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I can't believe this still is needed but religious and gun control side discussions will be met with harsh penalties from page 52 and onwards.
Tristy
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway172 Posts
July 22 2011 15:59 GMT
#421
Press conference starts now
"Choose life!"
Neeh
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway458 Posts
July 22 2011 15:59 GMT
#422
Press conference beging
Tristy
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway172 Posts
July 22 2011 16:00 GMT
#423
15 hurt 2 dead
"Choose life!"
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 16:01:45
July 22 2011 16:00 GMT
#424
15 wounded - 2 dead at this point.
Bomb team are about to enter the building now..

Atleast one bomb - maybe more because several bangs were heard
Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head
MrTortoise
Profile Joined January 2011
1388 Posts
July 22 2011 16:01 GMT
#425
On July 23 2011 00:55 Zarahtra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 00:52 MrTortoise wrote:
Good points about AQ though ... they want to scare the public ... not people in office buildings

they would attack stations ... basically any choke point with a lot of joe bloggses heading off to a normal days work.

they want to make the public feel afraid of what their government is doing and in so doing coerce a change in poilicy and generate sympathy through empathy ... attacking the government doesn't really have the same effect because to some degree they are guilty ... unlike Mr Smith the local grocer.

I don't know. Attacking the general public I feel pushes the country together, such as everyone standing behind Bush after 9/11. Attacking the government I feel(you can see examples of this in just this thread) is more likely to make the general public question their government. Especially for a country that has not been attacked by terrorism before(afaik?).


I do not disagree

I was pointing out that AQ thinks that way - but i don;t think you should compare americans to other countries. They are fiercely patriotic due to their school system. I don;t know many other countries quite like that - UK isnt we are united in our hatred but inaction against politics.

What i really think is that there are a large number of people in these groups that want to do a near miss ... so they show that they could of done something much much worse but look how humane we are - we let everyone go before we blew it up. That and they ahve to live with the guilt for the rest of their lives ... so by doign that they can justify themselves as doing a kindness
. Its a really wierd twisted psychology that lets them be a moral hero despite knowing that really they have just performed an act that is utterly abhorrent.
Its like the line from fight club 'He will live every day of his life like its a gift'


AdamBanks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada996 Posts
July 22 2011 16:01 GMT
#426
On July 23 2011 00:58 alepov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 00:53 Aim Here wrote:
On July 23 2011 00:38 Knuppe wrote:
On July 23 2011 00:31 Ingebrigtsen wrote:
I dont like how the norwegian people are already blaming muslims...

we are a racist bunch unfortunately


orly?

Please tell me how its racism.

Its obviously muslims that blow themselves up we all know this, when another bomb goes off we all know a muslim did it its a fact. Please prove me wrong if you can, which I know you cant.


It's not 'obviously muslims' that perpetrated this particular bomb. It's likely, yes, but there are many instances where bombings get wrongly attributed, despite it being 'obvious' who did it. Proof that you COULD be wrong includes:

Northern Ireland, 1969: A bomb blows up a power station in Northern Ireland. It gets attributed to the Irish Republican Army, and the fallout discredits and topples the relatively liberal unionist government of Terence O'Neill, and he's replaced with William Craig, a hardline loyalist. The perpetrators of the bombing turn out to be the Ulster Volunteer Force, loyalist extremists, who would welcome Craig in preference to O'Neill, and whose politics were diametrically opposed to the IRA.

Bologna, Italy 1982. A terrorist bomb kills hundreds of people at a Bologna train station. It's blamed on left-wing extremists, and the police and government launch a crackdown. The bombing later turns out to have been the work of far-right fascists (possibly working with the Italian intelligence services).

Oklahoma bombing, 1995. A bomb rips through a federal government building in Oklahoma City and kills a huge number of people. The press blames Muslim extremists. The culprit turns out to be right-wing American Christian militia members.

Madrid bombing, 2004. A bomb blows up a train and kills hundreds of people, shortly before the 2004 Spanish General election. The government blames ETA, Basque Seperatist guerrillas. The culprit turns out to be Al Qaeda.

As I say, it's likely that muslim radicals planted this bomb, but it's also very possible they didn't, and overzealously blaming bombings on the wrong perpetrators can often have very harmful effects.

It's a bad habit to use incidents as your arguments. We all know it's VERY likely that this was done by muslims, so might as well assume it for now. When something chewed on your chair you're gonna suspect your dog, not your goldfish.

edit: spelling


Thats all fine and good, but I hope u have the decency to apologize in the cases where your assumptions turn out wrong.
I wrote a song once.
Rubyfire
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany186 Posts
July 22 2011 16:01 GMT
#427
I hope they don't find any other casualties or bombs. :/
Nothing suits me like a suit.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42383 Posts
July 22 2011 16:02 GMT
#428
Still two bombs in the city, they are saying to not go in there/use your mobile devices.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article13363411.ab
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
July 22 2011 16:02 GMT
#429
Police is telling everyone on television now to leave oslo centrum while they search and secure the area. They believe a car may be involved, but cannot confirm.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
Tristy
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway172 Posts
July 22 2011 16:02 GMT
#430
They believe its a car bomb but can not confirm.
"Choose life!"
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 16:06:57
July 22 2011 16:02 GMT
#431
On July 23 2011 00:42 Garm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 00:38 Knuppe wrote:
On July 23 2011 00:31 Ingebrigtsen wrote:
I dont like how the norwegian people are already blaming muslims...

we are a racist bunch unfortunately


orly?

Please tell me how its racism.

Its obviously muslims that blow themselves up we all know this, when another bomb goes off we all know a muslim did it its a fact. Please prove me wrong if you can, which I know you cant.

Racism is juding people by their skin color or where they come from, Islam is NOT a race its a political ideology that actually supported nazi-germany and teaches racism, hate against homosexuals and non-believers.


Islam is a religion, not a political ideology. You're confusing it with Islamism. You can be a muslim without being an islamist.


Islam is a political ideology, the hadiths tell you exactly what to do, when to do your prayers, with which hand you have to eat, wipe your ass etc... Often time the text refers to the "ummah" like a political party.

Islamism is a recent word invented by the West to distinguish which Muslims compromise their interests and/or attack them.
Muslim clerics never refer to it because they know that the word makes no-sense.

All people strictly fallowing the verses Islam are islamists to our western standards, since they believe in either murdering or puting to jail gays, adulterous people and those mocking Islam, even though the vast majority of islamists aren't terrorists (randomly killing citizens).

I know you might disagree because you know a cool muslim guy, but this guy is not a Muslim, I mean having arabic origins, not eating pork and doing the Ramadan doesn't make you a muslim.
It's more than that.

jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
July 22 2011 16:03 GMT
#432
On July 23 2011 00:57 Garm wrote:
The mods seriously should start cracking down on bigotted and ignorant comments in this thread. It's painful to see how people abandon all civility when these kinds of things happen


I can imagine a very long list of possible responses to the news that violent extremists have tried once again to blow people up with a bomb.

"Civility" is actually near the bottom of that list. It's understandable that people will respond to murderous savages with anger, and I think they should be allowed to express it.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
kekepop
Profile Joined November 2010
55 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 16:05:22
July 22 2011 16:03 GMT
#433
Police making an official statement now. Will update

- Considering evacuating all public transport
- Shots fired at "utøya", outside of Oslo
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8246 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 16:05:09
July 22 2011 16:04 GMT
#434
Listening to the press conference. They're not saying anything we didn't already know. They are telling everyone in oslo to leave the center and minimum use of mobile phones.
cENTRYZ
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway832 Posts
July 22 2011 16:04 GMT
#435
I could feel the explosion, I've never seen so many people panic at once. I saw a couple of people who was bleeding from their upper body/face, but nothing huge. Really sad day for us.
Ingebrigtsen
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Norway343 Posts
July 22 2011 16:04 GMT
#436
On July 23 2011 01:03 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 00:57 Garm wrote:
The mods seriously should start cracking down on bigotted and ignorant comments in this thread. It's painful to see how people abandon all civility when these kinds of things happen


I can imagine a very long list of possible responses to the news that violent extremists have tried once again to blow people up with a bomb.

"Civility" is actually near the bottom of that list. It's understandable that people will respond to murderous savages with anger, and I think they should be allowed to express it.


I'd rather find out who to hit with a stick rather than swinging the stick blindly
"These animals should be rewarded for not being people... I hate people"
Aphasie
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway474 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 16:14:33
July 22 2011 16:04 GMT
#437
I was about 100m from the explosion when it happened. (outside the VG building for those who are familiar where that is). Thankfully i was faceing with my back against it when all the glass exploded. An asiatic female tourist wasn't so lucky. She had cuts all over her face and think some of the glass was in her eyes. I just saw one other with minor cuts. The two that were hurt were already taken care of by someone else so i made sure somebody had called an ambulance. I saw a woman lying on the street crying and shaking so i comforted her and took her hand and led her away. Everybody seemed paralyzed so i shouted that everybody should get away in case there was a second bomb and people started moving. When we got like 600 meters away people started panicking and running so we stopped and i held her in my arms till people started cooling down. I then took her on the bus out of town and had a cup of coffee while we talked and she cooled down. Some came to pick her up and now im home having some beers.

Edit:
http://twitpic.com/5tzowl/full

This is where i was standing (bus station behind the windows.). I remember the only half shattered window. It was the only one in 6 floors that was still half way intact.
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
July 22 2011 16:05 GMT
#438
On July 23 2011 01:02 Grettin wrote:
Still two bombs in the city, they are saying to not go in there/use your mobile devices.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article13363411.ab

This has been confirmed NOT to be true by NRK, a govt. funded news agency.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42383 Posts
July 22 2011 16:05 GMT
#439
On July 23 2011 01:05 Warfie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 01:02 Grettin wrote:
Still two bombs in the city, they are saying to not go in there/use your mobile devices.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article13363411.ab

This has been confirmed NOT to be true by NRK, a govt. funded news agency.


Thanks for clearing that out
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
bo0
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium550 Posts
July 22 2011 16:06 GMT
#440
I am in full support/sympathy of the Norwegian people (am talking to a norwegian friend of mine right now)...

but honestly, do not rage at the "fucking muslims". It's not "the muslims", it's "a terrorist group that is not at all a representation of the muslim people". When someone says to blow em all to hell... that just makes me angry. You do realise you're talking about millions of people right? Imagine if a Western person performed a terrorist attack in a country in the middle east, you would think it's ridiculous for muslim people to cry out "Those fucking christians should all be executed!", right? Well that's some of what I'm reading right now.

Please just remain civil and think before you post anything.
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