One more "fuck the police" from page 8 and onward is going to have an all expense paid weekend to E-Disneyland. It adds nothing to the discussion and as such please refrain from making such posts in this topic and the boards in general.
On May 30 2011 04:26 Arckan wrote: They went there to incite the police. They were arrested after being warned multiple times.
I don't see the problem.
You don't see the problem with a policeman picking up a person and body-slamming them into the ground and then putting their hands around the person's throat..all for dancing?
You don't see a problem with purposely misconstruing what actually happened to make it look like the cop was at fault?
I completely understand what happened, and i still feel the cop was EXTREMELY excessive. You can't watch the video and say something like that is completely justified.
I absolutely think that that was justified, it's not actually easy to force someone into hand cuffs without hurting them (and frankly when your resisting it becomes acceptable for you to get a little hurt) and the cops probably weren't trained in the best ways to subdue someone without hurting them which is definitely not their fault.
This is a prime example of how not to protest or try to make a statement. The officers were surprisingly lenient and civil at the beginning, and these douchebags (there's no more apt word for these kind of people) went well out of their way to antagonize the men trying to do their job, forced them to make arrests, and then cried out falsely like they were being savagely beaten as they were resisting arrest. Extra props to the officer who remained calm and gently instructed the one guy to put his hands behind his back in the middle of the chaos. I feel really sorry for the guy(s) who yelled out "you hate America" at the police..he was the one making a disgraceful scene at a solemn National Memorial.
There are proper ways to bring attention to laws/rules that you perceive to be unjust/unfair; creating an embarrassing scene for yourself and posting it online is not one of those ways..
edit: @OP - Citing the exact law that you're breaking isn't a requirement for an officer in the US. In fact, anyone can get arrested (the term literally means "held", being arrested is not the punishment/response to a crime) by an officer for basically anything at any time, and there is no repercussions for false imprisonment or unlawful arrest unless the officer neglectfully arrests the wrong person while acting upon an arrest warrant, or if a person is placed in a holding cell without the prosecutor filing charges over a certain amount of time. It kind of sucks, but that's just the way that the system works. These idiots don't come close to either of these situations, and should've felt honored that they received a warning to begin with.
On May 30 2011 04:26 Arckan wrote: They went there to incite the police. They were arrested after being warned multiple times.
I don't see the problem.
You don't see the problem with a policeman picking up a person and body-slamming them into the ground and then putting their hands around the person's throat..all for dancing?
You don't see a problem with purposely misconstruing what actually happened to make it look like the cop was at fault?
I completely understand what happened, and i still feel the cop was EXTREMELY excessive. You can't watch the video and say something like that is completely justified.
it's how police are trained, if you don't comply they use force well over what they feel is required just in case, after all if the police use extra force to subdue a person there is less risk it will go bad for the police officer, the police aren't going to put themselves in unnecessary danger if it can be avoided.
On May 30 2011 04:53 ChaoticBlack wrote: Someone on YouTube suggests that the same police officer is in another video and this is just staged. Its at 2mins. I don't know what to figure out of it, he looks similar but can't decide if its the same guy.
Yeah, it's the same. Heh, kinda makes sense that the whole thing was staged. Meh, had me fooled at least!
On May 30 2011 03:01 tkRage wrote: These kinda videos piss me off. Those people are intentionally doing shit they know they aren't allowed to do, whether or not the law itself is rational. They're doing it to incite a reaction and then play the innocent victim when that reaction comes.
It's called Civil Disobedience, and it's a useful form of protest.
No comment on the value of the actual protest.
It's really bad civil disobedience though, they go in to protest, they know what they're doing is wrong and they know they're going to get arrested for it. Instead, they flip their shit, say that they weren't warned, say that their rights are being abused and make it seem like a case of the police being unfair.
These people are seriously idiotic in my opinion, a terrible attempt at civil disobedience.
They know that what they are doing is illegal. Wrong? not so much.
ROFL at the man with the DISOBEY shirt on doing whatever the fuck he wants until the officer physically suplexes him to the ground and chokes him out until he can cuff him up.
Also LOL'd when some guy yelled "THIS IS AMERICA WHEN YOU DANCE IN A PUBLIC PLACE!"
Judging from the video, the officers didn't look to be very competent at all, they did their job wrong. Also there is such irony in the location of which people were denied their freedom considering Thomas Jefferson championed such ideals.
On May 30 2011 03:01 tkRage wrote: These kinda videos piss me off. Those people are intentionally doing shit they know they aren't allowed to do, whether or not the law itself is rational. They're doing it to incite a reaction and then play the innocent victim when that reaction comes.
It's called Civil Disobedience, and it's a useful form of protest.
No comment on the value of the actual protest.
It's really bad civil disobedience though, they go in to protest, they know what they're doing is wrong and they know they're going to get arrested for it. Instead, they flip their shit, say that they weren't warned, say that their rights are being abused and make it seem like a case of the police being unfair.
These people are seriously idiotic in my opinion, a terrible attempt at civil disobedience.
They know that what they are doing is illegal. Wrong? not so much.
Good catch, will edit. Point remains, it was shitty civil disobedience.
On May 30 2011 05:52 Andorra wrote: I like how on TL, no matter how drastic the case, there is always, always somebody how will defend the authority no matter what.
I don't think that's really the case here though, since this case isn't drastic at all, and the police response was pretty adequate.
On May 30 2011 05:52 Andorra wrote: I like how on TL, no matter how drastic the case, there is always, always somebody how will defend the authority no matter what.
You'd consider this a drastic case? You must live in Switzerland, or the land of Sugarplum Fairies..
I'm usually the first one to jump in and condemn the police, as they've really done some messed up things here in Portland..but these cops actually were pretty cool with the situation for a lot longer than most, in my observations...
He can get arrested for "Disrupting the Peace", which is illegal and gives police authority to do these things if they deem it as disrupting the peace. And since its a memorial area and not a night club I'm not surprised.
On May 30 2011 05:52 Andorra wrote: I like how on TL, no matter how drastic the case, there is always, always somebody how will defend the authority no matter what.
I don't think they're defending the "authority" for the sake of it. It's just people expressing their opinions. On a site as large as Tl you're bound to have a few who see differently from the majority.
Ps: when you make an argument refrain from saying things like "always" or "no matter what." These types of phrases weaken your argument because they are rarely true and require evidence to be trusted.
On May 30 2011 04:26 Arckan wrote: They went there to incite the police. They were arrested after being warned multiple times.
I don't see the problem.
You don't see the problem with a policeman picking up a person and body-slamming them into the ground and then putting their hands around the person's throat..all for dancing?
You don't see a problem with purposely misconstruing what actually happened to make it look like the cop was at fault?
The cop was clearly at fault for using excessive force with the intent to cause physical harm to somebody that was blatently not a threat to them. Were the protesters trying to start trouble? Ya, of course they were. Does this permit the police to beat people for fun? No, it doesn't. What if the guy had died? Would you still have the same opinion of the event? In Canada, you can't get away with this kind of action against unarmed, nonthreatening civilians.
Not that i I live in Canda, but I'm fairly sure even cops in Canada get away with being violent and abusive. They do that in every country. No biggie.
Are you sure you're from norway? If a cop did that here and there was a video of it, it would be front page news. haha^^
On May 29 2011 19:55 Navillus wrote: They were demonstrating without a permit, the arrest was legal as far as I know.
wowwww. That's really what you have to sya about the situation that happened?, they were dancing, you really think they deserved it?
I undserstand this happened with people thinking like this in your country
I certainly think they deserved it because they were trolling, it wasn't even civil disobedience because in civil disobedience you know what you're doing is illegal and don't pretend that you don't just so you can yell, "America!!!"
Why do you think it was unfair or undeserved? I saw fair warning and no police brutality. I saw simple arrests for an illegal act after fair warning to stop.
The police were basically in a shit position and that was what these trolls were abusing, but they acted like idiots and I certainly think they got what they deserved. The cops could either let them stand there and break the law, or try to get them to stop and do their jobs, they warned them nicely, the protestors didn't listen and then started pretending they didn't know what law they were breaking or that they weren't warned.
On May 30 2011 04:53 ChaoticBlack wrote: Someone on YouTube suggests that the same police officer is in another video and this is just staged. Its at 2mins. I don't know what to figure out of it, he looks similar but can't decide if its the same guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR_PmKlsHlw
Yeah, it's the same. Heh, kinda makes sense that the whole thing was staged. Meh, had me fooled at least!
Yeah, they had the same "cop" in another one of their videos as well.
On May 30 2011 04:53 ChaoticBlack wrote: Someone on YouTube suggests that the same police officer is in another video and this is just staged. Its at 2mins. I don't know what to figure out of it, he looks similar but can't decide if its the same guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR_PmKlsHlw
Yeah, it's the same. Heh, kinda makes sense that the whole thing was staged. Meh, had me fooled at least!
Yeah, they had the same "cop" in another one of their videos as well.
On May 30 2011 04:53 ChaoticBlack wrote: Someone on YouTube suggests that the same police officer is in another video and this is just staged. Its at 2mins. I don't know what to figure out of it, he looks similar but can't decide if its the same guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR_PmKlsHlw
Yeah, it's the same. Heh, kinda makes sense that the whole thing was staged. Meh, had me fooled at least!
Sure does look like the same cop in both videos. Wouldn't be suprising at all if it was all staged. Whatever gets you attention.
im beginning to think it was staged. the guy's account is "adamvstheman" thats pretty much the only tell I need as to what type of content hes gonna post but just watch a couple of the videos. Hes trying to compare schools to prison in multiple videos. this guy's whole gimmick is opposing authority.
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