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On August 15 2011 21:00 Kuhva wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 20:54 GrungyMunchy wrote:On August 15 2011 20:44 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:39 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:30 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:20 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:18 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:10 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:08 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:04 Termit wrote:
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LoL TL and EG are rivals for the best foreign team, really dude? Really....theres 2 good foreigner players that can go toe to toe with the best...HuK and Idra? How is that an unfair comment? My view on best teams, the teams with the best players who can compete at highest level. EG have Idra, TL have HuK? Dignitas have Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW - all taking games of Korea based players at almost every single event they are playing. But yeah I guess you only have need to have 1 strong player to be the best foreign team (EG), don't you? Argh, another person who fails to read, IN MY VIEW i said, they have to be able to beat koreans, Idra was Code S then he left to join up with the revolution at EG. HuK is in Code S and doesnt look like he is in any form of dropping out this season. Naniwa? Wow he did well in code A didnt he, losing to a Zerg of poor form in Check? Sjow, yeah he did awesome @ MLG taking 1 game off a korean lol makes him awesome. SeleCT yeah he is very good going 1-4 in his MLG group. Then the Champ Bracket, well Sjow beat Haypro 2-1 then Lost 2-0 to HuK? Then Seelct beat whitera 2-1 and Lost 2-1 to Slush? Naniwa beat idra with 2 1base all ins (Idra was clearly off form all weekend) and yet he still made it 2-1. Then got destroyed 2-0 by MMA? So if you want to play fact game we can. Other than that it was my view that Idra and HuK are the best 2 foreigners and there teams are considered the strongest 1s because of it. Lol you didn't say anything about "YOUR VIEW" in your post. And your game knowledge is about as good as my moms with your little story about dignitas players. Can't take you seriously. Your kidding right? Dude im from England, Dignitas is the only pro gaming team from ENGLAND, they are my home team if you like. I know more about Dignitas than you probably do, just because Naniwa plays for them. I know more about the rest of Dignitas, as i followed there FIFA team for years. You mentioned they "recently" took games off Koreans , and i just told you there "Recent" results. So...Little knowledge or recent facts whatever you think Define recent results? Like MLG Dallas? Coloumbus? Homstory cup, Blizz invite thingy or just MLG Anaheim and Code A? I can't really tell, because you are hating on Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW for their results the last month (select even won Blizz NA yesterday) when they still have far better results against both koreans and foreigners than a team like EG and Naniwa has been fighting about the best foreigner "spot" with HuK all summer but you are still making it look like his shit. And on top of all that you are defending IdrA with that he lost to all-ins and he was "clearly off from all weekend" like if that would matter. And you are also using IdrA's old Code S spot to define how good he is and how that would make him the best foreigner? That was in freaking February dude. Recent results are Recently, i addressed SeleCTs recent win in NA BNet Invitational, Naniwa's MLG and Code A vs HuKs Code S MLG and Idra's. Saying Naniwa is better than Idra is completely wrong. Every caster seems to think Idra is the probably the best foriegner and has been for a long time. (Day9 recent quote from NA Bnet Invitational) Not going into no stupid argument over who is better and who is best. You have your opinion i have mine. But this started because your saying my facts are wrong and that you dont agree wtih my view on what makes a good team in a 1v1 game. So i suggest we leave it. And saying i know nothing about Dignitas would be like me saying you know nothing about SKGaming dude. Bitch please. Idra hasn't done anything relevant in the past 6 months. IPL Season 4, top foreigner at MLG Columbus, 3rd at Dreamhack Summer, 1st at WCG USA 2011, 2nd at Tactic 3D Online Tourney. Won the Majority of his Clan War matches in the last 4 months... yea he's done nothing in the last 6 months.
The fact that the only 1st place you could mention is the American WCG qualifiers speaks for itself.
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On August 15 2011 21:05 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 20:55 zul wrote:
Who came up with the HuK-stuff? the oGsSupernova tweet is obv. not related with this. So much speculation going on in here...which not exactly bad, but most of it is based on nothing. How is it not related, someone asked him if he was sad that huk is joining EG, or something. And he said. No T.T very sad. That seems like some solid proof right there. Clearly ogssuprnova didnt know weather it had been announced yet,. its probably common knowledge in korea though at least among the OGS house.
The games in the MP3 file are HuK games, is this just a fucking coincidence? We are seriously getting trolled right now... If its something like going to GSTL or smth its not worth the hype..
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On August 15 2011 21:04 dc302 wrote:
It's Liquid'IdrA guys.
/end troll Why would EG hype that so much though? Wouldn't it be Liquids job to hype that news?
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On August 15 2011 21:00 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 20:59 Fangzhou wrote:On August 15 2011 20:57 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:48 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:44 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:39 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:30 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:20 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:18 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:10 Termit wrote:
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Dignitas have Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW - all taking games of Korea based players at almost every single event they are playing.
But yeah I guess you only have need to have 1 strong player to be the best foreign team (EG), don't you? Argh, another person who fails to read, IN MY VIEW i said, they have to be able to beat koreans, Idra was Code S then he left to join up with the revolution at EG. HuK is in Code S and doesnt look like he is in any form of dropping out this season. Naniwa? Wow he did well in code A didnt he, losing to a Zerg of poor form in Check? Sjow, yeah he did awesome @ MLG taking 1 game off a korean lol makes him awesome. SeleCT yeah he is very good going 1-4 in his MLG group. Then the Champ Bracket, well Sjow beat Haypro 2-1 then Lost 2-0 to HuK? Then Seelct beat whitera 2-1 and Lost 2-1 to Slush? Naniwa beat idra with 2 1base all ins (Idra was clearly off form all weekend) and yet he still made it 2-1. Then got destroyed 2-0 by MMA? So if you want to play fact game we can. Other than that it was my view that Idra and HuK are the best 2 foreigners and there teams are considered the strongest 1s because of it. Lol you didn't say anything about "YOUR VIEW" in your post. And your game knowledge is about as good as my moms with your little story about dignitas players. Can't take you seriously. Your kidding right? Dude im from England, Dignitas is the only pro gaming team from ENGLAND, they are my home team if you like. I know more about Dignitas than you probably do, just because Naniwa plays for them. I know more about the rest of Dignitas, as i followed there FIFA team for years. You mentioned they "recently" took games off Koreans , and i just told you there "Recent" results. So...Little knowledge or recent facts whatever you think Define recent results? Like MLG Dallas? Coloumbus? Homstory cup, Blizz invite thingy or just MLG Anaheim and Code A? I can't really tell, because you are hating on Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW for their results the last month (select even won Blizz NA yesterday) when they still have far better results against both koreans and foreigners than a team like EG and Naniwa has been fighting about the best foreigner "spot" with HuK all summer but you are still making it look like his shit. And on top of all that you are defending IdrA with that he lost to all-ins and he was "clearly off from all weekend" like if that would matter. And you are also using IdrA's old Code S spot to define how good he is and how that would make him the best foreigner? That was in freaking February dude. Recent results are Recently, i addressed SeleCTs recent win in NA BNet Invitational, Naniwa's MLG and Code A vs HuKs Code S MLG and Idra's. Saying Naniwa is better than Idra is completely wrong. Every caster seems to think Idra is the probably the best foriegner and has been for a long time. (Day9 recent quote from NA Bnet Invitational) Not going into no stupid argument over who is better and who is best. You have your opinion i have mine. But this started because your saying my facts are wrong and that you dont agree wtih my view on what makes a good team in a 1v1 game. So i suggest we leave it. And saying i know nothing about Dignitas would be like me saying you know nothing about SKGaming dude. Yes because we all know Day9 is not a close friend with IdrA and he is not superbias or anything no. IdrA won an MLG last year and Naniwa and HuK has been winning alot this year, how can you say IdrA is the best foreigner? I just don't get it. And you're the one going on about results in the first place. Either way, IdrA is the only one who has performed anything in EG while the rest of the guys goes like 0-10 in pool play and failing in open bracket @ MLG. How they can be hte best foreign team is for me a mystery. And what does that SK-gaming thing mean? Why would I know anything about them? :S Day9 knows the game inside and out, he is friend with idra yes. BUT he is friends with SeleCT he knows Naniwa, he is friendly with the HOLE sc2 scene he loves the game. Idra is the best played mechanically is how day9 rates him along with me. He abuses peoples mechanics who arent on the level with him (like he did with Sjow @ MLG) The results thing you dont understand so lets just forget that. The Sk comment was become SK is sweden's Biggest gaming team no? Dignitas is Engalnds ONLY gaming team and there a pretty good one in all aspects, and the BEST FIFA team in the world. Reason i said that comment. Probably should read some of the earlier posts, saying that Idra is the best player because Day9 said so is like saying Clide is the best player in the world because Artosis said so. We all know how accurate that is... He is talking about one aspect of his play, I don't think he said he is THE BEST player in the world.
Mr Pandemona here said earlier that Every caster seems to think Idra is the probably the best foriegner and has been for a long time. (Day9 recent quote from NA Bnet Invitational)
Which is why I made that comment. He only just now mentioned the mechanics part of the discussion. And yes I also think Idra's probably has the best mechanics among foreign players, but guess what mechanics aren't the only thing in the game. Just because you are the foreigner with the best mechanics doesn't mean you are the best foreigner (directed towards Pandemona not you)
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On August 15 2011 21:07 gehgrfhgrh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 21:05 Tschis wrote:On August 15 2011 20:55 Fangzhou wrote:On August 15 2011 20:44 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:39 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:30 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:20 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:18 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:10 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:08 Pandemona wrote:
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Really....theres 2 good foreigner players that can go toe to toe with the best...HuK and Idra? How is that an unfair comment? My view on best teams, the teams with the best players who can compete at highest level. EG have Idra, TL have HuK?
Dignitas have Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW - all taking games of Korea based players at almost every single event they are playing. But yeah I guess you only have need to have 1 strong player to be the best foreign team (EG), don't you? Argh, another person who fails to read, IN MY VIEW i said, they have to be able to beat koreans, Idra was Code S then he left to join up with the revolution at EG. HuK is in Code S and doesnt look like he is in any form of dropping out this season. Naniwa? Wow he did well in code A didnt he, losing to a Zerg of poor form in Check? Sjow, yeah he did awesome @ MLG taking 1 game off a korean lol makes him awesome. SeleCT yeah he is very good going 1-4 in his MLG group. Then the Champ Bracket, well Sjow beat Haypro 2-1 then Lost 2-0 to HuK? Then Seelct beat whitera 2-1 and Lost 2-1 to Slush? Naniwa beat idra with 2 1base all ins (Idra was clearly off form all weekend) and yet he still made it 2-1. Then got destroyed 2-0 by MMA? So if you want to play fact game we can. Other than that it was my view that Idra and HuK are the best 2 foreigners and there teams are considered the strongest 1s because of it. Lol you didn't say anything about "YOUR VIEW" in your post. And your game knowledge is about as good as my moms with your little story about dignitas players. Can't take you seriously. Your kidding right? Dude im from England, Dignitas is the only pro gaming team from ENGLAND, they are my home team if you like. I know more about Dignitas than you probably do, just because Naniwa plays for them. I know more about the rest of Dignitas, as i followed there FIFA team for years. You mentioned they "recently" took games off Koreans , and i just told you there "Recent" results. So...Little knowledge or recent facts whatever you think Define recent results? Like MLG Dallas? Coloumbus? Homstory cup, Blizz invite thingy or just MLG Anaheim and Code A? I can't really tell, because you are hating on Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW for their results the last month (select even won Blizz NA yesterday) when they still have far better results against both koreans and foreigners than a team like EG and Naniwa has been fighting about the best foreigner "spot" with HuK all summer but you are still making it look like his shit. And on top of all that you are defending IdrA with that he lost to all-ins and he was "clearly off from all weekend" like if that would matter. And you are also using IdrA's old Code S spot to define how good he is and how that would make him the best foreigner? That was in freaking February dude. Recent results are Recently, i addressed SeleCTs recent win in NA BNet Invitational, Naniwa's MLG and Code A vs HuKs Code S MLG and Idra's. Saying Naniwa is better than Idra is completely wrong. Every caster seems to think Idra is the probably the best foriegner and has been for a long time. (Day9 recent quote from NA Bnet Invitational) Not going into no stupid argument over who is better and who is best. You have your opinion i have mine. But this started because your saying my facts are wrong and that you dont agree wtih my view on what makes a good team in a 1v1 game. So i suggest we leave it. And saying i know nothing about Dignitas would be like me saying you know nothing about SKGaming dude. Just wondering, what event has Idra won in the last couple of months besides IPL1 (which barely counts because it's been forever since then and competition was pretty bad in it) What tournament has Idra done significantly better than Naniwa in the last 2 months? I would definitely like to hear some? Now how many tournaments has Naniwa won/placed well in the last couple of months? And using Day9's quote of Idra being the best foreigner as proof is just sad.... Tournament results determine who's good not what important casters think. Otherwise Clide should be the best player in the world by far and have won 5 GSL's by now according to Artosis Like seriously dude, just stop, when you got half the thread against you and not a single person agreeing with you, you should know something is wrong IdrA's latest achievement on liquipedia: 4th in MLG naniwa's latest achievement on liquipedia: 8th in MLG (not counting the tournaments they can't both participate in) Last MLG: #7 HuK #8 NaNiwa #9 IdrA HuK and NaNi are clearly way better than IdrA ever was.
Yet Idra's performance in the GSL is better than both Huk and Naniwa's ever was
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On August 15 2011 21:02 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 20:57 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:48 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:44 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:39 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:30 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:20 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:18 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:10 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:08 Pandemona wrote:
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Really....theres 2 good foreigner players that can go toe to toe with the best...HuK and Idra? How is that an unfair comment? My view on best teams, the teams with the best players who can compete at highest level. EG have Idra, TL have HuK?
Dignitas have Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW - all taking games of Korea based players at almost every single event they are playing. But yeah I guess you only have need to have 1 strong player to be the best foreign team (EG), don't you? Argh, another person who fails to read, IN MY VIEW i said, they have to be able to beat koreans, Idra was Code S then he left to join up with the revolution at EG. HuK is in Code S and doesnt look like he is in any form of dropping out this season. Naniwa? Wow he did well in code A didnt he, losing to a Zerg of poor form in Check? Sjow, yeah he did awesome @ MLG taking 1 game off a korean lol makes him awesome. SeleCT yeah he is very good going 1-4 in his MLG group. Then the Champ Bracket, well Sjow beat Haypro 2-1 then Lost 2-0 to HuK? Then Seelct beat whitera 2-1 and Lost 2-1 to Slush? Naniwa beat idra with 2 1base all ins (Idra was clearly off form all weekend) and yet he still made it 2-1. Then got destroyed 2-0 by MMA? So if you want to play fact game we can. Other than that it was my view that Idra and HuK are the best 2 foreigners and there teams are considered the strongest 1s because of it. Lol you didn't say anything about "YOUR VIEW" in your post. And your game knowledge is about as good as my moms with your little story about dignitas players. Can't take you seriously. Your kidding right? Dude im from England, Dignitas is the only pro gaming team from ENGLAND, they are my home team if you like. I know more about Dignitas than you probably do, just because Naniwa plays for them. I know more about the rest of Dignitas, as i followed there FIFA team for years. You mentioned they "recently" took games off Koreans , and i just told you there "Recent" results. So...Little knowledge or recent facts whatever you think Define recent results? Like MLG Dallas? Coloumbus? Homstory cup, Blizz invite thingy or just MLG Anaheim and Code A? I can't really tell, because you are hating on Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW for their results the last month (select even won Blizz NA yesterday) when they still have far better results against both koreans and foreigners than a team like EG and Naniwa has been fighting about the best foreigner "spot" with HuK all summer but you are still making it look like his shit. And on top of all that you are defending IdrA with that he lost to all-ins and he was "clearly off from all weekend" like if that would matter. And you are also using IdrA's old Code S spot to define how good he is and how that would make him the best foreigner? That was in freaking February dude. Recent results are Recently, i addressed SeleCTs recent win in NA BNet Invitational, Naniwa's MLG and Code A vs HuKs Code S MLG and Idra's. Saying Naniwa is better than Idra is completely wrong. Every caster seems to think Idra is the probably the best foriegner and has been for a long time. (Day9 recent quote from NA Bnet Invitational) Not going into no stupid argument over who is better and who is best. You have your opinion i have mine. But this started because your saying my facts are wrong and that you dont agree wtih my view on what makes a good team in a 1v1 game. So i suggest we leave it. And saying i know nothing about Dignitas would be like me saying you know nothing about SKGaming dude. Yes because we all know Day9 is not a close friend with IdrA and he is not superbias or anything no. IdrA won an MLG last year and Naniwa and HuK has been winning alot this year, how can you say IdrA is the best foreigner? I just don't get it. And you're the one going on about results in the first place. Either way, IdrA is the only one who has performed anything in EG while the rest of the guys goes like 0-10 in pool play and failing in open bracket @ MLG. How they can be hte best foreign team is for me a mystery. And what does that SK-gaming thing mean? Why would I know anything about them? :S Day9 knows the game inside and out, he is friend with idra yes. BUT he is friends with SeleCT he knows Naniwa, he is friendly with the HOLE sc2 scene he loves the game. Idra is the best played mechanically is how day9 rates him along with me. He abuses peoples mechanics who arent on the level with him (like he did with Sjow @ MLG) The results thing you dont understand so lets just forget that. The Sk comment was become SK is sweden's Biggest gaming team no? Dignitas is Engalnds ONLY gaming team and there a pretty good one in all aspects, and the BEST FIFA team in the world. Reason i said that comment. First of all, SK are German. Next, 4K are English. And he's completely right on the results. Recently the likes of Naniwa and HuK have way better results than IdrA. He even beat him in MLG. And HuK has beaten him quite a few times of late. So to say IdrA is the best foreigner is just silly.
To mention 4K being better or same skill level as Dignitas is stupid. SK gaming has swedish CS team which i followed i put 2 and 2 together. I was wrong i admit.
Recent results HuK beat idra in MLG 1st of this season i beleive? 2-0 then Idra beat him 4-1 after that in the same tournament? Recently errm? Beat him in HSC3 2-1 and BNet Invitational 2-0. Ok makes sense.
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On August 15 2011 21:05 Tschis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 20:55 Fangzhou wrote:On August 15 2011 20:44 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:39 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:30 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:20 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:18 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:10 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:08 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:04 Termit wrote:
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LoL TL and EG are rivals for the best foreign team, really dude? Really....theres 2 good foreigner players that can go toe to toe with the best...HuK and Idra? How is that an unfair comment? My view on best teams, the teams with the best players who can compete at highest level. EG have Idra, TL have HuK? Dignitas have Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW - all taking games of Korea based players at almost every single event they are playing. But yeah I guess you only have need to have 1 strong player to be the best foreign team (EG), don't you? Argh, another person who fails to read, IN MY VIEW i said, they have to be able to beat koreans, Idra was Code S then he left to join up with the revolution at EG. HuK is in Code S and doesnt look like he is in any form of dropping out this season. Naniwa? Wow he did well in code A didnt he, losing to a Zerg of poor form in Check? Sjow, yeah he did awesome @ MLG taking 1 game off a korean lol makes him awesome. SeleCT yeah he is very good going 1-4 in his MLG group. Then the Champ Bracket, well Sjow beat Haypro 2-1 then Lost 2-0 to HuK? Then Seelct beat whitera 2-1 and Lost 2-1 to Slush? Naniwa beat idra with 2 1base all ins (Idra was clearly off form all weekend) and yet he still made it 2-1. Then got destroyed 2-0 by MMA? So if you want to play fact game we can. Other than that it was my view that Idra and HuK are the best 2 foreigners and there teams are considered the strongest 1s because of it. Lol you didn't say anything about "YOUR VIEW" in your post. And your game knowledge is about as good as my moms with your little story about dignitas players. Can't take you seriously. Your kidding right? Dude im from England, Dignitas is the only pro gaming team from ENGLAND, they are my home team if you like. I know more about Dignitas than you probably do, just because Naniwa plays for them. I know more about the rest of Dignitas, as i followed there FIFA team for years. You mentioned they "recently" took games off Koreans , and i just told you there "Recent" results. So...Little knowledge or recent facts whatever you think Define recent results? Like MLG Dallas? Coloumbus? Homstory cup, Blizz invite thingy or just MLG Anaheim and Code A? I can't really tell, because you are hating on Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW for their results the last month (select even won Blizz NA yesterday) when they still have far better results against both koreans and foreigners than a team like EG and Naniwa has been fighting about the best foreigner "spot" with HuK all summer but you are still making it look like his shit. And on top of all that you are defending IdrA with that he lost to all-ins and he was "clearly off from all weekend" like if that would matter. And you are also using IdrA's old Code S spot to define how good he is and how that would make him the best foreigner? That was in freaking February dude. Recent results are Recently, i addressed SeleCTs recent win in NA BNet Invitational, Naniwa's MLG and Code A vs HuKs Code S MLG and Idra's. Saying Naniwa is better than Idra is completely wrong. Every caster seems to think Idra is the probably the best foriegner and has been for a long time. (Day9 recent quote from NA Bnet Invitational) Not going into no stupid argument over who is better and who is best. You have your opinion i have mine. But this started because your saying my facts are wrong and that you dont agree wtih my view on what makes a good team in a 1v1 game. So i suggest we leave it. And saying i know nothing about Dignitas would be like me saying you know nothing about SKGaming dude. Just wondering, what event has Idra won in the last couple of months besides IPL1 (which barely counts because it's been forever since then and competition was pretty bad in it) What tournament has Idra done significantly better than Naniwa in the last 2 months? I would definitely like to hear some? Now how many tournaments has Naniwa won/placed well in the last couple of months? And using Day9's quote of Idra being the best foreigner as proof is just sad.... Tournament results determine who's good not what important casters think. Otherwise Clide should be the best player in the world by far and have won 5 GSL's by now according to Artosis Like seriously dude, just stop, when you got half the thread against you and not a single person agreeing with you, you should know something is wrong IdrA's latest achievement on liquipedia: 4th in MLG naniwa's latest achievement on liquipedia: 8th in MLG (not counting the tournaments they can't both participate in)
That's 2 MLG's ago.....
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The four horsemen are a sign of the apocalypse.
EG getting 4 protoss to join a team with IdrA, thus causing the SC2 apocalypse? Cruncher, HuK, Nani and CombatEX to EG? Laf.
Sadly, with that Supernova Twitter thing, I'd guess it is in fact to do with HuK. Would be interesting to see if Supernova deletes that post before the countdown expires.
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On August 15 2011 21:08 coddan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 21:07 gehgrfhgrh wrote:On August 15 2011 21:05 Tschis wrote:On August 15 2011 20:55 Fangzhou wrote:On August 15 2011 20:44 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:39 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:30 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:20 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:18 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:10 Termit wrote:
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Dignitas have Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW - all taking games of Korea based players at almost every single event they are playing.
But yeah I guess you only have need to have 1 strong player to be the best foreign team (EG), don't you? Argh, another person who fails to read, IN MY VIEW i said, they have to be able to beat koreans, Idra was Code S then he left to join up with the revolution at EG. HuK is in Code S and doesnt look like he is in any form of dropping out this season. Naniwa? Wow he did well in code A didnt he, losing to a Zerg of poor form in Check? Sjow, yeah he did awesome @ MLG taking 1 game off a korean lol makes him awesome. SeleCT yeah he is very good going 1-4 in his MLG group. Then the Champ Bracket, well Sjow beat Haypro 2-1 then Lost 2-0 to HuK? Then Seelct beat whitera 2-1 and Lost 2-1 to Slush? Naniwa beat idra with 2 1base all ins (Idra was clearly off form all weekend) and yet he still made it 2-1. Then got destroyed 2-0 by MMA? So if you want to play fact game we can. Other than that it was my view that Idra and HuK are the best 2 foreigners and there teams are considered the strongest 1s because of it. Lol you didn't say anything about "YOUR VIEW" in your post. And your game knowledge is about as good as my moms with your little story about dignitas players. Can't take you seriously. Your kidding right? Dude im from England, Dignitas is the only pro gaming team from ENGLAND, they are my home team if you like. I know more about Dignitas than you probably do, just because Naniwa plays for them. I know more about the rest of Dignitas, as i followed there FIFA team for years. You mentioned they "recently" took games off Koreans , and i just told you there "Recent" results. So...Little knowledge or recent facts whatever you think Define recent results? Like MLG Dallas? Coloumbus? Homstory cup, Blizz invite thingy or just MLG Anaheim and Code A? I can't really tell, because you are hating on Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW for their results the last month (select even won Blizz NA yesterday) when they still have far better results against both koreans and foreigners than a team like EG and Naniwa has been fighting about the best foreigner "spot" with HuK all summer but you are still making it look like his shit. And on top of all that you are defending IdrA with that he lost to all-ins and he was "clearly off from all weekend" like if that would matter. And you are also using IdrA's old Code S spot to define how good he is and how that would make him the best foreigner? That was in freaking February dude. Recent results are Recently, i addressed SeleCTs recent win in NA BNet Invitational, Naniwa's MLG and Code A vs HuKs Code S MLG and Idra's. Saying Naniwa is better than Idra is completely wrong. Every caster seems to think Idra is the probably the best foriegner and has been for a long time. (Day9 recent quote from NA Bnet Invitational) Not going into no stupid argument over who is better and who is best. You have your opinion i have mine. But this started because your saying my facts are wrong and that you dont agree wtih my view on what makes a good team in a 1v1 game. So i suggest we leave it. And saying i know nothing about Dignitas would be like me saying you know nothing about SKGaming dude. Just wondering, what event has Idra won in the last couple of months besides IPL1 (which barely counts because it's been forever since then and competition was pretty bad in it) What tournament has Idra done significantly better than Naniwa in the last 2 months? I would definitely like to hear some? Now how many tournaments has Naniwa won/placed well in the last couple of months? And using Day9's quote of Idra being the best foreigner as proof is just sad.... Tournament results determine who's good not what important casters think. Otherwise Clide should be the best player in the world by far and have won 5 GSL's by now according to Artosis Like seriously dude, just stop, when you got half the thread against you and not a single person agreeing with you, you should know something is wrong IdrA's latest achievement on liquipedia: 4th in MLG naniwa's latest achievement on liquipedia: 8th in MLG (not counting the tournaments they can't both participate in) Last MLG: #7 HuK #8 NaNiwa #9 IdrA HuK and NaNi are clearly way better than IdrA ever was. Yet Idra's performance in the GSL is better than both Huk and Naniwa's ever was
One of the worst statements ive ever seen..
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On August 15 2011 21:05 Tschis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 20:55 Fangzhou wrote:On August 15 2011 20:44 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:39 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:30 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:20 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:18 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:10 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:08 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:04 Termit wrote:
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LoL TL and EG are rivals for the best foreign team, really dude? Really....theres 2 good foreigner players that can go toe to toe with the best...HuK and Idra? How is that an unfair comment? My view on best teams, the teams with the best players who can compete at highest level. EG have Idra, TL have HuK? Dignitas have Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW - all taking games of Korea based players at almost every single event they are playing. But yeah I guess you only have need to have 1 strong player to be the best foreign team (EG), don't you? Argh, another person who fails to read, IN MY VIEW i said, they have to be able to beat koreans, Idra was Code S then he left to join up with the revolution at EG. HuK is in Code S and doesnt look like he is in any form of dropping out this season. Naniwa? Wow he did well in code A didnt he, losing to a Zerg of poor form in Check? Sjow, yeah he did awesome @ MLG taking 1 game off a korean lol makes him awesome. SeleCT yeah he is very good going 1-4 in his MLG group. Then the Champ Bracket, well Sjow beat Haypro 2-1 then Lost 2-0 to HuK? Then Seelct beat whitera 2-1 and Lost 2-1 to Slush? Naniwa beat idra with 2 1base all ins (Idra was clearly off form all weekend) and yet he still made it 2-1. Then got destroyed 2-0 by MMA? So if you want to play fact game we can. Other than that it was my view that Idra and HuK are the best 2 foreigners and there teams are considered the strongest 1s because of it. Lol you didn't say anything about "YOUR VIEW" in your post. And your game knowledge is about as good as my moms with your little story about dignitas players. Can't take you seriously. Your kidding right? Dude im from England, Dignitas is the only pro gaming team from ENGLAND, they are my home team if you like. I know more about Dignitas than you probably do, just because Naniwa plays for them. I know more about the rest of Dignitas, as i followed there FIFA team for years. You mentioned they "recently" took games off Koreans , and i just told you there "Recent" results. So...Little knowledge or recent facts whatever you think Define recent results? Like MLG Dallas? Coloumbus? Homstory cup, Blizz invite thingy or just MLG Anaheim and Code A? I can't really tell, because you are hating on Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW for their results the last month (select even won Blizz NA yesterday) when they still have far better results against both koreans and foreigners than a team like EG and Naniwa has been fighting about the best foreigner "spot" with HuK all summer but you are still making it look like his shit. And on top of all that you are defending IdrA with that he lost to all-ins and he was "clearly off from all weekend" like if that would matter. And you are also using IdrA's old Code S spot to define how good he is and how that would make him the best foreigner? That was in freaking February dude. Recent results are Recently, i addressed SeleCTs recent win in NA BNet Invitational, Naniwa's MLG and Code A vs HuKs Code S MLG and Idra's. Saying Naniwa is better than Idra is completely wrong. Every caster seems to think Idra is the probably the best foriegner and has been for a long time. (Day9 recent quote from NA Bnet Invitational) Not going into no stupid argument over who is better and who is best. You have your opinion i have mine. But this started because your saying my facts are wrong and that you dont agree wtih my view on what makes a good team in a 1v1 game. So i suggest we leave it. And saying i know nothing about Dignitas would be like me saying you know nothing about SKGaming dude. Just wondering, what event has Idra won in the last couple of months besides IPL1 (which barely counts because it's been forever since then and competition was pretty bad in it) What tournament has Idra done significantly better than Naniwa in the last 2 months? I would definitely like to hear some? Now how many tournaments has Naniwa won/placed well in the last couple of months? And using Day9's quote of Idra being the best foreigner as proof is just sad.... Tournament results determine who's good not what important casters think. Otherwise Clide should be the best player in the world by far and have won 5 GSL's by now according to Artosis Like seriously dude, just stop, when you got half the thread against you and not a single person agreeing with you, you should know something is wrong IdrA's latest achievement on liquipedia: 4th in MLG naniwa's latest achievement on liquipedia: 8th in MLG (not counting the tournaments they can't both participate in)
Are you serious?
Naniwa placed higher than Idra (in fact beating him) in MLG Anaheim (the most recent one). Naniwa also placed higher than Idra in MLG Columbus.
Liquipedia is not always most up to date.
Also Naniwa placed second in the EU Battlenet Invitational which is arguably harder than the NA Battlenet Invitational in which Idra placed 4th.
EDIT: Naniwa has also placed higher than Idra in every event which they attended together (in 2011), Dreamhack, Homestory Cup, TSL 3, MLG Dallas.
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On August 15 2011 21:08 SafeAsCheese wrote:this thread gets more posts than a lot of live report threads
Essentially this is a long LR thread, the only difference is that only the admins can see the game and they aren't telling us anything.
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On August 15 2011 21:05 Tschis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 20:55 Fangzhou wrote:On August 15 2011 20:44 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:39 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:30 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:20 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:18 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:10 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:08 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:04 Termit wrote:
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LoL TL and EG are rivals for the best foreign team, really dude? Really....theres 2 good foreigner players that can go toe to toe with the best...HuK and Idra? How is that an unfair comment? My view on best teams, the teams with the best players who can compete at highest level. EG have Idra, TL have HuK? Dignitas have Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW - all taking games of Korea based players at almost every single event they are playing. But yeah I guess you only have need to have 1 strong player to be the best foreign team (EG), don't you? Argh, another person who fails to read, IN MY VIEW i said, they have to be able to beat koreans, Idra was Code S then he left to join up with the revolution at EG. HuK is in Code S and doesnt look like he is in any form of dropping out this season. Naniwa? Wow he did well in code A didnt he, losing to a Zerg of poor form in Check? Sjow, yeah he did awesome @ MLG taking 1 game off a korean lol makes him awesome. SeleCT yeah he is very good going 1-4 in his MLG group. Then the Champ Bracket, well Sjow beat Haypro 2-1 then Lost 2-0 to HuK? Then Seelct beat whitera 2-1 and Lost 2-1 to Slush? Naniwa beat idra with 2 1base all ins (Idra was clearly off form all weekend) and yet he still made it 2-1. Then got destroyed 2-0 by MMA? So if you want to play fact game we can. Other than that it was my view that Idra and HuK are the best 2 foreigners and there teams are considered the strongest 1s because of it. Lol you didn't say anything about "YOUR VIEW" in your post. And your game knowledge is about as good as my moms with your little story about dignitas players. Can't take you seriously. Your kidding right? Dude im from England, Dignitas is the only pro gaming team from ENGLAND, they are my home team if you like. I know more about Dignitas than you probably do, just because Naniwa plays for them. I know more about the rest of Dignitas, as i followed there FIFA team for years. You mentioned they "recently" took games off Koreans , and i just told you there "Recent" results. So...Little knowledge or recent facts whatever you think Define recent results? Like MLG Dallas? Coloumbus? Homstory cup, Blizz invite thingy or just MLG Anaheim and Code A? I can't really tell, because you are hating on Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW for their results the last month (select even won Blizz NA yesterday) when they still have far better results against both koreans and foreigners than a team like EG and Naniwa has been fighting about the best foreigner "spot" with HuK all summer but you are still making it look like his shit. And on top of all that you are defending IdrA with that he lost to all-ins and he was "clearly off from all weekend" like if that would matter. And you are also using IdrA's old Code S spot to define how good he is and how that would make him the best foreigner? That was in freaking February dude. Recent results are Recently, i addressed SeleCTs recent win in NA BNet Invitational, Naniwa's MLG and Code A vs HuKs Code S MLG and Idra's. Saying Naniwa is better than Idra is completely wrong. Every caster seems to think Idra is the probably the best foriegner and has been for a long time. (Day9 recent quote from NA Bnet Invitational) Not going into no stupid argument over who is better and who is best. You have your opinion i have mine. But this started because your saying my facts are wrong and that you dont agree wtih my view on what makes a good team in a 1v1 game. So i suggest we leave it. And saying i know nothing about Dignitas would be like me saying you know nothing about SKGaming dude. Just wondering, what event has Idra won in the last couple of months besides IPL1 (which barely counts because it's been forever since then and competition was pretty bad in it) What tournament has Idra done significantly better than Naniwa in the last 2 months? I would definitely like to hear some? Now how many tournaments has Naniwa won/placed well in the last couple of months? And using Day9's quote of Idra being the best foreigner as proof is just sad.... Tournament results determine who's good not what important casters think. Otherwise Clide should be the best player in the world by far and have won 5 GSL's by now according to Artosis Like seriously dude, just stop, when you got half the thread against you and not a single person agreeing with you, you should know something is wrong IdrA's latest achievement on liquipedia: 4th in MLG naniwa's latest achievement on liquipedia: 8th in MLG (not counting the tournaments they can't both participate in)
You know you don't watch SC2 when you quote the whole latest achievements.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Anaheim#Final_Top_32_Rankings.5B7.5D
8. Naniwa
9. Idra
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EG + liquid for GSTL? Is anyone else planning to go to korea and does idra have a code A spot from mlg? Maybe some type of joint effort would give them enough points to qualify?
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On August 15 2011 21:08 coddan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 21:07 gehgrfhgrh wrote:On August 15 2011 21:05 Tschis wrote:On August 15 2011 20:55 Fangzhou wrote:On August 15 2011 20:44 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:39 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:30 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:20 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:18 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:10 Termit wrote:
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Dignitas have Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW - all taking games of Korea based players at almost every single event they are playing.
But yeah I guess you only have need to have 1 strong player to be the best foreign team (EG), don't you? Argh, another person who fails to read, IN MY VIEW i said, they have to be able to beat koreans, Idra was Code S then he left to join up with the revolution at EG. HuK is in Code S and doesnt look like he is in any form of dropping out this season. Naniwa? Wow he did well in code A didnt he, losing to a Zerg of poor form in Check? Sjow, yeah he did awesome @ MLG taking 1 game off a korean lol makes him awesome. SeleCT yeah he is very good going 1-4 in his MLG group. Then the Champ Bracket, well Sjow beat Haypro 2-1 then Lost 2-0 to HuK? Then Seelct beat whitera 2-1 and Lost 2-1 to Slush? Naniwa beat idra with 2 1base all ins (Idra was clearly off form all weekend) and yet he still made it 2-1. Then got destroyed 2-0 by MMA? So if you want to play fact game we can. Other than that it was my view that Idra and HuK are the best 2 foreigners and there teams are considered the strongest 1s because of it. Lol you didn't say anything about "YOUR VIEW" in your post. And your game knowledge is about as good as my moms with your little story about dignitas players. Can't take you seriously. Your kidding right? Dude im from England, Dignitas is the only pro gaming team from ENGLAND, they are my home team if you like. I know more about Dignitas than you probably do, just because Naniwa plays for them. I know more about the rest of Dignitas, as i followed there FIFA team for years. You mentioned they "recently" took games off Koreans , and i just told you there "Recent" results. So...Little knowledge or recent facts whatever you think Define recent results? Like MLG Dallas? Coloumbus? Homstory cup, Blizz invite thingy or just MLG Anaheim and Code A? I can't really tell, because you are hating on Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW for their results the last month (select even won Blizz NA yesterday) when they still have far better results against both koreans and foreigners than a team like EG and Naniwa has been fighting about the best foreigner "spot" with HuK all summer but you are still making it look like his shit. And on top of all that you are defending IdrA with that he lost to all-ins and he was "clearly off from all weekend" like if that would matter. And you are also using IdrA's old Code S spot to define how good he is and how that would make him the best foreigner? That was in freaking February dude. Recent results are Recently, i addressed SeleCTs recent win in NA BNet Invitational, Naniwa's MLG and Code A vs HuKs Code S MLG and Idra's. Saying Naniwa is better than Idra is completely wrong. Every caster seems to think Idra is the probably the best foriegner and has been for a long time. (Day9 recent quote from NA Bnet Invitational) Not going into no stupid argument over who is better and who is best. You have your opinion i have mine. But this started because your saying my facts are wrong and that you dont agree wtih my view on what makes a good team in a 1v1 game. So i suggest we leave it. And saying i know nothing about Dignitas would be like me saying you know nothing about SKGaming dude. Just wondering, what event has Idra won in the last couple of months besides IPL1 (which barely counts because it's been forever since then and competition was pretty bad in it) What tournament has Idra done significantly better than Naniwa in the last 2 months? I would definitely like to hear some? Now how many tournaments has Naniwa won/placed well in the last couple of months? And using Day9's quote of Idra being the best foreigner as proof is just sad.... Tournament results determine who's good not what important casters think. Otherwise Clide should be the best player in the world by far and have won 5 GSL's by now according to Artosis Like seriously dude, just stop, when you got half the thread against you and not a single person agreeing with you, you should know something is wrong IdrA's latest achievement on liquipedia: 4th in MLG naniwa's latest achievement on liquipedia: 8th in MLG (not counting the tournaments they can't both participate in) Last MLG: #7 HuK #8 NaNiwa #9 IdrA HuK and NaNi are clearly way better than IdrA ever was. Yet Idra's performance in the GSL is better than both Huk and Naniwa's ever was
LOL! In the early Seasons, in which even Artosis and Torch were able to qualify and Jinro made it to RO4. The first 3-4 GSLs were like Bronze-League compared to now.
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On August 15 2011 21:09 Chibithor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 21:08 SafeAsCheese wrote:this thread gets more posts than a lot of live report threads Essentially this is a long LR thread, the only difference is that only the admins can see the game and they aren't telling us anything.
nobody is actually live reporting.... 
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On August 15 2011 21:08 coddan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 21:07 gehgrfhgrh wrote:On August 15 2011 21:05 Tschis wrote:On August 15 2011 20:55 Fangzhou wrote:On August 15 2011 20:44 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:39 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:30 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:20 Termit wrote:On August 15 2011 20:18 Pandemona wrote:On August 15 2011 20:10 Termit wrote:
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Dignitas have Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW - all taking games of Korea based players at almost every single event they are playing.
But yeah I guess you only have need to have 1 strong player to be the best foreign team (EG), don't you? Argh, another person who fails to read, IN MY VIEW i said, they have to be able to beat koreans, Idra was Code S then he left to join up with the revolution at EG. HuK is in Code S and doesnt look like he is in any form of dropping out this season. Naniwa? Wow he did well in code A didnt he, losing to a Zerg of poor form in Check? Sjow, yeah he did awesome @ MLG taking 1 game off a korean lol makes him awesome. SeleCT yeah he is very good going 1-4 in his MLG group. Then the Champ Bracket, well Sjow beat Haypro 2-1 then Lost 2-0 to HuK? Then Seelct beat whitera 2-1 and Lost 2-1 to Slush? Naniwa beat idra with 2 1base all ins (Idra was clearly off form all weekend) and yet he still made it 2-1. Then got destroyed 2-0 by MMA? So if you want to play fact game we can. Other than that it was my view that Idra and HuK are the best 2 foreigners and there teams are considered the strongest 1s because of it. Lol you didn't say anything about "YOUR VIEW" in your post. And your game knowledge is about as good as my moms with your little story about dignitas players. Can't take you seriously. Your kidding right? Dude im from England, Dignitas is the only pro gaming team from ENGLAND, they are my home team if you like. I know more about Dignitas than you probably do, just because Naniwa plays for them. I know more about the rest of Dignitas, as i followed there FIFA team for years. You mentioned they "recently" took games off Koreans , and i just told you there "Recent" results. So...Little knowledge or recent facts whatever you think Define recent results? Like MLG Dallas? Coloumbus? Homstory cup, Blizz invite thingy or just MLG Anaheim and Code A? I can't really tell, because you are hating on Naniwa, SeleCT and SjoW for their results the last month (select even won Blizz NA yesterday) when they still have far better results against both koreans and foreigners than a team like EG and Naniwa has been fighting about the best foreigner "spot" with HuK all summer but you are still making it look like his shit. And on top of all that you are defending IdrA with that he lost to all-ins and he was "clearly off from all weekend" like if that would matter. And you are also using IdrA's old Code S spot to define how good he is and how that would make him the best foreigner? That was in freaking February dude. Recent results are Recently, i addressed SeleCTs recent win in NA BNet Invitational, Naniwa's MLG and Code A vs HuKs Code S MLG and Idra's. Saying Naniwa is better than Idra is completely wrong. Every caster seems to think Idra is the probably the best foriegner and has been for a long time. (Day9 recent quote from NA Bnet Invitational) Not going into no stupid argument over who is better and who is best. You have your opinion i have mine. But this started because your saying my facts are wrong and that you dont agree wtih my view on what makes a good team in a 1v1 game. So i suggest we leave it. And saying i know nothing about Dignitas would be like me saying you know nothing about SKGaming dude. Just wondering, what event has Idra won in the last couple of months besides IPL1 (which barely counts because it's been forever since then and competition was pretty bad in it) What tournament has Idra done significantly better than Naniwa in the last 2 months? I would definitely like to hear some? Now how many tournaments has Naniwa won/placed well in the last couple of months? And using Day9's quote of Idra being the best foreigner as proof is just sad.... Tournament results determine who's good not what important casters think. Otherwise Clide should be the best player in the world by far and have won 5 GSL's by now according to Artosis Like seriously dude, just stop, when you got half the thread against you and not a single person agreeing with you, you should know something is wrong IdrA's latest achievement on liquipedia: 4th in MLG naniwa's latest achievement on liquipedia: 8th in MLG (not counting the tournaments they can't both participate in) Last MLG: #7 HuK #8 NaNiwa #9 IdrA HuK and NaNi are clearly way better than IdrA ever was. Yet Idra's performance in the GSL is better than both Huk and Naniwa's ever was
Idras performance back when the GSL had like 1/10th of the competition and level of play it has now?
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On August 15 2011 21:05 cheesemaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 20:55 zul wrote:
Who came up with the HuK-stuff? the oGsSupernova tweet is obv. not related with this. So much speculation going on in here...which not exactly bad, but most of it is based on nothing. How is it not related, someone asked him if he was sad that huk is joining EG, or something. And he said. No T.T very sad. That seems like some solid proof right there. Clearly ogssuprnova didnt know weather it had been announced yet,. its probably common knowledge in korea though at least among the OGS house.
For me Heosat's reply on reddit looked like the killing blow :-(
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On August 15 2011 21:10 dacthehork wrote:
EG + liquid for GSTL? Is anyone else planning to go to korea and does idra have a code A spot from mlg?
no buts he going to have a code S spot after this MLG coming up. *BOOM*
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