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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
March 22 2011 09:52 GMT
#121
The 4830 is a better card than the 9800GT, and for cheaper. The 4850 is around the same price, and is much better. This is something that someone who may not know much about computers or have much experience, but has had recent experience, would know, as opposed to someone who may know the world about PC's but hasn't built a PC in a month or two. This is because of how fast everything is changing in the market.

So please don't give bad advice to people and think you know everything just because you've been doing this your whole life. Everything gets outdated so quick, that the specifics of this guide will be outdated probably within 3 months. The technical information in the guide is what is important, and is what is correct.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 22 2011 11:34 GMT
#122
Really? Bad advice? Hey look, a benchy for one of the games he wants to play!

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/8299-sapphire-radeon-hd4850-512mb-graphics-card-review-16.html

You were saying?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 12:13:35
March 22 2011 12:12 GMT
#123
On March 22 2011 20:34 JingleHell wrote:
Really? Bad advice? Hey look, a benchy for one of the games he wants to play!

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/8299-sapphire-radeon-hd4850-512mb-graphics-card-review-16.html

You were saying?


Just so you know, there are lots of different versions of the 9800 card. It makes it a nightmare to compare them. In this case, the 9800GTX in that benchmark quite a fair bit faster than the 9800GT that Belial is talking about.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 12:26:11
March 22 2011 12:15 GMT
#124
Yes, its also a nightmare to find benchies for all those old cards. Fact: In some benchies, 9800 GT outperforms Belial's pets. In others, it doesn't. That's benchies. Kid said he wanted to OC the graphics card, so comparing to a GTX is best solution.

But at least I'm not basing 100% of graphics card stuff off of 3dmark scores.

Oh, and lets not forget his in-store requirement at a specific list of retailers. I knew I was forgetting one of the limitations on finding him something. Too early.

Wasn't Belial the one accusing enthusiasts of just throwing useless information out there, instead of actually giving advice specific to the question?
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 13:12:03
March 22 2011 13:11 GMT
#125
^ Right, but I was comparing to the 9800 GT. Why are you even posting in this thread? This is also a guide for SC2, not Crysis.

Guide edited.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 22 2011 13:27 GMT
#126
This is where the kid asked his question, probably due to his tight budget, and this is where he got his answer, appropriate to his actual question and his budget. Maybe if your guide hadn't talked about games besides SC2 to begin with, the kid wouldn't have been misled into thinking this was a place for discussion of a budget gaming PC overall...

Funny, wasn't the confusion factor one of those points of contention you kept trying to call trolling?

Aside from that, the guide is certainly a good bit less ambiguous now, although your statement of playing every game on max settings with a $400 PC on a 3 year upgrade cycle is still as misleading as it was before.
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 13:37:27
March 22 2011 13:36 GMT
#127
I still support the idea of including the cost of additional, necessary items such as an Operating System (most important of them all, actually). You're not going to play anything on any setting with that build without a compliant Operating System. Generally, when people are tight on a budget, they include the cost of Windows 7 into their total cost, because it's a necessary purchase (I wouldn't assume that they use Linux and/or already have a computer built with an OS on it).
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 22 2011 13:42 GMT
#128
On March 22 2011 22:36 Zeke50100 wrote:
I still support the idea of including the cost of additional, necessary items such as an Operating System (most important of them all, actually). You're not going to play anything on any setting with that build without a compliant Operating System. Generally, when people are tight on a budget, they include the cost of Windows 7 into their total cost, because it's a necessary purchase (I wouldn't assume that they use Linux and/or already have a computer built with an OS on it).


And a display, unless you plan to visit a lot of yard sales or craigslist. They're both fairly significant portions of a limited budget.
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
March 22 2011 14:23 GMT
#129
On March 22 2011 22:42 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 22:36 Zeke50100 wrote:
I still support the idea of including the cost of additional, necessary items such as an Operating System (most important of them all, actually). You're not going to play anything on any setting with that build without a compliant Operating System. Generally, when people are tight on a budget, they include the cost of Windows 7 into their total cost, because it's a necessary purchase (I wouldn't assume that they use Linux and/or already have a computer built with an OS on it).


And a display, unless you plan to visit a lot of yard sales or craigslist. They're both fairly significant portions of a limited budget.


A usable monitor isn't quite as rare as a spare OS ^_^ It's still important, although I'm sure people would be fine using the monitor they already have (unless they have a laptop).

Although yes, it should also be noted. Keyboard and Mice can be found for pretty cheap prices ($20 if you don't need all of the flashy lights and whatnot), and speakers aren't too necessary (most people have some method of playing sound), so those aren't so necessary to mention.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 22 2011 16:34 GMT
#130
On March 22 2011 21:15 JingleHell wrote:
Yes, its also a nightmare to find benchies for all those old cards. Fact: In some benchies, 9800 GT outperforms Belial's pets. In others, it doesn't. That's benchies. Kid said he wanted to OC the graphics card, so comparing to a GTX is best solution.


It's not hard to find benches of a 3 year old card. If you were talking about finding benches for a 9600 pro or a x850 than yes it is somewhat hard.

The 4830 infact is a better card and the only reason why it gets outperformed the 9800GT in some benches is because ATI messed up and sent out cards with disabled stream processors.

An overclocked 9800GT does not perform similar to a GTX. The 9800GT is slower clocked and only has 112 stream processors as opposed to 128.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 22 2011 16:46 GMT
#131
On March 23 2011 01:34 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 21:15 JingleHell wrote:
Yes, its also a nightmare to find benchies for all those old cards. Fact: In some benchies, 9800 GT outperforms Belial's pets. In others, it doesn't. That's benchies. Kid said he wanted to OC the graphics card, so comparing to a GTX is best solution.


It's not hard to find benches of a 3 year old card. If you were talking about finding benches for a 9600 pro or a x850 than yes it is somewhat hard.

The 4830 infact is a better card and the only reason why it gets outperformed the 9800GT in some benches is because ATI messed up and sent out cards with disabled stream processors.

An overclocked 9800GT does not perform similar to a GTX. The 9800GT is slower clocked and only has 112 stream processors as opposed to 128.


Good to know. Wish this thread was you making a guide, you actually seem to have a clue.

Screwed up statements retracted. Although the availability through those specific locations still makes my suggestion his best bet.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
March 22 2011 18:29 GMT
#132
^ the point is you don't really need a clue, but information about VRMs and which GPU is the best for the money out today is something that isn't included in most guides. I get it, you don't like the guide. Cool. You can post 20 more times in here to say it more? You and one other person who already said what he wanted to say are the only people who seem to have a problem.

There's nothing 'confusing' about what I say, I make it clear it's a SC2 computer and an SC2 computer will be able to play most games out there pretty well, especially one with a GTX 460, or even 4850.

People will read the guide, and if it so happens they are reading it through the library computer and are screwed because they are suddenly overbudget because they dont have a spare monitor and just absolutely hate linux for some reason, well they are in the same boat they always were in. The guide is complete as is, everything is pretty clear in it. There are a million other guides out there that explains all of the very, very basic stuff you seem to gripe about.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 19:46:30
March 22 2011 19:40 GMT
#133
On March 17 2011 04:12 Belial88 wrote:
My advice - buy a $400 PC today, buy a $400 PC in 3 years, be able to play everything on max settings, and still spent less than an i7 $1500 system.


Since you seem to have trouble grasping that these are STILL your exact words... That isn't a very basic complaint. If someone has a little more budget, but not the knowledge to use it, and comes to this guide, and gets the wrong impression, they might waste money.

You did kind of imply that your guide was for any person looking to build, not just people needing to balance food into the mix.
boblzer0
Profile Joined May 2010
84 Posts
March 22 2011 20:01 GMT
#134
amd is low rent
jonnyp11
Profile Joined March 2011
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 00:53:12
March 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#135
wow, i bookmarked the last page yesterday and didn't notice page 7 and was anoid by no replies even though ya'll didn't answer my last question, which is just a quick fix for my current graphics card sliding pixels diagnolly unless i update or roll it back on every start up, but it only happens when in games.

and i knew what the forum was for, but i was just looking for some descent opinions and advice since i'm a complete newb, and u put in several coments about other games in ur guide including CRYSIS 2, (D.S.)

now, back to playin some dragon age 2, one of the best games ever made
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 04:39:57
March 23 2011 04:38 GMT
#136
Since you seem to have trouble grasping that these are STILL your exact words... That isn't a very basic complaint. If someone has a little more budget, but not the knowledge to use it, and comes to this guide, and gets the wrong impression, they might waste money.

You did kind of imply that your guide was for any person looking to build, not just people needing to balance food into the mix.


Doing a $400 build today and a $400 build later when needed will save more money then getting an i7, but it's clear it's just my opinion there. You are clearly trolling, you argue about semantics this whole time and no one else cares. No one is wasting money by doing that, if anything they are saving money and being ultra practical. If someone wants to spend money a little needlessly, for whatever reason, they'd understand what they need to do and what they are getting. My guide is pointing out that if you are only playing SC2 (or most games for that matter, but not specialized for them) then this is all you need, and any more is simply headroom.

You're just going to be ignored from now on. Obviously I really care about your comments about semantics about these somehow rich yet dumb kids who will foolishly only be able to play Starcraft 2 on amazing when they really want a computer to show off, even though no where in my guide do I say "you should buy this computer to show off how rich you are", because of my guide.



How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
March 23 2011 04:56 GMT
#137
as much as i'm sure your effort is appreciated, this guide is really all over the place and has some incorrect information. i was hoping that by keeping this open a decent discussion would appear and everyone would learn from the experience but it seems this thread has run its course.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
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