|
I can't believe this still is needed but religious and gun control side discussions will be met with harsh penalties from page 52 and onwards. |
On July 23 2011 00:38 Knuppe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:31 Ingebrigtsen wrote:I dont like how the norwegian people are already blaming muslims... we are a racist bunch unfortunately  orly? Please tell me how its racism. Its obviously muslims that blow themselves up we all know this, when another bomb goes off we all know a muslim did it its a fact. Please prove me wrong if you can, which I know you cant.
It's not 'obviously muslims' that perpetrated this particular bomb. It's likely, yes, but there are many instances where bombings get wrongly attributed, despite it being 'obvious' who did it. Proof that you COULD be wrong includes:
Northern Ireland, 1969: A bomb blows up a power station in Northern Ireland. It gets attributed to the Irish Republican Army, and the fallout discredits and topples the relatively liberal unionist government of Terence O'Neill, and he's replaced with William Craig, a hardline loyalist. The perpetrators of the bombing turn out to be the Ulster Volunteer Force, loyalist extremists, who would welcome Craig in preference to O'Neill, and whose politics were diametrically opposed to the IRA.
Bologna, Italy 1982. A terrorist bomb kills hundreds of people at a Bologna train station. It's blamed on left-wing extremists, and the police and government launch a crackdown. The bombing later turns out to have been the work of far-right fascists (possibly working with the Italian intelligence services).
Oklahoma bombing, 1995. A bomb rips through a federal government building in Oklahoma City and kills a huge number of people. The press blames Muslim extremists. The culprit turns out to be right-wing American Christian militia members.
Madrid bombing, 2004. A bomb blows up a train and kills hundreds of people, shortly before the 2004 Spanish General election. The government blames ETA, Basque Seperatist guerrillas. The culprit turns out to be Al Qaeda.
As I say, it's likely that muslim radicals planted this bomb, but it's also very possible they didn't, and overzealously blaming bombings on the wrong perpetrators can often have very harmful effects.
|
I wonder who did this and why.. Hopefully there wont be many casualties. Luckily my only relative in Oslo is safe.
|
Fucking muslim terrorists , usa should nuke them all back to the stone age.
User was warned for this post
|
I'm at work 15 minutes east from the bombsite.. I have idea how I can get home now... >.<
|
On July 23 2011 00:53 Strek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:46 Dr_Jones wrote:
TV2, the largest commercial TV network in Norway, is being evacuated in downtown Oslo. When tuning in to TV2 I get "No signal" message. Anyone else? It is related?
Works fine here. Think tv2 sends from Bergen, but they got office in Oslo to.
|
On July 23 2011 00:52 MrTortoise wrote:
Good points about AQ though ... they want to scare the public ... not people in office buildings
they would attack stations ... basically any choke point with a lot of joe bloggses heading off to a normal days work.
they want to make the public feel afraid of what their government is doing and in so doing coerce a change in poilicy and generate sympathy through empathy ... attacking the government doesn't really have the same effect because to some degree they are guilty ... unlike Mr Smith the local grocer.
I don't know. Attacking the general public I feel pushes the country together, such as everyone standing behind Bush after 9/11. Attacking the government I feel(you can see examples of this in just this thread) is more likely to make the general public question their government. Especially for a country that has not been attacked by terrorism before(afaik?).
|
atleast 2 people is dead.
|
Oslo Central station evacuated
|
a friend of mine was in the area, and he took the bus from that very same street, and when he was on the bus the explosion happened.... I guess he got lucky huh
|
Oh shit, be safe and get away from the scene incase of any other hidden bombs
|
The mods seriously should start cracking down on bigotted and ignorant comments in this thread. It's painful to see how people abandon all civility when these kinds of things happen
|
Scrolled right by it on Aftonbladet.se without realizing it wasn't in the middle east...
If I believed in god, I'd pray for you. Now you'll just get a forum post, should have about the same effect on your safety 
Oh and thanks to whoever did this for fueling the fires of the racist parties in scandinavia ^^ It would almost make sense for the parties to fake terrorist attacks just to get the peoples support :/
|
On July 23 2011 00:54 pmLai wrote:
I'm at work 15 minutes east from the bombsite.. I have idea how I can get home now... >.<
Be safe man! I can understand if people are shocked as hell over there.
|
On July 23 2011 00:57 zodde wrote:Scrolled right by it on Aftonbladet.se without realizing it wasn't in the middle east... If I believed in god, I'd pray for you. Now you'll just get a forum post, should have about the same effect on your safety Oh and thanks to whoever did this for fueling the fires of the racist parties in scandinavia ^^ It would almost make sense for the parties to fake terrorist attacks just to get the peoples support :/
I feel you, Sweden Democrats will get a huge upswing by this, I feel. So sad.
|
Ah damnit. I love you Norway, hope this gets handled well.
|
On July 23 2011 00:53 Aim Here wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:38 Knuppe wrote:On July 23 2011 00:31 Ingebrigtsen wrote:I dont like how the norwegian people are already blaming muslims... we are a racist bunch unfortunately orly? Please tell me how its racism. Its obviously muslims that blow themselves up we all know this, when another bomb goes off we all know a muslim did it its a fact. Please prove me wrong if you can, which I know you cant. It's not 'obviously muslims' that perpetrated this particular bomb. It's likely, yes, but there are many instances where bombings get wrongly attributed, despite it being 'obvious' who did it. Proof that you COULD be wrong includes: Northern Ireland, 1969: A bomb blows up a power station in Northern Ireland. It gets attributed to the Irish Republican Army, and the fallout discredits and topples the relatively liberal unionist government of Terence O'Neill, and he's replaced with William Craig, a hardline loyalist. The perpetrators of the bombing turn out to be the Ulster Volunteer Force, loyalist extremists, who would welcome Craig in preference to O'Neill, and whose politics were diametrically opposed to the IRA. Bologna, Italy 1982. A terrorist bomb kills hundreds of people at a Bologna train station. It's blamed on left-wing extremists, and the police and government launch a crackdown. The bombing later turns out to have been the work of far-right fascists (possibly working with the Italian intelligence services). Oklahoma bombing, 1995. A bomb rips through a federal government building in Oklahoma City and kills a huge number of people. The press blames Muslim extremists. The culprit turns out to be right-wing American Christian militia members. Madrid bombing, 2004. A bomb blows up a train and kills hundreds of people, shortly before the 2004 Spanish General election. The government blames ETA, Basque Seperatist guerrillas. The culprit turns out to be Al Qaeda. As I say, it's likely that muslim radicals planted this bomb, but it's also very possible they didn't, and overzealously blaming bombings on the wrong perpetrators can often have very harmful effects.
It's a bad habit to use incidents as your arguments. We all know it's VERY likely that this was done by muslims, so might as well assume it for now. When something chewed on your chair you're gonna suspect your dog, not your goldfish.
edit: spelling
User was warned for this post
|
PM being interview right now on TV2
|
On July 23 2011 00:54 Trigger1101 wrote:
Fucking muslim terrorists , usa should nuke them all back to the stone age.
Easy now. We dont know who did this. It could be other groups that did this. I cant se why a middle-east terrorist group would target Norway.
|
On July 23 2011 00:58 alepov wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 00:53 Aim Here wrote:On July 23 2011 00:38 Knuppe wrote:On July 23 2011 00:31 Ingebrigtsen wrote:I dont like how the norwegian people are already blaming muslims... we are a racist bunch unfortunately orly? Please tell me how its racism. Its obviously muslims that blow themselves up we all know this, when another bomb goes off we all know a muslim did it its a fact. Please prove me wrong if you can, which I know you cant. It's not 'obviously muslims' that perpetrated this particular bomb. It's likely, yes, but there are many instances where bombings get wrongly attributed, despite it being 'obvious' who did it. Proof that you COULD be wrong includes: Northern Ireland, 1969: A bomb blows up a power station in Northern Ireland. It gets attributed to the Irish Republican Army, and the fallout discredits and topples the relatively liberal unionist government of Terence O'Neill, and he's replaced with William Craig, a hardline loyalist. The perpetrators of the bombing turn out to be the Ulster Volunteer Force, loyalist extremists, who would welcome Craig in preference to O'Neill, and whose politics were diametrically opposed to the IRA. Bologna, Italy 1982. A terrorist bomb kills hundreds of people at a Bologna train station. It's blamed on left-wing extremists, and the police and government launch a crackdown. The bombing later turns out to have been the work of far-right fascists (possibly working with the Italian intelligence services). Oklahoma bombing, 1995. A bomb rips through a federal government building in Oklahoma City and kills a huge number of people. The press blames Muslim extremists. The culprit turns out to be right-wing American Christian militia members. Madrid bombing, 2004. A bomb blows up a train and kills hundreds of people, shortly before the 2004 Spanish General election. The government blames ETA, Basque Seperatist guerrillas. The culprit turns out to be Al Qaeda. As I say, it's likely that muslim radicals planted this bomb, but it's also very possible they didn't, and overzealously blaming bombings on the wrong perpetrators can often have very harmful effects. It's a bad habit to use incidents as your arguments. We all know it's VERY likely that this was done by muslims, so might as well assume it for now. When somebody chewed on your chair you're gonna suspect your dog, not your goldfish.
We cant assume anything before any evidence is discovered
|
On July 23 2011 00:54 pmLai wrote:
I'm at work 15 minutes east from the bombsite.. I have idea how I can get home now... >.<
Make sure everyone who cares about you knows that you are safe. When the London bombings occured their targeted the tube line that I was using several times per week and a lot of my friends freaked out.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
