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On April 12 2011 03:14 Desirous wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The question is have you watched their streams? I've watched incs and huks a few times and geoff responds to every message he gets and both of them are interactive with stream chat. Your argument is "they shouldn't have to respond to everything because these 2 guys who get spammed all day do respond to everything" lmfao.
yes i have watched their streams (why the hostility bro? chill...) and i recall huk declining 30 friend invites on facebook, clicking down 10 chat windows on facebook, declining 10 "plz add me on msn", and then checking again after 5 minutes, he got as much do deal with again.
And no, thats definately not my argument. Don't put words in my mouth (post).
And you are right. Inc does interact with stream chat, but he doesnt answere every single PM, wich he would have to do to satisfy OP.
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Much has already been said. They receive a LOT of messages. They're not always in the mood to answer them all. That's it, if you meet them in real life i'm sure they will be very happy to talk to you if you say you're supporting them.
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On April 12 2011 03:14 Desirous wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:45 Soier wrote:
Edit: How can you feel intitled to a response? you dont know them, you dont pay them, they are not a public sercive just bec they are "pros" I have no clue how it works over there in Denmark, but the way I see it is that companies sponsor events for the viewers, not for the pros. The pros make money because of us, and if you/they think otherwise you're sadly mistaken Show nested quote +On April 12 2011 02:44 TOCHMY wrote:
Just watch inc's or huk's stream and you'll see infinite messages after every game/on facebook/on msn. The question is have you watched their streams? I've watched incs and huks a few times and geoff responds to every message he gets and both of them are interactive with stream chat. Your argument is "they shouldn't have to respond to everything because these 2 guys who get spammed all day do respond to everything" lmfao. Any Pro-gamer or even amateur who refuses to interact with his fans is only doing it for the money and shouldn't have any fans. And they sure as hell don't care if eSports grows if they're giving people the cold shoulder. It falls on the Pro-gamer to schedule his time efficiently not the fans.
Dude I think you being extremely narrow in your definition of interact. Not answering a million pointless PMs doesn't make a pro "only in it for the money"
I don't at all get the impression that most Pro players are cut off and unwilling to contribute to the community. I think you are having an unreasonable expectation of the amount of time Pros have.
If I schedule 2 hours to practice on ladder that's two hours to practice on ladder, not sit and answer PMs... Maybe I also have an interview scheduled later in the day. Or maybe I'm appearing on a podcast.
I don't see how you can say someone is not caring about growing Esports when they want to practice during their practice time.
Now if Pros are blowing off fans and interviews at an MLG event to go make it rain a club... then yea thats being counter productive to growing esports
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On April 12 2011 04:09 RouaF wrote:
Much has already been said. They receive a LOT of messages. They're not always in the mood to answer them all. That's it, if you meet them in real life i'm sure they will be very happy to talk to you if you say you're supporting them.
This.
I asked Day9 at PAX what he thought about Forcefields, Creep speed boost, Stim, Concussive Shell, speedlings and roaches being stupidly fast, blink, charge and all of the other unit abilities that punish players for moving out of their base. Because, I pointed out, none of these were here in SC1 and that the lack of their presence seems to lead to more active gameplay (i.e. more fun skirmish play instead of sitting on 2 or 3 bases until you have the perfect unit mix and moving out). He gladly answered that the abilities/mechanics that I listed were just mechanisms of players to capitalize on other player's mistakes. Now, I wasn't totally convinced (and I'm still not) whether these things are good for the game, but when I asked him in person he was more than willing to answer my question.
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We actually have progamers like that , Grubby and WhiteRa to mention a few.
But to see more of that kind of friendliness could never hurt.
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When you go to a professional sporting event what do you expect?
It would be nice if I went to Yankee Stadium and Alex Rodriguez gave me an answer to my questions about the importance of keeping your eye on the ball for hitting, but he isn't there to answer my questions. He is there to play a game and many people are there to watch him play, not to watch him answer my questions.
Now I agree personal interaction is great and a great way to grow the spot but at the end of the day their focus is on maximizing their ability to play the game. Which means practicing not chatting with folks in game. You might have a better chance talking with them via email when they can answer questions on their own time.
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During a ladder match I get annoyed when a friend messages me, unless I'm super winning, but you don't really want spam from a buddy while you're trying to hold off a 4gate or something.
Point being: Those are my friends. If it were just some random fanboy i'd get even more annoyed. (not that i have fanboys). If you want to ask a pro a question find their twitter account or TL profile and message them there.
Besides that, you sound like you want attention. "Look at me i've been on the d9d 3 times!". "Look at me, pros didn't answer my pointless interview questions, ARE THEY IMPOLITE?"
And for both your questions. yes roaches have a place in tvz, vs mech, vs helions. And yes banelings have a place in PvZ. There is lots of discussion about banelings vs sentry heavy compositions, baneling drops, and baneling bombs on the middle of a protoss ball.
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u prolly dont understand
these guys get that kind of question 50 times a day
i wouldve stopped replying at the second time
if you really want to ask such question
ask the forums or learn it yourself by doing really
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nothing wrong with being friendly but you must surely know from your own little experience that it can get annoying when people constantly message you random crap. you were on Day9's show once or twice and you even got annoyed from the extra attention. just imagine how a pro like Idra or Jinro would feel at their intense level of fandom.
your poll is kinda strange. of course we want friendliness among Esports. I think the poll you really wanted was:
Should Pros be nice enough to answer random questions from strangers? Fuck no.
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I'm actually scared to message pros because I don't want to bother them. And I wish everyone had that mentality.
Think about this. Let's say you're a computer programmer. You're at a party, and someone asks what you do. You answer that you work with computers. Then they ask if you can take a look at their computer, ask how you use a certain software, etc.
This happens all the time.
Asking a professional gamer for advice is pretty much the same thing, but worse, because you're on the internet and don't even have the personal connection. People like IdrA and INcontrol get paid to answer the questions you're asking. Why should they do it for free?
I mean, it's different if you get coaching first and get permission to ask them questions like this later on. But to do it without knowing them is kind of rude.
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Honestly, it's not their job to help you or answer your questions it would be nice if they did but when there trying to practice I don't think they want to be disturbed. Also think about the fact that they will get sometimes even hundreds of messages from people and a lot will be trolls so when a player comes online they will go busy because they are exactly that. Busy.
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i don't see why you feel entitled to getting strategic advice from pros, why the hell do you think its acceptable to start asking some random pro who doesnt even know you for information? and why do you feel entitled to an answer? they get 100s of questions a day when they log on to ladder from random people, they aren't your buddy who will help you out whenever you want.
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If pros want to ignore a random question from a random player, then that's perfectly fine. If you consider professional athletes as a proxy, would you really waste their time with questions like "do you think the fade-away jumper has place when shooting outside the paint?" or "do you think I should only slap shot the puck from the blue-line?". Your "simple" question is very vague, and reading some treads on TL or watching some streams/replays will give you an answer. Why should someone expect a pro to give them any bit of time to help them improve/figure something out when they aren't willing to put in the time to figure it out with easy sources.
On top of that, in pro-gaming, you're even MORE accessible to fans compared to pro athletes. Instead of running into a handful of fans a day, you could literally have thousands of people with you on their friends list sending stuff to you. Even when I watch catz or destiny stream, there are jerks who treat whispering the person like it's a chat channel, having conversations with others using the streamer as the medium. When you deal with stuff like that ALL the time, you start lumping it all together and it's easier to just ignore it.
With my name, I get "Are you Mr. Bitters?!" all the time in games (1/5 times on ladder), despite the streamer being "Mr. Bitter" (no 's') and having is battle.net ID as "Flabulous". I find that even something like that can get annoying, I can't imagine if I had to deal with hundreds of whispers a day.
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It may be hard to realize how annoying it is unless you're in that position yourself.
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The reason pro players don't respond to tells from random idiots is the same reason pros have smurf accounts, they don't want to and can't answer all the shit random people want to ask them. Not everyone runs a stream like QXC.
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I'll try to strike up a conversation with a "Pro" player if I happen to run across them in my Starcraft travels (Tournies, In-games, meet-ups, etc)
but messaging them on b.net while they're playing is pretty rude IMO.
PM'ing them on TL.net is a much less direct approach, and if they're checking their PM's... most likely they're not in the middle of a game. So you probably stand a better chance of getting a response.
just my $0.02
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Ret is one of the friendliest in the pro scene. He's nice : -)
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Don't talk to progammers while they're playing.
They're not your friend,and besides they may be playing in a tournament or discussing builds with friends or just chilling/ doing stuff. They are not here to talk to you, sorry.
That said, another thread as already been made on that topic where pretty much everyone said that it's only ok to message them to encourage them and cheer them. 1/2 sentences. And pretty much everyone said that asking something wouldn't be answered.
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I don't think we can say "All pros should be more friendly".
People are different, and even the friendly people might be having a bad day. You can't just expect them to have a good conversation all the time for everyone that tries to talk to them.
//tx
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Back when i was in the top wow guild i would get so many random whispers the entire day, 99% got a reply back if I was not busy. However sometimes I would be in a bad mood and just ignore the person (thanks to internet easy)
I don't condone just ignoring people, but there might always be reasons why they might not answer you. People always think " why can't he answer this one question" but if you are the 100th person to ask....
People should also respect the privacy of others.
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