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On July 23 2011 03:42 SpearWrit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:38 Ighox wrote:On July 23 2011 03:33 SpearWrit wrote:On July 23 2011 03:30 DoXa wrote:
if the goal was to kill the PM, or politicians in general, why would you slaughter teenagers instead if the PM isn't there? this doesn't look like a hired assasin or something, this is more the profile of a maniac Maybe the terrorist attack was coordinated with a political group who sent the gunman during the confusion and panic that the bomb created. Could be two forces at work here working together? The shooter had a police uniform, police identification, kevlar, handgun and a rifle. That's not a crazy guy just suddenly deciding to go on a killing spree, it's pretty clear that it was planned and the timing is too close for it to be unrelated to the bomb. So in other words...you agree with me?
Agree with you, disagree with DoXa, yes, just couldn't be bothered to find his post to quote it so was easier to just take yours.
On July 23 2011 03:42 Wivyx wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:41 DwD wrote:
Where the fuck are the police? I read about the fake police like hours ago how is this shit still happening?! It isn't. The man was arrested quite some time ago. The police was obviously delayed due to the bombings in central Oslo.
They also had to take a boat out to the island, not like they could teleport there instantly.
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On July 23 2011 03:42 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:37 vyyye wrote:On July 23 2011 03:36 travis wrote:On July 23 2011 03:34 vyyye wrote:On July 23 2011 03:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 23 2011 03:24 sarge89 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:22 Detwiler wrote:On July 23 2011 03:17 Typhus wrote:
Eyewitness reports 20+ fatalities at the youth camp shooting. not confirmed by aothorities With one guy? with a rifle and a hand gun? That would be impressive. Knee jerk reaction is this isnt true but its also not impossible. But if it is true its not just a crazy with a gun. Contary to popular belief its not a simple thing as point shoot and kill. If a person get kill shots on 20 moving targets hes been trained and trained well. According to witnesses, the gunman executed many of the victims and got people to come towards him.. Besides, it doesn't take much training to kill 20 people using an assault rifle with optics. 20 shots on a crowd of people really isn't hard. It doesn't take a "well trained" Special Operations operator or something. Look at the VA Tech shooting. That guy killed around 30 people with handguns - no assault rifle. All it takes is plenty of ammunition and about a week at a shooting range to learn how to efficiently shoot targets from 50-100m out. Anyway, I'm not reading 20+ kills. So far there are 7 confirmed deaths. Killing another human being and shooting at a practice range aren't the same thing at fucking all. I can cut a piece of meat but I sure as hell can't slit a throat. Every army has special training to make soldiers be able to shoot at targets without hesitating, as they found out a fucking majority couldn't shoot at the nazis in WWII. It doesn't take a week at the shooting range to murder 30 people, who the fuck do you think you're kidding? umm, clearly whoever did it doesn't have normal mental balance why are you arguing about stupid shit Because it's fucking ignorant. "Np people, killing 30 people isn't hard just take a week at the shooting range". What are you talking about? The only point I intended to make is that: IT DOES NOT TAKE AN EXPERT OR EVEN SOMEBODY WITH "LOTS OF TRAINING" TO KILL THIS MANY PEOPLE - IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A VERY EASY AND REAL THREAT - AS WE SEE NOW. ALL IT TAKES IS A FANATIC OR A LUNATIC WITH A WEAPON AND ABOUT A WEEK'S WORTH OF TRAINING. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT.
Great point, it's however extremely rare for one person to kill this many in any shoot out. But I'm sure your extensive experience at the shooting range can attest to how hard or easy it is to shoot 30 moving targets.
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On July 23 2011 03:43 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:42 SpearWrit wrote:On July 23 2011 03:38 Ighox wrote:On July 23 2011 03:33 SpearWrit wrote:On July 23 2011 03:30 DoXa wrote:
if the goal was to kill the PM, or politicians in general, why would you slaughter teenagers instead if the PM isn't there? this doesn't look like a hired assasin or something, this is more the profile of a maniac Maybe the terrorist attack was coordinated with a political group who sent the gunman during the confusion and panic that the bomb created. Could be two forces at work here working together? The shooter had a police uniform, police identification, kevlar, handgun and a rifle. That's not a crazy guy just suddenly deciding to go on a killing spree, it's pretty clear that it was planned and the timing is too close for it to be unrelated to the bomb. So in other words...you agree with me? Just because he quoted you doesn't mean he disagrees with you.... This is just wrong. Have they found the gunman? Haven't been able to tell from the last couple pages.
Sorry! Sorry! Just wanted to clarify with him...!
And yes he's been caught and detained for some time now.
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Oh man... such a thing happening in one of the nicest countries around really pisses me off. :/
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On July 23 2011 03:29 sl0v wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:27 arChieSC2 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:19 sl0v wrote:On July 23 2011 03:15 arChieSC2 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:10 sl0v wrote:
Police radio @ "Utøya": Bombs found, explosive experts from the military being flown out. Hm seems like something is strange here, if u are willing to bomb Utøya why would you join there with a semi automatic gun and try to kill everyone there? i mean thats why u plant bombs to do the job for you, then why would you go there to do the job with a gun? nosense for me... so kinda weird u_U The norwegian prime minister was supposed to do a speech there tomorrow ..so I'm guessing something must've gone awry. Just my 5 cent conspiration theory, but the police has stated that they've seen a clear connection between the bombings and the shootings @ utøya. well if u wanna make it real just attemp killing the president but then fail due to some1 going to kill everyone 1 day before, i seriusly see something strange on that lol ^^ Well, the bomb killed people in a government building, where our PM has his office. He just wasn't there today.
My point is, if u are willing to kill the PM with a bomb and you have 2 places for doing it why after failing (or even at the same time the first bomb explodes) you go on the 2nd bomb placement and start killing ppl with an automatic gun? it just makes no sense for me, and i dont think 1 single person is doing this cuz he was mad at the PM so... suppossing this was organised makes no sense to then go shot ppl at the 2nd bomb placement unless that is what you exactly wanted to happen and even that neither makes so much sense xD
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On July 23 2011 03:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:34 vyyye wrote:On July 23 2011 03:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 23 2011 03:24 sarge89 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:22 Detwiler wrote:On July 23 2011 03:17 Typhus wrote:
Eyewitness reports 20+ fatalities at the youth camp shooting. not confirmed by aothorities With one guy? with a rifle and a hand gun? That would be impressive. Knee jerk reaction is this isnt true but its also not impossible. But if it is true its not just a crazy with a gun. Contary to popular belief its not a simple thing as point shoot and kill. If a person get kill shots on 20 moving targets hes been trained and trained well. According to witnesses, the gunman executed many of the victims and got people to come towards him.. Besides, it doesn't take much training to kill 20 people using an assault rifle with optics. 20 shots on a crowd of people really isn't hard. It doesn't take a "well trained" Special Operations operator or something. Look at the VA Tech shooting. That guy killed around 30 people with handguns - no assault rifle. All it takes is plenty of ammunition and about a week at a shooting range to learn how to efficiently shoot targets from 50-100m out. Anyway, I'm not reading 20+ kills. So far there are 7 confirmed deaths. Killing another human being and shooting at a practice range aren't the same thing at fucking all. I can cut a piece of meat but I sure as hell can't slit a throat. Every army has special training to make soldiers be able to shoot at targets without hesitating, as they found out a fucking majority couldn't shoot at the nazis in WWII. It doesn't take a week at the shooting range to murder 30 people, who the fuck do you think you're kidding? I think you are really exaggerating the difficulty of this... We are talking about young individuals at close range who are trapped on a small island, with several minutes to shoot. It's absolutely disgusting...
Im not exaggerating anything. The differance is you think i know. I have 7 years in and 4 combat deployments and im telling you flat out that getting a killshot isnt as easy as point and shoot. Now if the reports were 7 dead 20 wounded it would be believable. But the reports they are talking about say 20+ dead. Now in my 1st post on it i said i doubt he actually killed that many BUT if its true the guy had to have had training.
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"Update: Abu Sulayman has now issued a retraction, stating clearly that “Helpers” was not involved in the operation and that his statement was not an official statement. He says those who carried out the attacks “must surely be known to all.”"
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On July 23 2011 03:44 Whalecore wrote:
Fucking weapons, man. The Utøya situation makes me sick and angry. All it takes is one fucking dickhead with an assault rifle who can destroy so many innocent lives.. I feel like the world was a better place when we all fought each other with sticks, at least shit like this wouldn't happen.
Yes, precisely my point. It really does only take an utter lunatic (of which we have plenty) with one or two weapons to inflict this much damage. It does not take a trained professional. Hell, all it takes is one radicalized fanatic with a week or two of training and along with quite a bit of indoctrination, and BAM, you've got a recipe for 30 dead. The ease of this type of attack is very disturbing.
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On July 23 2011 03:44 Ighox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:42 SpearWrit wrote:On July 23 2011 03:38 Ighox wrote:On July 23 2011 03:33 SpearWrit wrote:On July 23 2011 03:30 DoXa wrote:
if the goal was to kill the PM, or politicians in general, why would you slaughter teenagers instead if the PM isn't there? this doesn't look like a hired assasin or something, this is more the profile of a maniac Maybe the terrorist attack was coordinated with a political group who sent the gunman during the confusion and panic that the bomb created. Could be two forces at work here working together? The shooter had a police uniform, police identification, kevlar, handgun and a rifle. That's not a crazy guy just suddenly deciding to go on a killing spree, it's pretty clear that it was planned and the timing is too close for it to be unrelated to the bomb. So in other words...you agree with me? Agree with you, disagree with DoXa, yes, just couldn't be bothered to find his post to quote it so was easier to just take yours.
Cool. My heart goes out to you and your nation, my friend. And not just because you agree with me 
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On July 23 2011 03:45 ImFromPortugal wrote:
"Update: Abu Sulayman has now issued a retraction, stating clearly that “Helpers” was not involved in the operation and that his statement was not an official statement. He says those who carried out the attacks “must surely be known to all.”"
Typical, just various islamist terrorist groups going.
YEAH WE DID IT, BET THERES MROE BOMBS TROLOLOL.
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omg...
20-30 bodies found on rocks / floating off the short of utoya...
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dam dude hope you and everybody else is alright :/
edit On July 23 2011 03:47 steamrice wrote:omg... 20-30 bodies found on rocks / floating off the short of utoya... + Show Spoiler +
woah wtf
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Oh my god....this is terrible...
What is the story of the shooting? How long ago did it occur? Also, has it ended yet, and has the gunman been apprehended?
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the police appearantly know the identity of the shooter by now, so we'll hopefully get details tonight or early tomorrow morning
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I hope that death count is wrong, this is horrible. 
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On July 23 2011 03:45 Detwiler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:On July 23 2011 03:34 vyyye wrote:On July 23 2011 03:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 23 2011 03:24 sarge89 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:22 Detwiler wrote:On July 23 2011 03:17 Typhus wrote:
Eyewitness reports 20+ fatalities at the youth camp shooting. not confirmed by aothorities With one guy? with a rifle and a hand gun? That would be impressive. Knee jerk reaction is this isnt true but its also not impossible. But if it is true its not just a crazy with a gun. Contary to popular belief its not a simple thing as point shoot and kill. If a person get kill shots on 20 moving targets hes been trained and trained well. According to witnesses, the gunman executed many of the victims and got people to come towards him.. Besides, it doesn't take much training to kill 20 people using an assault rifle with optics. 20 shots on a crowd of people really isn't hard. It doesn't take a "well trained" Special Operations operator or something. Look at the VA Tech shooting. That guy killed around 30 people with handguns - no assault rifle. All it takes is plenty of ammunition and about a week at a shooting range to learn how to efficiently shoot targets from 50-100m out. Anyway, I'm not reading 20+ kills. So far there are 7 confirmed deaths. Killing another human being and shooting at a practice range aren't the same thing at fucking all. I can cut a piece of meat but I sure as hell can't slit a throat. Every army has special training to make soldiers be able to shoot at targets without hesitating, as they found out a fucking majority couldn't shoot at the nazis in WWII. It doesn't take a week at the shooting range to murder 30 people, who the fuck do you think you're kidding? I think you are really exaggerating the difficulty of this... We are talking about young individuals at close range who are trapped on a small island, with several minutes to shoot. It's absolutely disgusting... Im not exaggerating anything. The differance is you think i know. I have 7 years in and 4 combat deployments and im telling you flat out that getting a killshot isnt as easy as point and shoot. Now if the reports were 7 dead 20 wounded it would be believable. But the reports they are talking about say 20+ dead. Now in my 1st post on it i said i doubt he actually killed that many BUT if its true the guy had to have had training.
In combat you aren't shooting at pigs in a pen - to borrow another's analogy. In fact, assuming you were in Afghanistan, you probably never saw your targets. This is a much, much different scenario. This is a lunatic with a weapon firing on undefended people at close range. That is not a technically difficult task. It's twisted as hell, but it's very possible and thus should be taken very seriously - and by that I mean we need to think long and hard about how to prevent this, because it IS such a possible and 'easy' threat we face.
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On July 23 2011 03:45 arChieSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:29 sl0v wrote:On July 23 2011 03:27 arChieSC2 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:19 sl0v wrote:On July 23 2011 03:15 arChieSC2 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:10 sl0v wrote:
Police radio @ "Utøya": Bombs found, explosive experts from the military being flown out. Hm seems like something is strange here, if u are willing to bomb Utøya why would you join there with a semi automatic gun and try to kill everyone there? i mean thats why u plant bombs to do the job for you, then why would you go there to do the job with a gun? nosense for me... so kinda weird u_U The norwegian prime minister was supposed to do a speech there tomorrow ..so I'm guessing something must've gone awry. Just my 5 cent conspiration theory, but the police has stated that they've seen a clear connection between the bombings and the shootings @ utøya. well if u wanna make it real just attemp killing the president but then fail due to some1 going to kill everyone 1 day before, i seriusly see something strange on that lol ^^ Well, the bomb killed people in a government building, where our PM has his office. He just wasn't there today. My point is, if u are willing to kill the PM with a bomb and you have 2 places for doing it why after failing (or even at the same time the first bomb explodes) you go on the 2nd bomb placement and start killing ppl with an automatic gun? it just makes no sense for me, and i dont think 1 single person is doing this cuz he was mad at the PM so... suppossing this was organised makes no sense to then go shot ppl at the 2nd bomb placement unless that is what you exactly wanted to happen and even that neither makes so much sense xD
You should get a grasp of what really is happening. There were two bombs in Oslo. The disguised man was at Utøya, the island is located outside of Oslo city. Therefore they did not kill anyone with a machine gun where the bombs went off. And it makes perfectly sense why he/they were after the people at the island, because they are members of the AUF which is the PMs political party's youth organisation.
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You should REALLY spoiler those pictures
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On July 23 2011 03:47 steamrice wrote:omg... 20-30 bodies found on rocks / floating off the short of utoya... + Show Spoiler +
stop posting that unspoilered or better yet at all
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