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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
2.- July 3.- Losira 4.- Dimaga 5.- Sen 6.- Idra I'll discuss Idra since I sense I'm about to get flamed. It's not that he's not good, he's very good. But his attitude problems set him back WAY too much. He could be on the top if he controlled his temper, and didn't let it get the best of him. | ||
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Matthias Meys
13 Posts
I can't wait for NesTea's games either. I'd love to be his fanboy again =D. | ||
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Loki57
United States292 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:37 mordk wrote: King - NesTea 2.- July 3.- Losira 4.- Dimaga 5.- Sen 6.- Idra I'll discuss Idra since I sense I'm about to get flamed. It's not that he's not good, he's very good. But his attitude problems set him back WAY too much. He could be on the top if he controlled his temper, and didn't let it get the best of him. Zzzz, I wish people would stop saying this like he sits there and bangs his head on his desk whenever he loses at tournaments and that makes him lose series. He just feels very frustrated with how Zerg is at the moment, as are like 99% of Zerg players. He's well known for his mechanics and watching his stream you'd say how silly his control actually is too. Has he let that frustration get a little TOO far sometimes? Sure. (Hallucinations, 6pooling MC, etc.) but to say he's a worse player just because his temper is getting insanely exaggerated is a pretty silly argument to me. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:37 mordk wrote: King - NesTea 2.- July 3.- Losira 4.- Dimaga 5.- Sen 6.- Idra I'll discuss Idra since I sense I'm about to get flamed. It's not that he's not good, he's very good. But his attitude problems set him back WAY too much. He could be on the top if he controlled his temper, and didn't let it get the best of him. Pretty much agree with all this. Except Dimaga and Sen. I can't really tell who is better their, but im going with Sen | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
But based on resent results, I'd say MorroW zvt, Dimaga zvz, Mondragon zvp and idra zvr. | ||
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Shadowcloak
Netherlands194 Posts
Sen fighting | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:48 Loki57 wrote: Zzzz, I wish people would stop saying this like he sits there and bangs his head on his desk whenever he loses at tournaments and that makes him lose series. He just feels very frustrated with how Zerg is at the moment, as are like 99% of Zerg players. He's well known for his mechanics and watching his stream you'd say how silly his control actually is too. Has he let that frustration get a little TOO far sometimes? Sure. (Hallucinations, 6pooling MC, etc.) but to say he's a worse player just because his temper is getting insanely exaggerated is a pretty silly argument to me. The thing is Idra isn't innovative. He doesn't try to solve the issue, just complain about it. Many Zergs agree that TvZ is pretty even at the moment. As for PvZ if you watch other top Zergs, especially Sen he is experimenting with a Ling Infestor mix and is wrecking Death balls left and right. Idra makes Roach Hydra Corruptor and tries forcing it to work.. Not to mention his lack of aggression, which would prevent death balls. Has everyone forgotten Idra since beta? His strategy has always been mass alot of crap and attack. Remember Idra vs Tester in the HDH? Im going to mass hydras against Mass Collosi and engage in a choke. Idra has great mechanics, but is strategy stupid. And his temper doesn't help either. The second he gets on his backfoot he gives up(Jinro vs Idra Titans ShowMatch). | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
No one is leading the charge for Zerg yet even though more players like July and IdrA are actively testing different ways to win. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5913 Posts
Maybe if Idra stopped giving up so often and played with more heart to see things through the end, he could be. :\ There's a difference between being good at the game and being great. Its the same reason I didn't like him in Foreigner BW except for the BM... well except for his game against JulyZerg. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:55 GinDo wrote: Pretty much agree with all this. Except Dimaga and Sen. I can't really tell who is better their, but im going with Sen Yeah, I actually had it placed like this at first 4.- Dimaga/Sen 6.- Idra It's really hard to tell who's the better one, sen is more consistent, and dimaga has more flashes of brilliance in his play, i dunno, it's a tough call. On April 22 2011 22:48 Loki57 wrote: Zzzz, I wish people would stop saying this like he sits there and bangs his head on his desk whenever he loses at tournaments and that makes him lose series. He just feels very frustrated with how Zerg is at the moment, as are like 99% of Zerg players. He's well known for his mechanics and watching his stream you'd say how silly his control actually is too. Has he let that frustration get a little TOO far sometimes? Sure. (Hallucinations, 6pooling MC, etc.) but to say he's a worse player just because his temper is getting insanely exaggerated is a pretty silly argument to me. I didn't say anything about it being justified or not, or being born out of frustration or anything, and I didn't because to me, it doesn't matter. The truth is that a pro player should learn to deal with frustration in a much better way, and not let it come through into his play. As long as it affects the quality of his play and particularly, his decision making, game planning, and GG timing, it will continue to be his downfall. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
In SC2, he started out strong, but we're seeing the same thing again. He just refuses to win anything. I have no doubt he's very good, and I'm sure he has potential locked away hidden somewhere, but until he starts actually winning things, he doesn't deserve to be considered the "top level zerg" he's been hyped up to be since the release of the beta. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:17 PH wrote: Idra is probably the most overhyped player in all of starcraft, both one and two. He has rarely posted results in a competitive setting anywhere. Even back in BW, he was in Korea for such a long time, both living and practicing with the best, but still barely ever placed in foreign tournaments. In SC2, he started out strong, but we're seeing the same thing again. He just refuses to win anything. I have no doubt he's very good, and I'm sure he has potential locked away hidden somewhere, but until he starts actually winning things, he doesn't deserve to be considered the "top level zerg" he's been hyped up to be since the release of the beta. He won the King Of The Beta tournament. So the hype since the beta was justified. :p | ||
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TR
2320 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:55 GinDo wrote: Pretty much agree with all this. Except Dimaga and Sen. I can't really tell who is better their, but im going with Sen July style is not solid seriously, if you were a zerg you would know that he is playing pretty cheesy and volatile. And IdrA under Sen & Dimaga is questionnable, you're an idra anti fan so you just don't see how good he is. Most of the time when IdrA is playing, since he is so well known and most of the commentators know his strenght and his weakness, they spotlight those weakness to try to explain his loss (like Day saying it's IdrA's curse to loose when he is 1-1 in a bo3, and just not trying to find the reason why he lost within the game). So the viewers all jump in the train and everybody is there arguing on why IdrA has a problem with his attitude and shit, while if you look at result only, in the biggest tournament he is one of the few that actually is consistant. If he really had that big weakness, his opponents would already have figured out and killed him in every tournaments. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:17 PH wrote: Idra is probably the most overhyped player in all of starcraft, both one and two. He has rarely posted results in a competitive setting anywhere. Even back in BW, he was in Korea for such a long time, both living and practicing with the best, but still barely ever placed in foreign tournaments. In SC2, he started out strong, but we're seeing the same thing again. He just refuses to win anything. I have no doubt he's very good, and I'm sure he has potential locked away hidden somewhere, but until he starts actually winning things, he doesn't deserve to be considered the "top level zerg" he's been hyped up to be since the release of the beta. He's still the best Zerg in NA and I really can't see him surpassed by that many others in EU as well. Although he hasn't posted wins (7th in the last MLG was the highest zerg finish though), his results aren't nearly as bad as people make it out to be (again as a zerg player which I still truly think has some flaws as a race). | ||
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RedHelix
250 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:03 GinDo wrote: The thing is Idra isn't innovative. He doesn't try to solve the issue, just complain about it. Many Zergs agree that TvZ is pretty even at the moment. As for PvZ if you watch other top Zergs, especially Sen he is experimenting with a Ling Infestor mix and is wrecking Death balls left and right. Idra makes Roach Hydra Corruptor and tries forcing it to work.. Not to mention his lack of aggression, which would prevent death balls. Has everyone forgotten Idra since beta? His strategy has always been mass alot of crap and attack. Remember Idra vs Tester in the HDH? Im going to mass hydras against Mass Collosi and engage in a choke. Idra has great mechanics, but is strategy stupid. And his temper doesn't help either. The second he gets on his backfoot he gives up(Jinro vs Idra Titans ShowMatch). wait what? did you see IdrA at mlg dallas? he pretty much figured out an amazing burrow roach timing to destroy mass warpgate pushes, i think that shows innovation considering a lot of korean zergs still get destroyed by sentry warpgate pushes. | ||
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Loki57
United States292 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:03 GinDo wrote: The thing is Idra isn't innovative. He doesn't try to solve the issue, just complain about it. Many Zergs agree that TvZ is pretty even at the moment. As for PvZ if you watch other top Zergs, especially Sen he is experimenting with a Ling Infestor mix and is wrecking Death balls left and right. Idra makes Roach Hydra Corruptor and tries forcing it to work.. Not to mention his lack of aggression, which would prevent death balls. Has everyone forgotten Idra since beta? His strategy has always been mass alot of crap and attack. Remember Idra vs Tester in the HDH? Im going to mass hydras against Mass Collosi and engage in a choke. Idra has great mechanics, but is strategy stupid. And his temper doesn't help either. The second he gets on his backfoot he gives up(Jinro vs Idra Titans ShowMatch). Well at this point you're just making it seem like you haven't seen very many of his recent games lol. Since the famed Cruncher games (and even once in that series) he's been doing many different styles to try against protoss involving all-ins, burrowed roach agression, mass ling/baneling, doom drops/multiple drops around the map, etc. He's been playing far out of his comfort zone and improving pretty greatly against protoss. I understand he has that tag on him of "all he does is macro and try to throw units at people", but that just simply hasn't been true lately. (This is also shown seeing as how you're bringing up HDH and Clash of the Titans as examples ) | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
But since i am a bit bwish still its mondragon for me (creativity is far more important for me then tourney success). Idra was one of my favorite terrans and liked his zerg style too, but didn't liked his terran hate. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On April 22 2011 23:03 GinDo wrote: The thing is Idra isn't innovative. He doesn't try to solve the issue, just complain about it. Many Zergs agree that TvZ is pretty even at the moment. As for PvZ if you watch other top Zergs, especially Sen he is experimenting with a Ling Infestor mix and is wrecking Death balls left and right. Idra makes Roach Hydra Corruptor and tries forcing it to work.. Not to mention his lack of aggression, which would prevent death balls. Has everyone forgotten Idra since beta? His strategy has always been mass alot of crap and attack. Remember Idra vs Tester in the HDH? Im going to mass hydras against Mass Collosi and engage in a choke. Idra has great mechanics, but is strategy stupid. And his temper doesn't help either. The second he gets on his backfoot he gives up(Jinro vs Idra Titans ShowMatch). The HDH tournament is a terrible example. Tester beat Idra in the opening rounds with his 2 base play, and by the time they met in the finals, Idra had devised a way to beat his 2 base colossus push. The final game on Metalopolis was one of the most epic suspense moments in SC2, right before he got Ultras. | ||
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keioh
France1099 Posts
On April 22 2011 22:48 Loki57 wrote: Zzzz, I wish people would stop saying this like he sits there and bangs his head on his desk whenever he loses at tournaments and that makes him lose series. He just feels very frustrated with how Zerg is at the moment, as are like 99% of Zerg players. He's well known for his mechanics and watching his stream you'd say how silly his control actually is too. Has he let that frustration get a little TOO far sometimes? Sure. (Hallucinations, 6pooling MC, etc.) but to say he's a worse player just because his temper is getting insanely exaggerated is a pretty silly argument to me. A good player is not only judged on his mechanics : attitude is key too. He's definetely not a pretender of the Zerg throne, even if he's one of the best mechanicly speaking. By expressing his frustration in game, he just can't deserve the credit of being an as good overall player as the other mentioned here. Ben Arfa in football was so ridiculously mechanicly talented, ye he was such a moron, that he's been forgetted by kind of everyone. | ||
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