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On July 23 2011 03:36 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:34 vyyye wrote:On July 23 2011 03:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 23 2011 03:24 sarge89 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:22 Detwiler wrote:On July 23 2011 03:17 Typhus wrote:
Eyewitness reports 20+ fatalities at the youth camp shooting. not confirmed by aothorities With one guy? with a rifle and a hand gun? That would be impressive. Knee jerk reaction is this isnt true but its also not impossible. But if it is true its not just a crazy with a gun. Contary to popular belief its not a simple thing as point shoot and kill. If a person get kill shots on 20 moving targets hes been trained and trained well. According to witnesses, the gunman executed many of the victims and got people to come towards him.. Besides, it doesn't take much training to kill 20 people using an assault rifle with optics. 20 shots on a crowd of people really isn't hard. It doesn't take a "well trained" Special Operations operator or something. Look at the VA Tech shooting. That guy killed around 30 people with handguns - no assault rifle. All it takes is plenty of ammunition and about a week at a shooting range to learn how to efficiently shoot targets from 50-100m out. Anyway, I'm not reading 20+ kills. So far there are 7 confirmed deaths. Killing another human being and shooting at a practice range aren't the same thing at fucking all. I can cut a piece of meat but I sure as hell can't slit a throat. Every army has special training to make soldiers be able to shoot at targets without hesitating, as they found out a fucking majority couldn't shoot at the nazis in WWII. It doesn't take a week at the shooting range to murder 30 people, who the fuck do you think you're kidding? umm, clearly whoever did it doesn't have normal mental balance why are you arguing about stupid shit
Because it's fucking ignorant. "Np people, killing 30 people isn't hard just take a week at the shooting range".
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On July 23 2011 03:32 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:28 Neeh wrote:On July 23 2011 03:26 SpiffD wrote:On July 23 2011 03:25 carloselcoco wrote:On July 23 2011 03:23 Blix wrote:On July 23 2011 03:22 Detwiler wrote:On July 23 2011 03:17 Typhus wrote:
Eyewitness reports 20+ fatalities at the youth camp shooting. not confirmed by aothorities With one guy? with a rifle and a hand gun? That would be impressive. Knee jerk reaction is this isnt true but its also not impossible. But if it is true its not just a crazy with a gun. Contary to popular belief its not a simple thing as point shoot and kill. If a person get kill shots on 20 moving targets hes been trained and trained well. It was mentioned before, he was dressed as a policeman, calling the kids to him - sickening but effective :-( Hope they torture the shit out of that guy to make him speak if he remains silent.... We don't torture people in Scandinavia. We have standards. Sorry to disappoint you... 21 years is the maximum sentence in norway, and our prisons ain't exactly harsh either... not correct we have something called "21 år med forvarring" which basically means he will never see the light of day.
This, like the childkillings in Baneheia these individuals would never ever get out of what is basiclly isoalation the rest of their lives.
May have been a right extremists action based in Poland.
According to this article
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10080589
It says that there was a youtube video were it in polish warned the explosion and it was changed after the attack to Hamster in the title.
The shooter was Aryan so it may have been right extremists.
I do not believe it was Islamic fundumentalists. They are just hogging the glory
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On July 23 2011 03:34 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 23 2011 03:24 sarge89 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:22 Detwiler wrote:On July 23 2011 03:17 Typhus wrote:
Eyewitness reports 20+ fatalities at the youth camp shooting. not confirmed by aothorities With one guy? with a rifle and a hand gun? That would be impressive. Knee jerk reaction is this isnt true but its also not impossible. But if it is true its not just a crazy with a gun. Contary to popular belief its not a simple thing as point shoot and kill. If a person get kill shots on 20 moving targets hes been trained and trained well. According to witnesses, the gunman executed many of the victims and got people to come towards him.. Besides, it doesn't take much training to kill 20 people using an assault rifle with optics. 20 shots on a crowd of people really isn't hard. It doesn't take a "well trained" Special Operations operator or something. Look at the VA Tech shooting. That guy killed around 30 people with handguns - no assault rifle. All it takes is plenty of ammunition and about a week at a shooting range to learn how to efficiently shoot targets from 50-100m out. Anyway, I'm not reading 20+ kills. So far there are 7 confirmed deaths. Killing another human being and shooting at a practice range aren't the same thing at fucking all. I can cut a piece of meat but I sure as hell can't slit a throat. Every army has special training to make soldiers be able to shoot at targets without hesitating, as they found out a fucking majority couldn't shoot at the nazis in WWII. It doesn't take a week at the shooting range to murder 30 people, who the fuck do you think you're kidding?
I think you are really exaggerating the difficulty of this... We are talking about young individuals at close range who are trapped on a small island, with several minutes to shoot.
It's absolutely disgusting...
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On July 23 2011 03:33 SpearWrit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:30 DoXa wrote:
if the goal was to kill the PM, or politicians in general, why would you slaughter teenagers instead if the PM isn't there? this doesn't look like a hired assasin or something, this is more the profile of a maniac Maybe the terrorist attack was coordinated with a political group who sent the gunman during the confusion and panic that the bomb created. Could be two forces at work here working together?
The shooter had a police uniform, police identification, kevlar, handgun and a rifle.
That's not a crazy guy just suddenly deciding to go on a killing spree, it's pretty clear that it was planned and the timing is too close for it to be unrelated to the bomb.
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This is clearly a political attack. Attacking the government with PM Jens Stoltenberg as their target and using it as a diverson to attack the labour party's youth event. For the people who asks themself why they didn't attack tomorrow since the PM was suppose to attend to the Labour Party's youth event is very simple; most likely they would not be able to harm as many people as they did today due to the security around the PM. With today's attack they could have killed the PM, several other politicans in the buildning and the youth at Utøya.
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On July 23 2011 03:38 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:34 vyyye wrote:On July 23 2011 03:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 23 2011 03:24 sarge89 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:22 Detwiler wrote:On July 23 2011 03:17 Typhus wrote:
Eyewitness reports 20+ fatalities at the youth camp shooting. not confirmed by aothorities With one guy? with a rifle and a hand gun? That would be impressive. Knee jerk reaction is this isnt true but its also not impossible. But if it is true its not just a crazy with a gun. Contary to popular belief its not a simple thing as point shoot and kill. If a person get kill shots on 20 moving targets hes been trained and trained well. According to witnesses, the gunman executed many of the victims and got people to come towards him.. Besides, it doesn't take much training to kill 20 people using an assault rifle with optics. 20 shots on a crowd of people really isn't hard. It doesn't take a "well trained" Special Operations operator or something. Look at the VA Tech shooting. That guy killed around 30 people with handguns - no assault rifle. All it takes is plenty of ammunition and about a week at a shooting range to learn how to efficiently shoot targets from 50-100m out. Anyway, I'm not reading 20+ kills. So far there are 7 confirmed deaths. Killing another human being and shooting at a practice range aren't the same thing at fucking all. I can cut a piece of meat but I sure as hell can't slit a throat. Every army has special training to make soldiers be able to shoot at targets without hesitating, as they found out a fucking majority couldn't shoot at the nazis in WWII. It doesn't take a week at the shooting range to murder 30 people, who the fuck do you think you're kidding? I think you are really exaggerating the difficulty of this... We are talking about young individuals at close range who are trapped on a small island, with several minutes to shoot. It's absolutely disgusting...
Actually more like an hour+, which is just so disgusting. People heard those gunshots to shore...
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On July 23 2011 03:37 Detwiler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 23 2011 03:24 sarge89 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:22 Detwiler wrote:On July 23 2011 03:17 Typhus wrote:
Eyewitness reports 20+ fatalities at the youth camp shooting. not confirmed by aothorities With one guy? with a rifle and a hand gun? That would be impressive. Knee jerk reaction is this isnt true but its also not impossible. But if it is true its not just a crazy with a gun. Contary to popular belief its not a simple thing as point shoot and kill. If a person get kill shots on 20 moving targets hes been trained and trained well. According to witnesses, the gunman executed many of the victims and got people to come towards him.. Besides, it doesn't take much training to kill 20 people using an assault rifle with optics. 20 shots on a crowd of people really isn't hard. It doesn't take a "well trained" Special Operations operator or something. Look at the VA Tech shooting. That guy killed around 30 people with handguns - no assault rifle. All it takes is plenty of ammunition and about a week at a shooting range to learn how to efficiently shoot targets from 50-100m out. Anyway, I'm not reading 20+ kills. So far there are 7 confirmed deaths. an assault rifle with optics isnt as easy to use as u think. VA tech shooter hand them in small classroom not out in the open totally different situation. not sayin hes spec ops though dude dont get me wrong. Im just sayin its not sum guy tht picked up a gun one day and decided to shoot some people.
No it actually is quite easy, technically speaking. I've fired plenty of weapons for quite a long time. On the other hand, I'd never be able to translate my ability to killing. It takes a real fanatic to do that - or a mentally unstable person.
The only point I made is that an assault rifle with optics - or even simply without optics - is a very easy tool to use. There is no argument here. It's a plain fact.
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Where the fuck are the police? I read about the fake police like hours ago how is this shit still happening?!
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http://yfrog.com/z/kj1nzimj picture from Utøya taken from the Norwegian News Network NRK screencap so bad qual
edit: to those of you considering wether or not kill all these people would be possible I would like to state what people has said before me: there is shooting, and panic, you don't know whats going on and you see a police officer. What would you do?
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On July 23 2011 03:38 Ighox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:33 SpearWrit wrote:On July 23 2011 03:30 DoXa wrote:
if the goal was to kill the PM, or politicians in general, why would you slaughter teenagers instead if the PM isn't there? this doesn't look like a hired assasin or something, this is more the profile of a maniac Maybe the terrorist attack was coordinated with a political group who sent the gunman during the confusion and panic that the bomb created. Could be two forces at work here working together? The shooter had a police uniform, police identification, kevlar, handgun and a rifle. That's not a crazy guy just suddenly deciding to go on a killing spree, it's pretty clear that it was planned and the timing is too close for it to be unrelated to the bomb.
He was sent under the pretence of a rutine procedure because of the terror attack.
This was planned and has been for a long time.
Horrible..
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On July 23 2011 03:38 Ighox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:33 SpearWrit wrote:On July 23 2011 03:30 DoXa wrote:
if the goal was to kill the PM, or politicians in general, why would you slaughter teenagers instead if the PM isn't there? this doesn't look like a hired assasin or something, this is more the profile of a maniac Maybe the terrorist attack was coordinated with a political group who sent the gunman during the confusion and panic that the bomb created. Could be two forces at work here working together? The shooter had a police uniform, police identification, kevlar, handgun and a rifle. That's not a crazy guy just suddenly deciding to go on a killing spree, it's pretty clear that it was planned and the timing is too close for it to be unrelated to the bomb.
So in other words...you agree with me?
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On July 23 2011 03:37 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:36 travis wrote:On July 23 2011 03:34 vyyye wrote:On July 23 2011 03:32 FallDownMarigold wrote:On July 23 2011 03:24 sarge89 wrote:On July 23 2011 03:22 Detwiler wrote:On July 23 2011 03:17 Typhus wrote:
Eyewitness reports 20+ fatalities at the youth camp shooting. not confirmed by aothorities With one guy? with a rifle and a hand gun? That would be impressive. Knee jerk reaction is this isnt true but its also not impossible. But if it is true its not just a crazy with a gun. Contary to popular belief its not a simple thing as point shoot and kill. If a person get kill shots on 20 moving targets hes been trained and trained well. According to witnesses, the gunman executed many of the victims and got people to come towards him.. Besides, it doesn't take much training to kill 20 people using an assault rifle with optics. 20 shots on a crowd of people really isn't hard. It doesn't take a "well trained" Special Operations operator or something. Look at the VA Tech shooting. That guy killed around 30 people with handguns - no assault rifle. All it takes is plenty of ammunition and about a week at a shooting range to learn how to efficiently shoot targets from 50-100m out. Anyway, I'm not reading 20+ kills. So far there are 7 confirmed deaths. Killing another human being and shooting at a practice range aren't the same thing at fucking all. I can cut a piece of meat but I sure as hell can't slit a throat. Every army has special training to make soldiers be able to shoot at targets without hesitating, as they found out a fucking majority couldn't shoot at the nazis in WWII. It doesn't take a week at the shooting range to murder 30 people, who the fuck do you think you're kidding? umm, clearly whoever did it doesn't have normal mental balance why are you arguing about stupid shit Because it's fucking ignorant. "Np people, killing 30 people isn't hard just take a week at the shooting range".
What are you talking about? The only point I intended to make is that:
IT DOES NOT TAKE AN EXPERT OR EVEN SOMEBODY WITH "LOTS OF TRAINING" TO KILL THIS MANY PEOPLE - IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS A VERY EASY AND REAL THREAT - AS WE SEE NOW. ALL IT TAKES IS A FANATIC OR A LUNATIC WITH A WEAPON AND ABOUT A WEEK'S WORTH OF TRAINING. PULL YOUR HEAD OUT.
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On July 23 2011 03:41 DwD wrote:
Where the fuck are the police? I read about the fake police like hours ago how is this shit still happening?!
It isn't. The man was arrested quite some time ago. The police was obviously delayed due to the bombings in central Oslo.
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^ Oh... now that you write it in all caps i understand...
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On July 23 2011 03:42 SpearWrit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:38 Ighox wrote:On July 23 2011 03:33 SpearWrit wrote:On July 23 2011 03:30 DoXa wrote:
if the goal was to kill the PM, or politicians in general, why would you slaughter teenagers instead if the PM isn't there? this doesn't look like a hired assasin or something, this is more the profile of a maniac Maybe the terrorist attack was coordinated with a political group who sent the gunman during the confusion and panic that the bomb created. Could be two forces at work here working together? The shooter had a police uniform, police identification, kevlar, handgun and a rifle. That's not a crazy guy just suddenly deciding to go on a killing spree, it's pretty clear that it was planned and the timing is too close for it to be unrelated to the bomb. So in other words...you agree with me?
Just because he quoted you doesn't mean he disagrees with you....
This is just wrong. Have they found the gunman? Haven't been able to tell from the last couple pages.
edit: as I post this, two posts above says he was arrested.
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it's on the news here (in canada) and they're saying they've captured the shooter.
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Imagine, first a policeman (as far as they knew) started shooting at the kids. Then, more policemen show up. The fear these children have felt, and the pain, the panic....how can someone ever recuperate from that, mentally 
I couldn't finish my dinner, I just feel so helpless. I wish I could go there and hold them, save them.
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Fucking weapons, man. The Utøya situation makes me sick and angry. All it takes is one fucking dickhead with an assault rifle who can destroy so many innocent lives.. I feel like the world was a better place when we all fought each other with sticks, at least shit like this wouldn't happen.
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