EPTSo please don't give bad advice to people and think you know everything just because you've been doing this your whole life. Everything gets outdated so quick, that the specifics of this guide will be outdated probably within 3 months. The technical information in the guide is what is important, and is what is correct.
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
So please don't give bad advice to people and think you know everything just because you've been doing this your whole life. Everything gets outdated so quick, that the specifics of this guide will be outdated probably within 3 months. The technical information in the guide is what is important, and is what is correct. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/8299-sapphire-radeon-hd4850-512mb-graphics-card-review-16.html You were saying? | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On March 22 2011 20:34 JingleHell wrote: Really? Bad advice? Hey look, a benchy for one of the games he wants to play! http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/8299-sapphire-radeon-hd4850-512mb-graphics-card-review-16.html You were saying? Just so you know, there are lots of different versions of the 9800 card. It makes it a nightmare to compare them. In this case, the 9800GTX in that benchmark quite a fair bit faster than the 9800GT that Belial is talking about. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
But at least I'm not basing 100% of graphics card stuff off of 3dmark scores. Oh, and lets not forget his in-store requirement at a specific list of retailers. I knew I was forgetting one of the limitations on finding him something. Too early. Wasn't Belial the one accusing enthusiasts of just throwing useless information out there, instead of actually giving advice specific to the question? | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Guide edited. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Funny, wasn't the confusion factor one of those points of contention you kept trying to call trolling? Aside from that, the guide is certainly a good bit less ambiguous now, although your statement of playing every game on max settings with a $400 PC on a 3 year upgrade cycle is still as misleading as it was before. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On March 22 2011 22:36 Zeke50100 wrote: I still support the idea of including the cost of additional, necessary items such as an Operating System (most important of them all, actually). You're not going to play anything on any setting with that build without a compliant Operating System. Generally, when people are tight on a budget, they include the cost of Windows 7 into their total cost, because it's a necessary purchase (I wouldn't assume that they use Linux and/or already have a computer built with an OS on it). And a display, unless you plan to visit a lot of yard sales or craigslist. They're both fairly significant portions of a limited budget. | ||
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On March 22 2011 22:42 JingleHell wrote: And a display, unless you plan to visit a lot of yard sales or craigslist. They're both fairly significant portions of a limited budget. A usable monitor isn't quite as rare as a spare OS ^_^ It's still important, although I'm sure people would be fine using the monitor they already have (unless they have a laptop). Although yes, it should also be noted. Keyboard and Mice can be found for pretty cheap prices ($20 if you don't need all of the flashy lights and whatnot), and speakers aren't too necessary (most people have some method of playing sound), so those aren't so necessary to mention. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On March 22 2011 21:15 JingleHell wrote: Yes, its also a nightmare to find benchies for all those old cards. Fact: In some benchies, 9800 GT outperforms Belial's pets. In others, it doesn't. That's benchies. Kid said he wanted to OC the graphics card, so comparing to a GTX is best solution. It's not hard to find benches of a 3 year old card. If you were talking about finding benches for a 9600 pro or a x850 than yes it is somewhat hard. The 4830 infact is a better card and the only reason why it gets outperformed the 9800GT in some benches is because ATI messed up and sent out cards with disabled stream processors. An overclocked 9800GT does not perform similar to a GTX. The 9800GT is slower clocked and only has 112 stream processors as opposed to 128. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On March 23 2011 01:34 skyR wrote: It's not hard to find benches of a 3 year old card. If you were talking about finding benches for a 9600 pro or a x850 than yes it is somewhat hard. The 4830 infact is a better card and the only reason why it gets outperformed the 9800GT in some benches is because ATI messed up and sent out cards with disabled stream processors. An overclocked 9800GT does not perform similar to a GTX. The 9800GT is slower clocked and only has 112 stream processors as opposed to 128. Good to know. Wish this thread was you making a guide, you actually seem to have a clue. Screwed up statements retracted. Although the availability through those specific locations still makes my suggestion his best bet. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
There's nothing 'confusing' about what I say, I make it clear it's a SC2 computer and an SC2 computer will be able to play most games out there pretty well, especially one with a GTX 460, or even 4850. People will read the guide, and if it so happens they are reading it through the library computer and are screwed because they are suddenly overbudget because they dont have a spare monitor and just absolutely hate linux for some reason, well they are in the same boat they always were in. The guide is complete as is, everything is pretty clear in it. There are a million other guides out there that explains all of the very, very basic stuff you seem to gripe about. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On March 17 2011 04:12 Belial88 wrote: My advice - buy a $400 PC today, buy a $400 PC in 3 years, be able to play everything on max settings, and still spent less than an i7 $1500 system. Since you seem to have trouble grasping that these are STILL your exact words... That isn't a very basic complaint. If someone has a little more budget, but not the knowledge to use it, and comes to this guide, and gets the wrong impression, they might waste money. You did kind of imply that your guide was for any person looking to build, not just people needing to balance food into the mix. | ||
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boblzer0
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jonnyp11
United States38 Posts
and i knew what the forum was for, but i was just looking for some descent opinions and advice since i'm a complete newb, and u put in several coments about other games in ur guide including CRYSIS 2, (D.S.) now, back to playin some dragon age 2, one of the best games ever made | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Since you seem to have trouble grasping that these are STILL your exact words... That isn't a very basic complaint. If someone has a little more budget, but not the knowledge to use it, and comes to this guide, and gets the wrong impression, they might waste money. You did kind of imply that your guide was for any person looking to build, not just people needing to balance food into the mix. Doing a $400 build today and a $400 build later when needed will save more money then getting an i7, but it's clear it's just my opinion there. You are clearly trolling, you argue about semantics this whole time and no one else cares. No one is wasting money by doing that, if anything they are saving money and being ultra practical. If someone wants to spend money a little needlessly, for whatever reason, they'd understand what they need to do and what they are getting. My guide is pointing out that if you are only playing SC2 (or most games for that matter, but not specialized for them) then this is all you need, and any more is simply headroom. You're just going to be ignored from now on. Obviously I really care about your comments about semantics about these somehow rich yet dumb kids who will foolishly only be able to play Starcraft 2 on amazing when they really want a computer to show off, even though no where in my guide do I say "you should buy this computer to show off how rich you are", because of my guide. | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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