouter right?
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On August 16 2011 23:58 Bippzy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:54 Bibbit wrote:
EG.Obama would be stupid. They already have Bargrack Obama. But Obama would be the best zerg! He'd never leave because of his "hope". He'd also go on balance rants because he wants "change". Also, since he can print money, he can 6 pool with unlimited lings. I'd like to see IMmvp hold that.
Obama would rock at SC2, cause he is able to spend like 3 times as much minerals as is being mined..
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This countdown has more hype then the end of the world date. They just beat whole civilizations and religions...u have to hand it to them
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On August 16 2011 23:58 Blix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 23:58 Bippzy wrote:On August 16 2011 23:54 Bibbit wrote:
EG.Obama would be stupid. They already have Bargrack Obama. But Obama would be the best zerg! He'd never leave because of his "hope". He'd also go on balance rants because he wants "change". Also, since he can print money, he can 6 pool with unlimited lings. I'd like to see IMmvp hold that. Obama would rock at SC2, cause he is able to spend like 3 times as much minerals as is being mined..
Sounds unstoppable.
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[QUOTE]On August 16 2011 23:52 ComusLoM wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 16 2011 23:51 PeggyHill wrote:
So at 7:51am PDT, my countdown says 1:08:53, is that the same as everyone elses?[/QUOTE]
Yep.
Why would you name yourself after the worst character of all time?[/QUOT]
Ugh.. Dude.. PEGGY HILL FREAKING RULES!.. She could be my mom and/or wife any day of the week!.. Her and those big sexy feet!
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On August 16 2011 23:57 flowSthead wrote:
Am I late for the drama?
I think the Protoss player is more likely Tyler rather than Huk.
Tyler's twitter is gone. That clearly means EG has taken it over and he is going to change his name on it.
I solved it guys.
Isn't tyler going through hard times? and I'm sure his twitter was swamped with get well wishes. Huk is likely, but I don't think EG would take a player from another team when the community is still sore cuz of puma
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