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On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
What always surprised me in things like this is that no one tries to do anything despite being unarmed. Yes this time it was kids so I understand the whole running part but if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
I do realize this sounds logical from a "sitting behind the computer screen" perspective but still I can't help thinking about it
Oh and also on the topic about no guards on the island. If the guy was disguised as a cop wouldn't it make sense he would target the guard/guards first in a surprise attack and thus they would be completely "useless" when it comes to controlling the situation
Most people on the island were apparently children, what do you expect them to do?
Besides, once the shooter has cleared his immediate surroundings, who is crazy enough to charge him on an open field?
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On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
What always surprised me in things like this is that no one tries to do anything despite being unarmed. Yes this time it was kids so I understand the whole running part but if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
I do realize this sounds logical from a "sitting behind the computer screen" perspective but still I can't help thinking about it
Oh and also on the topic about no guards on the island. If the guy was disguised as a cop wouldn't it make sense he would target the guard/guards first in a surprise attack and thus they would be completely "useless" when it comes to controlling the situation
Hahaha. Yeah if there was a dude shooting up a place I'm sure my first reaction would be to bum rush the guy, especially if i was just a kid...
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On July 23 2011 04:00 Frigo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:37 c24papa wrote:
The shooter was Aryan so it may have been right extremists. Uh huh, cause we all know muslims are stereotypical brownish skinned arab people with towels around their head speaking with a strange accent. There are no such things as white muslims, converts, sympathizers, sleeper agents or plain madmen. White people can only be racist republicans. And I am the bigot... Show nested quote +I do not believe it was Islamic fundumentalists. They are just hogging the glory You underestimate what damage they are capable of, and what horrors they commit on a regular basis. I hope they will find everyone who is responsible for planning this complex attack, it's sickening. If it were up to me, they would have their harsh punishment, just as well the country of origin that allowed their organization to operate.
Well in the nordic countries its much more likely that it was a nut right extremist then a muslim terrorist. Seeing that he was probably norweigan (blonde) makes it even more likely. Several years ago some crazed guy in sweden went on a killing spree with a machine gun (Mattias Flink) and killed 7 random people. And similar things has happend in Finland.
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On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
What always surprised me in things like this is that no one tries to do anything despite being unarmed. Yes this time it was kids so I understand the whole running part but if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
I do realize this sounds logical from a "sitting behind the computer screen" perspective but still I can't help thinking about it
Oh and also on the topic about no guards on the island. If the guy was disguised as a cop wouldn't it make sense he would target the guard/guards first in a surprise attack and thus they would be completely "useless" when it comes to controlling the situation
I agree and think the same thing but there is a lot we don't know about the situation and a lot of circumstances to consider when doing something like this.
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On July 23 2011 04:04 trucane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:03 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
What always surprised me in things like this is that no one tries to do anything despite being unarmed. Yes this time it was kids so I understand the whole running part but if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
I do realize this sounds logical from a "sitting behind the computer screen" perspective but still I can't help thinking about it
Oh and also on the topic about no guards on the island. If the guy was disguised as a cop wouldn't it make sense he would target the guard/guards first in a surprise attack and thus they would be completely "useless" when it comes to controlling the situation If he had an ordinary gun, maybe, but the shooter used a fully automatic weapon. You can't really stop that with your fist. From what I read he had a regular Glock pistol and a Rifle with a scope. I presume the rifle wasn't a fully automatic one as I'm sure they would mentioned that.
Same, I am yet to have seen a single mention of automatic weapon from a norwegian source.
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On July 23 2011 04:03 Wivyx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
What always surprised me in things like this is that no one tries to do anything despite being unarmed. Yes this time it was kids so I understand the whole running part but if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
I do realize this sounds logical from a "sitting behind the computer screen" perspective but still I can't help thinking about it
Oh and also on the topic about no guards on the island. If the guy was disguised as a cop wouldn't it make sense he would target the guard/guards first in a surprise attack and thus they would be completely "useless" when it comes to controlling the situation If he had an ordinary gun, maybe, but the shooter used a fully automatic weapon. You can't really stop that with your fist.
Did they confirm it was an fully automatic weapon does any one know? All i heard was a rifle and a handgun
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I can't even begin to explain how saddened I am by this event. When 9/11 happened I was 10-11 years old I think and as a Polish-American I was moved but not to this extent.
When I heard of the bombing in Oslo I was shocked, but even more so when I learned that helpless kids (because what can you call a youth group of a political party) were trapped on an island shooting them. I can only imagine the horror of people running away, jumping into the water knowing that there was little to no chance they would survive. It truly tears apart my heart in two.
Like Jinro stated earlier, I am normally pretty jaded towards these types of events if they have no direct effect on me - however this one has really moved me like no other event has in the past.
I'm 20 years old, so not old by any standard however still my heart and prayers go out to all the families and parents that lost kids. No parent should ever outlive their kid.
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A terror group, Ansar al-Jihad al-Alami, or the Helpers of the Global Jihad, issued a statement claiming responsibility for the attack, according to Will McCants, a terrorism analyst at C.N.A., a research institute that studies terrorism. The message said the attack was a response to Norwegian forces’ presence in Afghanistan and to unspecified insults to the Prophet Muhammad. “We have warned since the Stockholm raid of more operations,” the group said, according to Mr. McCants’ translation, apparently referring to a bombing in Sweden in December 2010. “What you see is only the beginning, and there is more to come.”
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On July 23 2011 04:06 Detwiler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:03 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
What always surprised me in things like this is that no one tries to do anything despite being unarmed. Yes this time it was kids so I understand the whole running part but if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
I do realize this sounds logical from a "sitting behind the computer screen" perspective but still I can't help thinking about it
Oh and also on the topic about no guards on the island. If the guy was disguised as a cop wouldn't it make sense he would target the guard/guards first in a surprise attack and thus they would be completely "useless" when it comes to controlling the situation If he had an ordinary gun, maybe, but the shooter used a fully automatic weapon. You can't really stop that with your fist. Did they confirm it was an fully automatic weapon does any one know? All i heard was a rifle and a handgun
I thought it was confirmed, but I might be mistaken.
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On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
Simple question, man. Would you be a volunteer to suicide run, if there was even small chance (10% f.e.) that you will be one of the 2 or 3 fatal victims?
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Oh wow. Glad to here you were ok. Please keep us up to date on the situation.
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On July 23 2011 04:00 Wivyx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:51 Torenhire wrote:
Can we get a summary / recap please? From start to finish?
The OP is a little outdated with info, if anyone at Norway or something could get a good recap up, I'd appreciate it. Working nights and you really miss out on the morning's happenings. >< Around 15:26 a loud bang was heard around Oslo. I heard it myself, a good 11km away. The blast was an explosion which was later confirmed to be at least one, but quite possibly two bombs. Rumours has claimed both a larger van being used and a bomb being planted wityhin the building, but I've yet to hear anything confirmed. The building houses the offices of parlament members, including prime minister Jens Stoltenberg. Stoltenberg was quickly confirmed safe. The current death count from the bombings is, as far as I know, 7. After the blast there were rumours that a car had been surrounded by police at Oslo gardermoen airport and three people arrested, but I've yet to hear anything new about that. I'm not certain at what time, but an hour, maybe two after the bombings there were reports about shooting at Utøya, where 700 members of the youth section of the norwegian labour party were at their anual summer camp. A man, dressed as a police officer had claimed to be doing a routine check. He showed up at the island, pulled out an automatic machine gun and started shooting. Reports also claim that the man lured the teenagers to come to him before he executed them. Teenagers has been spotted swimming towards shore. Police was delayed by the chaos within the capitol, and the man had almost an hour of free roaming at Utøya. As the police arrived they managed to arrest the shooter. Uncomfirmed death tolls are in the region of 30-50.
Thank you, and thanks for the TPM Livewire link. Appreciate it guys, stay safe!
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Can people stop misquoting me... I said that in THIS case it was understandable that the kids did what they did. I was talking about the situation in general and not this specific case.
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On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
What always surprised me in things like this is that no one tries to do anything despite being unarmed. Yes this time it was kids so I understand the whole running part but if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
I do realize this sounds logical from a "sitting behind the computer screen" perspective but still I can't help thinking about it
Oh and also on the topic about no guards on the island. If the guy was disguised as a cop wouldn't it make sense he would target the guard/guards first in a surprise attack and thus they would be completely "useless" when it comes to controlling the situation
I sincerely believe this should not be the focus of this thread, nor is it fair to expect that of any one person, let alone from young adults or even kids. I think you watch too many action movies: bullets fucking hurt, man!
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On July 23 2011 04:05 Tristy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:04 trucane wrote:On July 23 2011 04:03 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
What always surprised me in things like this is that no one tries to do anything despite being unarmed. Yes this time it was kids so I understand the whole running part but if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
I do realize this sounds logical from a "sitting behind the computer screen" perspective but still I can't help thinking about it
Oh and also on the topic about no guards on the island. If the guy was disguised as a cop wouldn't it make sense he would target the guard/guards first in a surprise attack and thus they would be completely "useless" when it comes to controlling the situation If he had an ordinary gun, maybe, but the shooter used a fully automatic weapon. You can't really stop that with your fist. From what I read he had a regular Glock pistol and a Rifle with a scope. I presume the rifle wasn't a fully automatic one as I'm sure they would mentioned that. Same, I am yet to have seen a single mention of automatic weapon from a norwegian source.
There were some mentions of automatic weapon on I believe it was bbc like an hour ago, but that probably came from a kid saved from the water, that might've thought the rifle was automatic weapon. Later reports indicate atleast it wasn't automatic weapon.
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On July 23 2011 04:04 trucane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:03 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
What always surprised me in things like this is that no one tries to do anything despite being unarmed. Yes this time it was kids so I understand the whole running part but if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
I do realize this sounds logical from a "sitting behind the computer screen" perspective but still I can't help thinking about it
Oh and also on the topic about no guards on the island. If the guy was disguised as a cop wouldn't it make sense he would target the guard/guards first in a surprise attack and thus they would be completely "useless" when it comes to controlling the situation If he had an ordinary gun, maybe, but the shooter used a fully automatic weapon. You can't really stop that with your fist. From what I read he had a regular Glock pistol and a Rifle with a scope. I presume the rifle wasn't a fully automatic one as I'm sure they would mentioned that.
I havent heard anything about the type of weapon except that they mentioned that it would be an automatic weapon on BBC. There are many rumours out there atm.
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On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
What always surprised me in things like this is that no one tries to do anything despite being unarmed. Yes this time it was kids so I understand the whole running part but if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
I do realize this sounds logical from a "sitting behind the computer screen" perspective but still I can't help thinking about it
Oh and also on the topic about no guards on the island. If the guy was disguised as a cop wouldn't it make sense he would target the guard/guards first in a surprise attack and thus they would be completely "useless" when it comes to controlling the situation
For that to work you'd have to be certain that everyone else had your back, and each and every person willing to risk their own life for the good of the many. However, we always pick the option of highest probability of personal survival; running the fuck away as fast as you can.
We're not heroes by nature.
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On July 23 2011 04:02 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:01 enemy2010 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:50 Bigpet wrote:On July 23 2011 03:47 steamrice wrote:omg... 20-30 bodies found on rocks / floating off the short of utoya... + Show Spoiler + stop posting that unspoilered or better yet at all German media says that actually some of these kids from the island tried to swim to land. Maybe its just these kids swimming.... People said earlier that this was filmed and weren't images, the bodies weren't moving.
TV2 showed some footage earlier(less than 30min ago) of those kids in the water and you could clearly see that they were moving. I'm puzzled as to why nobody has picked them up yet tho.
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Wow, I hope you'll all be safe from now.
I thought Norway was one of the safest countries in the world?
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On July 23 2011 04:07 Robinsa wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 04:04 trucane wrote:On July 23 2011 04:03 Wivyx wrote:On July 23 2011 04:02 trucane wrote:
What always surprised me in things like this is that no one tries to do anything despite being unarmed. Yes this time it was kids so I understand the whole running part but if everyone would have bum rushed the gunman instead of trying to run and hide maybe 2-3 would have died and a half dozen would have gotten injured after all one guy with a semi automatic can only do so much damage before he has to reload or get overrun.
I do realize this sounds logical from a "sitting behind the computer screen" perspective but still I can't help thinking about it
Oh and also on the topic about no guards on the island. If the guy was disguised as a cop wouldn't it make sense he would target the guard/guards first in a surprise attack and thus they would be completely "useless" when it comes to controlling the situation If he had an ordinary gun, maybe, but the shooter used a fully automatic weapon. You can't really stop that with your fist. From what I read he had a regular Glock pistol and a Rifle with a scope. I presume the rifle wasn't a fully automatic one as I'm sure they would mentioned that. I havent heard anything about the type of weapon except that they mentioned that it would be an automatic weapon on BBC. There are many rumours out there atm.
Norwegian newspapers quoting the guard that let the fake policeofficer onto the island says it was a handgun and a rifle with a scope.
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