• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:27
CEST 07:27
KST 14:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call7[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!23Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week2Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7
StarCraft 2
General
SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week PhD study /w SC2 - help with a survey! Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! 25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 BW General Discussion Looking 4 Yaroslav: Enemy, Korchagin, WCG, Ukraine Pros React To: First 'Fastest' Map in ASL History
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group F [ASL22] Ro24 Group E Escore Tournament - Season 3 [ASL22] Ro24 Group D
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3771 users

Guide to Building a Budget PC - Page 7

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
March 22 2011 09:52 GMT
#121
The 4830 is a better card than the 9800GT, and for cheaper. The 4850 is around the same price, and is much better. This is something that someone who may not know much about computers or have much experience, but has had recent experience, would know, as opposed to someone who may know the world about PC's but hasn't built a PC in a month or two. This is because of how fast everything is changing in the market.

So please don't give bad advice to people and think you know everything just because you've been doing this your whole life. Everything gets outdated so quick, that the specifics of this guide will be outdated probably within 3 months. The technical information in the guide is what is important, and is what is correct.
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 22 2011 11:34 GMT
#122
Really? Bad advice? Hey look, a benchy for one of the games he wants to play!

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/8299-sapphire-radeon-hd4850-512mb-graphics-card-review-16.html

You were saying?
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 12:13:35
March 22 2011 12:12 GMT
#123
On March 22 2011 20:34 JingleHell wrote:
Really? Bad advice? Hey look, a benchy for one of the games he wants to play!

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/8299-sapphire-radeon-hd4850-512mb-graphics-card-review-16.html

You were saying?


Just so you know, there are lots of different versions of the 9800 card. It makes it a nightmare to compare them. In this case, the 9800GTX in that benchmark quite a fair bit faster than the 9800GT that Belial is talking about.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 12:26:11
March 22 2011 12:15 GMT
#124
Yes, its also a nightmare to find benchies for all those old cards. Fact: In some benchies, 9800 GT outperforms Belial's pets. In others, it doesn't. That's benchies. Kid said he wanted to OC the graphics card, so comparing to a GTX is best solution.

But at least I'm not basing 100% of graphics card stuff off of 3dmark scores.

Oh, and lets not forget his in-store requirement at a specific list of retailers. I knew I was forgetting one of the limitations on finding him something. Too early.

Wasn't Belial the one accusing enthusiasts of just throwing useless information out there, instead of actually giving advice specific to the question?
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 13:12:03
March 22 2011 13:11 GMT
#125
^ Right, but I was comparing to the 9800 GT. Why are you even posting in this thread? This is also a guide for SC2, not Crysis.

Guide edited.
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 22 2011 13:27 GMT
#126
This is where the kid asked his question, probably due to his tight budget, and this is where he got his answer, appropriate to his actual question and his budget. Maybe if your guide hadn't talked about games besides SC2 to begin with, the kid wouldn't have been misled into thinking this was a place for discussion of a budget gaming PC overall...

Funny, wasn't the confusion factor one of those points of contention you kept trying to call trolling?

Aside from that, the guide is certainly a good bit less ambiguous now, although your statement of playing every game on max settings with a $400 PC on a 3 year upgrade cycle is still as misleading as it was before.
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 13:37:27
March 22 2011 13:36 GMT
#127
I still support the idea of including the cost of additional, necessary items such as an Operating System (most important of them all, actually). You're not going to play anything on any setting with that build without a compliant Operating System. Generally, when people are tight on a budget, they include the cost of Windows 7 into their total cost, because it's a necessary purchase (I wouldn't assume that they use Linux and/or already have a computer built with an OS on it).
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 22 2011 13:42 GMT
#128
On March 22 2011 22:36 Zeke50100 wrote:
I still support the idea of including the cost of additional, necessary items such as an Operating System (most important of them all, actually). You're not going to play anything on any setting with that build without a compliant Operating System. Generally, when people are tight on a budget, they include the cost of Windows 7 into their total cost, because it's a necessary purchase (I wouldn't assume that they use Linux and/or already have a computer built with an OS on it).


And a display, unless you plan to visit a lot of yard sales or craigslist. They're both fairly significant portions of a limited budget.
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
March 22 2011 14:23 GMT
#129
On March 22 2011 22:42 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 22:36 Zeke50100 wrote:
I still support the idea of including the cost of additional, necessary items such as an Operating System (most important of them all, actually). You're not going to play anything on any setting with that build without a compliant Operating System. Generally, when people are tight on a budget, they include the cost of Windows 7 into their total cost, because it's a necessary purchase (I wouldn't assume that they use Linux and/or already have a computer built with an OS on it).


And a display, unless you plan to visit a lot of yard sales or craigslist. They're both fairly significant portions of a limited budget.


A usable monitor isn't quite as rare as a spare OS ^_^ It's still important, although I'm sure people would be fine using the monitor they already have (unless they have a laptop).

Although yes, it should also be noted. Keyboard and Mice can be found for pretty cheap prices ($20 if you don't need all of the flashy lights and whatnot), and speakers aren't too necessary (most people have some method of playing sound), so those aren't so necessary to mention.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
March 22 2011 16:34 GMT
#130
On March 22 2011 21:15 JingleHell wrote:
Yes, its also a nightmare to find benchies for all those old cards. Fact: In some benchies, 9800 GT outperforms Belial's pets. In others, it doesn't. That's benchies. Kid said he wanted to OC the graphics card, so comparing to a GTX is best solution.


It's not hard to find benches of a 3 year old card. If you were talking about finding benches for a 9600 pro or a x850 than yes it is somewhat hard.

The 4830 infact is a better card and the only reason why it gets outperformed the 9800GT in some benches is because ATI messed up and sent out cards with disabled stream processors.

An overclocked 9800GT does not perform similar to a GTX. The 9800GT is slower clocked and only has 112 stream processors as opposed to 128.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
March 22 2011 16:46 GMT
#131
On March 23 2011 01:34 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 21:15 JingleHell wrote:
Yes, its also a nightmare to find benchies for all those old cards. Fact: In some benchies, 9800 GT outperforms Belial's pets. In others, it doesn't. That's benchies. Kid said he wanted to OC the graphics card, so comparing to a GTX is best solution.


It's not hard to find benches of a 3 year old card. If you were talking about finding benches for a 9600 pro or a x850 than yes it is somewhat hard.

The 4830 infact is a better card and the only reason why it gets outperformed the 9800GT in some benches is because ATI messed up and sent out cards with disabled stream processors.

An overclocked 9800GT does not perform similar to a GTX. The 9800GT is slower clocked and only has 112 stream processors as opposed to 128.


Good to know. Wish this thread was you making a guide, you actually seem to have a clue.

Screwed up statements retracted. Although the availability through those specific locations still makes my suggestion his best bet.
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
March 22 2011 18:29 GMT
#132
^ the point is you don't really need a clue, but information about VRMs and which GPU is the best for the money out today is something that isn't included in most guides. I get it, you don't like the guide. Cool. You can post 20 more times in here to say it more? You and one other person who already said what he wanted to say are the only people who seem to have a problem.

There's nothing 'confusing' about what I say, I make it clear it's a SC2 computer and an SC2 computer will be able to play most games out there pretty well, especially one with a GTX 460, or even 4850.

People will read the guide, and if it so happens they are reading it through the library computer and are screwed because they are suddenly overbudget because they dont have a spare monitor and just absolutely hate linux for some reason, well they are in the same boat they always were in. The guide is complete as is, everything is pretty clear in it. There are a million other guides out there that explains all of the very, very basic stuff you seem to gripe about.
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 19:46:30
March 22 2011 19:40 GMT
#133
On March 17 2011 04:12 Belial88 wrote:
My advice - buy a $400 PC today, buy a $400 PC in 3 years, be able to play everything on max settings, and still spent less than an i7 $1500 system.


Since you seem to have trouble grasping that these are STILL your exact words... That isn't a very basic complaint. If someone has a little more budget, but not the knowledge to use it, and comes to this guide, and gets the wrong impression, they might waste money.

You did kind of imply that your guide was for any person looking to build, not just people needing to balance food into the mix.
boblzer0
Profile Joined May 2010
84 Posts
March 22 2011 20:01 GMT
#134
amd is low rent
jonnyp11
Profile Joined March 2011
United States38 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 00:53:12
March 23 2011 00:50 GMT
#135
wow, i bookmarked the last page yesterday and didn't notice page 7 and was anoid by no replies even though ya'll didn't answer my last question, which is just a quick fix for my current graphics card sliding pixels diagnolly unless i update or roll it back on every start up, but it only happens when in games.

and i knew what the forum was for, but i was just looking for some descent opinions and advice since i'm a complete newb, and u put in several coments about other games in ur guide including CRYSIS 2, (D.S.)

now, back to playin some dragon age 2, one of the best games ever made
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-23 04:39:57
March 23 2011 04:38 GMT
#136
Since you seem to have trouble grasping that these are STILL your exact words... That isn't a very basic complaint. If someone has a little more budget, but not the knowledge to use it, and comes to this guide, and gets the wrong impression, they might waste money.

You did kind of imply that your guide was for any person looking to build, not just people needing to balance food into the mix.


Doing a $400 build today and a $400 build later when needed will save more money then getting an i7, but it's clear it's just my opinion there. You are clearly trolling, you argue about semantics this whole time and no one else cares. No one is wasting money by doing that, if anything they are saving money and being ultra practical. If someone wants to spend money a little needlessly, for whatever reason, they'd understand what they need to do and what they are getting. My guide is pointing out that if you are only playing SC2 (or most games for that matter, but not specialized for them) then this is all you need, and any more is simply headroom.

You're just going to be ignored from now on. Obviously I really care about your comments about semantics about these somehow rich yet dumb kids who will foolishly only be able to play Starcraft 2 on amazing when they really want a computer to show off, even though no where in my guide do I say "you should buy this computer to show off how rich you are", because of my guide.



How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
March 23 2011 04:56 GMT
#137
as much as i'm sure your effort is appreciated, this guide is really all over the place and has some incorrect information. i was hoping that by keeping this open a decent discussion would appear and everyone would learn from the experience but it seems this thread has run its course.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 33m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 127
Trap 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2480
GuemChi 1542
Dewaltoss 118
Soma 110
Icarus 6
Dota 2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 672
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1427
m0e_tv439
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox597
Mew2King130
Other Games
summit1g5530
C9.Mang0448
WinterStarcraft329
PiGStarcraft204
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki15
• Light_VIP 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2175
League of Legends
• Lourlo1150
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
4h 33m
Mini vs Calm
Queen vs EffOrt
Patches Events
10h 33m
Replay Cast
18h 33m
The PondCast
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Escore
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
GSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
GSL
6 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 6
Light Tournament 2026
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.