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On July 23 2011 02:56 No_eL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 02:47 Smapz wrote:
Things surely needs a change, certain people probably shouldn't be allowed in this country anymore. Horrible comment.. racist mental structure leads to violent acts like this one. I hope no more bombs or attacks happened in norway, so much pain to all the scared people right now. I think that no country deserved it specially our nordic friends =( ps: im waiting for the OK list of norway tl.net members.
Unfortunately, comments like this are indicative of the ruling mindset in Norway at the moment. Just reading the debates at the norwegian news sites makes me sick to my heart. So much blind hate
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This is starting to sound like some radical national terrorist group o.O... Truly unexpected if that turns out to be the case in a country like Norway.
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PEOPLE! KEEP THIS A LIVE REPORT THREAD, AND LEAVE YOUR BIAS/POLITICAL OPINIONS/RELIGIOUS DEBATES AT THE DOOR. Seriously, can we just NOT start that entire shitstorm, and focus on delivering the news more quickly than any single news outlet? I'm actually only using this forum atm, since it's updated faster than any tv station's news channel.
Thank you.
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On July 23 2011 03:06 Dr_Jones wrote:
PEOPLE! KEEP THIS A LIVE REPORT THREAD, AND LEAVE YOUR BIAS/POLITICAL OPINIONS/RELIGIOUS DEBATES AT THE DOOR. Seriously, can we just NOT start that entire shitstorm, and focus on delivering the news more quickly than any single news outlet? I'm actually only using this forum atm, since it's updated faster than any tv station's news channel.
Thank you.
If you're actually following the thread that closely, then you're going to get all the news updates as soon as they come anyways. There's no reason there can't be discussion and news in the same thread...
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On July 23 2011 03:03 Detwiler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 02:59 travis wrote:On July 23 2011 02:57 Otori wrote:On July 23 2011 02:52 DoXa wrote:On July 23 2011 02:48 Otori wrote:On July 23 2011 02:44 Sqq wrote:
To all of you who doesn't understand why the cops doesn't carry a gun at all times. Our culture has no need for it. We have close to zero homocides in open streets, and close to zero all over. This is just so far from anything we as a nation are used too. Quoted for truth, police officers in norway are nowhere near prepared or used to this kind of shit because it just never happens in countries like norway, denmark, sweden Terrorism is nothing for the normal police, doesn't matter if it is norway, germany or the US. For this stuff there are anti-terror police troops. and they are very well prepared for such things. And how much "real" terrorism do you think these special officers have experienced? About none, so no, these special police officers in northen europe are not prepared for real terrorism. What does that even mean? It means they have no real world xp in dealing with these things. Which is about like saying ive read every book on being a race car driver so im an expert. Cept they have never got in the car and drove it. Which may or may not be true i have no idea what the op tempo of norwegains are i doubt its high but you never know.
thats bullshit.
You can't compare these two things. They don't just read books or go through it theoretically. They are training every day, exchange with other police forces who had expirience with terrorism and many members of such troops may have served in the military which was stationed in Afghanistan for years
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On July 23 2011 03:03 Detwiler wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 02:59 travis wrote:On July 23 2011 02:57 Otori wrote:On July 23 2011 02:52 DoXa wrote:On July 23 2011 02:48 Otori wrote:On July 23 2011 02:44 Sqq wrote:
To all of you who doesn't understand why the cops doesn't carry a gun at all times. Our culture has no need for it. We have close to zero homocides in open streets, and close to zero all over. This is just so far from anything we as a nation are used too. Quoted for truth, police officers in norway are nowhere near prepared or used to this kind of shit because it just never happens in countries like norway, denmark, sweden Terrorism is nothing for the normal police, doesn't matter if it is norway, germany or the US. For this stuff there are anti-terror police troops. and they are very well prepared for such things. And how much "real" terrorism do you think these special officers have experienced? About none, so no, these special police officers in northen europe are not prepared for real terrorism. What does that even mean? It means they have no real world xp in dealing with these things. Which is about like saying ive read every book on being a race car driver so im an expert. Cept they have never got in the car and drove it. Which may or may not be true i have no idea what the op tempo of norwegains are i doubt its high but you never know.
No body actually has done this before, they never experienced this before, even the terrorists themselves. The best they could have prepared with is probably counter-terrorism training and procedures, but no not the real thing. I'm sure the swat team has trained to deal with terrorist though
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On July 23 2011 03:07 Gatsbi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:06 Dr_Jones wrote:
PEOPLE! KEEP THIS A LIVE REPORT THREAD, AND LEAVE YOUR BIAS/POLITICAL OPINIONS/RELIGIOUS DEBATES AT THE DOOR. Seriously, can we just NOT start that entire shitstorm, and focus on delivering the news more quickly than any single news outlet? I'm actually only using this forum atm, since it's updated faster than any tv station's news channel.
Thank you. If you're actually following the thread that closely, then you're going to get all the news updates as soon as they come anyways. There's no reason there can't be discussion and news in the same thread...
If you take a look at previous threads in TL, that discussion is going to get ugly and at some point Admins will step in.
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So the PM was supposed to visit the youth camp the next day and was in the area when the bomb went off? Someone has to be investigating assassination attempt?
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Prime minister is on television now.
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On July 23 2011 03:01 Nightshake wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 02:57 Qzy wrote:On July 23 2011 02:55 Nizaris wrote:On July 23 2011 02:51 CoR wrote: i dont like terror in europe, we must attack the terror waaaay harder make bigger attacks against every kind of terror danger How do you attack terror? Our current methods only seem to increase it not reduce it. Ban religion. Job done. Religion is not the problem. It is the guys who are using it for terror and make think people like you that religion is really problem. Please stop saying that, I am a christian and i would never make that.
religion is undoubtly part of the (global terror) problem.
one of the few things that can be used to persuade ppl to blow themselves up
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On July 23 2011 03:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So the PM was supposed to visit the youth camp the next day and was in the area when the bomb went off? Someone has to be investigating assassination attempt?
Yeah, it seems obvious that the PM (or at least his party) was the main target, maybe even more so than the Norwegian people.
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Police radio @ "Utøya": Bombs found, explosive experts from the military being flown out.
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On July 23 2011 03:09 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:01 Nightshake wrote:On July 23 2011 02:57 Qzy wrote:On July 23 2011 02:55 Nizaris wrote:On July 23 2011 02:51 CoR wrote: i dont like terror in europe, we must attack the terror waaaay harder make bigger attacks against every kind of terror danger How do you attack terror? Our current methods only seem to increase it not reduce it. Ban religion. Job done. Religion is not the problem. It is the guys who are using it for terror and make think people like you that religion is really problem. Please stop saying that, I am a christian and i would never make that. religion is undoubtly part of the (global terror) problem. one of the few things that can be used to persuade ppl to blow themselves up
Stop it, people have been involved in terrorism where they ended up as martyrs for political agendas as well, and some for personal reasons. Unless you want to ban emotions you can't ban any one cause for terrorism.
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On July 23 2011 03:04 Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 02:59 Detwiler wrote:
The worst part about all this is you cant stop it. In the end it doesnt matter what kind of security you have if some guy loads up and descides he is gonna do this all you can do is try and reduce the casualitys. Same thing with bombers. If they decide they are doin it and dont give a shit what happens to them theres really absolutely nothing you can do. Suppose thats why its called terror. Of course you can. But the right thing to do is not shit on other people's beliefs, but to ask how they got access to the bomb ingredients? Should they be more tightly controlled? How did the guy got firearms? How was he allowed to enter the island armed? (if it's true that police officers do not normally bear arms there)
Ok access to ingredients? Easiest way would be fertilizer and gasoline IE OK city. How are you gonna control that more tightly? How did he get fire arms? Who knows but as many natives have post gun laws there are EXTREMELY tight to the point of not even cops are armed so how do you tighten them more? How did he get on the island armed? Off the top of my head a 500 dollar john boat and drove himself over. What are they gonna do have constant patrols over every island. Thats impossible. Its so easy to there are a million ways. It comes down to the cops have to be lucky all the time the criminals have to be lucky once.
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On July 23 2011 03:10 sl0v wrote:
Police radio @ "Utøya": Bombs found, explosive experts from the military being flown out.
You're listening to the police radio? Nothing on the news yet.
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On July 23 2011 02:59 Dattish wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 02:57 Qzy wrote:On July 23 2011 02:55 Nizaris wrote:On July 23 2011 02:51 CoR wrote: i dont like terror in europe, we must attack the terror waaaay harder make bigger attacks against every kind of terror danger How do you attack terror? Our current methods only seem to increase it not reduce it. Ban religion. Job done. Banning religion will set the world on fire.
getting people to tell the truth and realize you cant live trapped behind roles, ideals and morals your entire life will heal the world. religion sometimes gets in the way of this and justifies lying to yourself and other people, but it also allows some people to get real freedom in their life. people repress things because its "right" and all these emotions are taken out on food, drugs (medicine and illegal) and short-term stimulation which exhausts, but is repeated as many times as possible
its a weirdass cycle and i see it everywhere
the phrase "Freedom isnt free" means that who you think you are, everything you think you know, it all has to die and you have to be fucking almost rude honest about everything. must call shit as it is, not as you wish it was or think it should be.
its not the religion, its the "moralism" that bars people from other people and causes these emotional time bombs to go off everywhere
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On July 23 2011 02:57 Qzy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 02:55 Nizaris wrote:On July 23 2011 02:51 CoR wrote: i dont like terror in europe, we must attack the terror waaaay harder make bigger attacks against every kind of terror danger How do you attack terror? Our current methods only seem to increase it not reduce it. Ban religion. Job done. User was warned for this post
And why was I warned for that? Lots of mentions about it in politics atm. Which terror attack hasn't been connected to religion?
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On July 23 2011 03:09 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 03:01 Nightshake wrote:On July 23 2011 02:57 Qzy wrote:On July 23 2011 02:55 Nizaris wrote:On July 23 2011 02:51 CoR wrote: i dont like terror in europe, we must attack the terror waaaay harder make bigger attacks against every kind of terror danger How do you attack terror? Our current methods only seem to increase it not reduce it. Ban religion. Job done. Religion is not the problem. It is the guys who are using it for terror and make think people like you that religion is really problem. Please stop saying that, I am a christian and i would never make that. religion is undoubtly part of the (global terror) problem. one of the few things that can be used to persuade ppl to blow themselves up
As any source of ideology, like enviromentalism, marxism or else. Do you want f.e. ecology being banned?
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