Guide to Building a Budget PC - Page 5

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

March 21 2011 20:04 GMT

#81

It's actually transitioning more from an opinion piece with some technical suggestions (most of which he admits were plagiarized) to a lesson in semantics.

And I strongly suggest keeping religious texts out of the picture when trying to calm a thread down. Kind of counterproductive.

As far as writing a technical guide, the author should absolutely treat it as a professional work, otherwise you end up with the exact pool of legitimate issues being raised that this one has.

jonnyp11

United States38 Posts

March 21 2011 21:01 GMT

#82

hey, if anyone has a good and valid opinion on these can u post or pm or email to jonnyp11@live.com, looking at these for my pc cuz with the current default geforce 7050 it just barely run crysis, moh, nfs shift, and nfs undercover so something that'll run these and hopefully newer games and i cant use online retailers, only retailers i can pick it up at (bestbuy, wallyworld, microcenter, and frys mainly), thanks mom and dad (im 14, not a 20+geek in the basement) and im also on a small budget (<100 please if u suggest), and idk my power supply, guessing 300-400 since its a ~$370emachine, and not gunna pointlessly open comp and get yelled at, and sorry for length and scatterdness, written as i think it with adhd aint so comprehendable (and im planning on building a comp sooner or later so longgevity is preferable, tiny budget)

Links:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/EVGA-Nvidia-GeForce-GT-430-Graphics-Card-with-1024MB-DDR3-Memory/15571983 (Got a $20 gift card, and i know its the same for more on 1 of the last 3, but micro is ~30min - 1hour away while wallyworld is ~5 - 10 min)

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0328301 (not sure if i can get the money, mom ows me most of it from something i paid for that she said she'd repay me for but cnt so if im lucky shell let me get it out of my bank account and replace with every peny i get till its done)

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0347361 (same as last)

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0325952 (same, again)

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0355874 (this and next 2 favs, found b4 reading this article and favs for price but not location)

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0352694

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0350276

please respond soon i really want to play these games, I <3 Crysis (played on my friends laptop and 1 of the best games ive ever played)

sry, and is it also a bad idea to just strip an old compaq on win xp and replace just about every part, cuz thats mine and my dad can fuck off when it comes to that thing, cuz i dont think he'll let me put anything in this but im gunna anyways, he says we cant replace this when he recently got a 27' i7 mac, a macbook, an iphone 4, and an ipad 3g 32gb(when it came out) (and thats part of the reason for my low budget and why my mom cant pay me, our power bill is fucking rediculus plus other bills, we got way too much stuff)

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

March 21 2011 21:45 GMT

#83

Compared to those cards, since neither will get you strong DX11 performance, you may do better sticking with the slightly stronger 9800 GTX.

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0355188

Never used Zotac myself, though, so you may want to ask around on their reliability.

Mind you, that card isn't going to smoke any of those old DX10 games into the floor, but it will get functional frames at decent settings in Crysis.

a176

Canada6688 Posts

March 21 2011 21:51 GMT

#84

Ask your dad if he can install windows on the imac and allow you to play games there.

jonnyp11

United States38 Posts

March 21 2011 23:11 GMT

#85

thanks, i never woul've caught that 9800, thats a way better option, iv looked b4 and never seen any that were that cheap, but never looked that hard cuz the ones ive seen were adviously a considerable amount more, and a176, i wish that was possible, but i know that there's no way in hell that he'd ever let me do that, he doesn't like any for m of games downloaded even on this computer. but again, thanks jinglehell, that cards probably gunna last alot longer too if i can get it, and its cheaper than the gt 430 at walmart then with that mail in rebate its near half off, which should convince my mom, and might even bring my dad over, otherwise ima lookin for a good cpu and motherboard if u 2 are interested in helping out with that, which brings me back to that ending question, could i strip my compaq and stick these parts into it, thanks in advance and for the help u've already given, and if u want, my gt=iGOD x KINGz, im on most days but lately ive been on this searching around alot

for the reliability ill tell u in a couple mins, im gunna look this card up on newegg.com which is supposed to be really good at deals and plenty of reviews according to every forum ive visited.

really wish walmart would do stuff like this, the $20 gift card and WAY shorter trip would be nice cuz i aint paying for shipping and i dont think they have any, or at least on their graphic cards

jonnyp11

United States38 Posts

March 21 2011 23:24 GMT

#86

On March 22 2011 06:45 JingleHell wrote:
Mind you, that card isn't going to smoke any of those old DX10 games into the floor, but it will get functional frames at decent settings in Crysis.

so how will this last and will it do anything on dx11, since i just thought of that after 5 mins of hapiness since i wont exactly be able to go out and replace this in a year when the whole market will be full of dx11 almost only and the dx10 games will be empty on multiplayer

and when i look at the specs, mind u i am a complete newb, the gt 430 has all around better specs other than those 18 or so extra cuda cores, scratch that, i looked at the specs on nvidea.com and saw the tfr was 3 times better and the mem bandwidth was 2 times better.

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

March 21 2011 23:30 GMT

#87

Most games are still playable in 9/10. DX11 GPUs are probably a minimum of 2 years from sufficient market saturation for developers to stop making their games compatible with DX9/10.

That GPU won't let you utilize DX11 effects, but until the games stop being backwards DX compatible, that won't be an issue for you.

Plus, many games are coming out multi-platform these days, and consoles are only DX9. That will also be a limiting factor until the next-gen comes out. Some PC only releases may end up being a bit above that GPUs capabilities in that time frame, but by the time all titles are, you should be able to get a summer job pretty easy to take care of it.

jonnyp11

United States38 Posts

March 21 2011 23:36 GMT

#88

oh yeah and are either the gt 430 or the 9800 gt worth looking into overclocking, which i idiotically tried with this 7050 and ended up crashing my computer and completely screwing away 2 hours getting the game it crashed on to reinstall cuz it did some wierd stuff and wanted the cd to install the digital download. and also my card has to be rolled back then the next time updated every time i start this comp, cuz otherwise it completely fucks up with colored dots everywhere once the game is in progress, not during anything else, only ingame, and thanks again i know im asking alot from complete strangers and asking for alot of yalls time that yall could probably use to do what i want to do once i can get this thing set up.

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

March 21 2011 23:38 GMT

#89

I used to use 9800GTX+, OCed out of the box by EVGA. As for how well the Zotac card handles it, you'll just need to google it, that's all I'd do.

jonnyp11

United States38 Posts

March 21 2011 23:43 GMT

#90

ok thats pretty good, so if i can get a good 2 plus years then i think it should be worth it and i'll probably talk to my grandad over summer about jobs i can do, he's the reason my dad can get all those fancy thing cuz he lives in the house too and he's set so the bills are gunna get paid no matter what, which he pretty much is now, but with him i may be able to build a computer by the time school starts next year or after christmas at the latest, i hope. i talk too much.

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

March 21 2011 23:48 GMT

#91

Yeah, I'm actually starting to feel pretty creepy knowing so much about your personal life. Bear in mind, the 2 year mark is based mostly on a combination of a loose eye to trends and educated guesswork. I could be way off the mark. (But I doubt it.)

jonnyp11

United States38 Posts

March 21 2011 23:58 GMT

#92

not sure what that second parts about, but im in the south were were armed like shit, semi-auto banana clip rifle in my dads closet with 5+ more guns of all kinds, that u can get from 6, plus a pistol and revolver, so i dont care, just try something, but on newegg, the first couple made it seem horrible, then the others made it seem good-amazing if u wanna talk on kinect or skype to make these conversations alot faster, i told u my gt and pm me if u want skype, i wouldn't do all this stuff normally like u were sort of implying i shouldn't, but uve been a great help.

jonnyp11

United States38 Posts

March 22 2011 00:03 GMT

#93

and a good point 1 guy made was the disadvantadge of using 128-bit in comparison to the 2watever-bit which i'll look for in a sec., but i also dont know the difference it will actualy make and these guys were upgrading from (1 guy said) HD4850

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

March 22 2011 00:08 GMT

#94

Well, hardwarecanucks.com has a benchmark for that radeon card you listed, and the 9800 beat it in average on most tests (not as often on minimum) for framerate.

As for the 430 vs the 9800, you can check both of their spec sheets at nvidia.com.

jonnyp11

United States38 Posts

March 22 2011 00:11 GMT

#95

yeh, the 9800 gt blow it away, as i said earlier, with 3times the texture fill rate, like 18 more cuda cores, and about tice the memory bandwidth but everything else seems lower

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

March 22 2011 00:17 GMT

#96

The 430 is kind of a crap offering, not really intended for gaming, so much as people who just need a little more than chipset graphics.

The 9800 was formerly a heavyweight, still performs moderately well, and happens to be, currently, the most used card of Steam owners.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

jonnyp11

United States38 Posts

March 22 2011 00:21 GMT

#97

k, but will i have to do anything involving this things integrated GeF 7050 north NF 620i South chipset, hadn't even thought about that

jonnyp11

United States38 Posts

March 22 2011 00:26 GMT

#98

the steam thing is a good point

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

March 22 2011 00:31 GMT

#99

If you're talking about your integrated graphics card (I'm assuming thats what a geforce 7050 is...) than you are going to have to disable it through the BIOS.

The southbridge is a chip on your motherboard that controls the USB, Ethernet, SATA, and everything else..

The 9800GT (formerly 8800GT) is very popular because it was the first card to bring $500 performance of the 8800 GTS to a very affordable $200 pricepoint.

jonnyp11

United States38 Posts

March 22 2011 00:35 GMT

#100

oh and 1 big problem u just pointed out to me, when looking into cpu overclocking, the main tactic was to go to bios and increase some value and see what happened, crash or not, then repeat, and when attempting, i noticed that on the bootup, NO BIOS OPTION, i didn't really look at alternative ways in other than the boot buttons that are supposed to wark online, but no success, could it have to do with this being the floor model, i really doubt it, but might as well ask, great deals buying that way

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