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On June 16 2011 11:40 RinesOnRx wrote:
He shits all over BW by bringing in illegal gambling and gangs risking the whole competetive BW scene. Now he decides to stream BW publicly while he is on probation?
There is no doubt he is a great player, but he is a bigger scum.
There's nothing in his probation that says he can not PLAY bw nor that he can not STREAM bw which are the only things he's doing. He's not trying to return to the professional scene and he could not even if he wanted to. THAT was his punishment, time spent in jail and being unable to play the game he clearly is very passionate about (as is shown by him continuing with it) professionally.
There's no reason anybody should punish him more by not allowing him to stream his games or not allowing him to play at all (which some people are suggesting).
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Just because its legal doesn't mean that what he did is right. He made many statements saying that he was showing remorse over what he did, but it doesn't seem genunine when he does stuff like this. If he really cared passionately for this game, there is no way he would have got involved and organized the match fixing in the first place. People who really care about BW, such as casters and players, are giving really negative interviews about this right now.
He also didn't serve any jail time. He was just on probation.
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On June 16 2011 11:56 RinesOnRx wrote:
Just because its legal doesn't mean that what he did is right. He made many statements saying that he was showing remorse over what he did, but it doesn't seem genunine when he does stuff like this. If he really cared passionately for this game, there is no way he would have got involved and organized the match fixing in the first place. People who really care about BW, such as casters and players, are giving really negative interviews about this right now.
He also didn't serve any jail time. He was just on probation.
so lets say someone gets arrested for stealing.
They do 6 months community service and pay a fine.
should that person not be able to shop while they're doing their community service?
no. stop being silly.
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fuck all of your guys' morals and such. I really want to see him play(as I am sure most of you do too). Lol this is some kind of catholic communion or something. You don't need to be sinless to stream.
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are you guys serious? he paid a fine, went to court, he already received his punishment. i really dont understand why you guys are getting all your panties in the air because he decided to stream a few games, its not like hes trying to get back into pro-BW.
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On June 16 2011 11:56 RinesOnRx wrote:
Just because its legal doesn't mean that what he did is right. He made many statements saying that he was showing remorse over what he did, but it doesn't seem genunine when he does stuff like this. If he really cared passionately for this game, there is no way he would have got involved and organized the match fixing in the first place. People who really care about BW, such as casters and players, are giving really negative interviews about this right now.
He also didn't serve any jail time. He was just on probation.
Savior was the #1 player by far and was underpaid. He tried to make some extra money while he was on top and living it up. He was a young dude who made a bad choice. In the end because he felt like he would make more from throwing the games than he would from dedicating himself full time its probably down to a problem with korean esports scene and the structure of team salary revolving around multi-year contracts and almost no ability for other teams to scalp talent/offer more money until the contract is up. I mean ultimately the best players over there are kind of fucked over for the sake of the entire scene.
Everyone is dismayed by what he did but the people who act so offended maybe lack some perspective. Its not uncommon in other games when two players on the same team or good friends are in a Final and just agree to goof around and split the 1st/2nd prize.
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On June 16 2011 11:58 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 11:56 RinesOnRx wrote:
Just because its legal doesn't mean that what he did is right. He made many statements saying that he was showing remorse over what he did, but it doesn't seem genunine when he does stuff like this. If he really cared passionately for this game, there is no way he would have got involved and organized the match fixing in the first place. People who really care about BW, such as casters and players, are giving really negative interviews about this right now.
He also didn't serve any jail time. He was just on probation. so lets say someone gets arrested for stealing. They do 6 months community service and pay a fine. should that person not be able to shop while they're doing their community service? no. stop being silly.
Agreed.
No reason at all that Savior shouldn't play or stream BW or SC2 or any game.
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On June 16 2011 11:58 Kiante wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 11:56 RinesOnRx wrote:
Just because its legal doesn't mean that what he did is right. He made many statements saying that he was showing remorse over what he did, but it doesn't seem genunine when he does stuff like this. If he really cared passionately for this game, there is no way he would have got involved and organized the match fixing in the first place. People who really care about BW, such as casters and players, are giving really negative interviews about this right now.
He also didn't serve any jail time. He was just on probation. so lets say someone gets arrested for stealing. They do 6 months community service and pay a fine. should that person not be able to shop while they're doing their community service? no. stop being silly.
Arguing with analogy is weak, and its simply terrible if it analogy can't even hold.
First, it is well within the store's right to ban known shoplifters
Also, If you are a convicted child molestor, you can be banned from approaching children. According to your logic, this is BS.
Learn to make proper arguments before accusing people of being silly.
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On June 16 2011 12:10 RinesOnRx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 11:58 Kiante wrote:On June 16 2011 11:56 RinesOnRx wrote:
Just because its legal doesn't mean that what he did is right. He made many statements saying that he was showing remorse over what he did, but it doesn't seem genunine when he does stuff like this. If he really cared passionately for this game, there is no way he would have got involved and organized the match fixing in the first place. People who really care about BW, such as casters and players, are giving really negative interviews about this right now.
He also didn't serve any jail time. He was just on probation. so lets say someone gets arrested for stealing. They do 6 months community service and pay a fine. should that person not be able to shop while they're doing their community service? no. stop being silly. Arguing with analogy is weak, and its simply terrible if it analogy can't even hold. First, it is well within the store's right to ban known shoplifters Also, If you are a convicted child molestor, you can be banned from approaching children. According to your logic, this is BS. Learn to make proper arguments before accusing people of being silly.
yeah hes banned from one store but not other stores. hes banned from progaming (big store lots of stuff) but thats doesnt stop him from being able to just play for fun and maybe stream a few games (smaller store that doesnt ban him).
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On June 16 2011 12:10 RinesOnRx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 11:58 Kiante wrote:On June 16 2011 11:56 RinesOnRx wrote:
Just because its legal doesn't mean that what he did is right. He made many statements saying that he was showing remorse over what he did, but it doesn't seem genunine when he does stuff like this. If he really cared passionately for this game, there is no way he would have got involved and organized the match fixing in the first place. People who really care about BW, such as casters and players, are giving really negative interviews about this right now.
He also didn't serve any jail time. He was just on probation. so lets say someone gets arrested for stealing. They do 6 months community service and pay a fine. should that person not be able to shop while they're doing their community service? no. stop being silly. Arguing with analogy is weak, and its simply terrible if it analogy can't even hold. First, it is well within the store's right to ban known shoplifters Also, If you are a convicted child molestor, you can be banned from approaching children. According to your logic, this is BS. Learn to make proper arguments before accusing people of being silly.
The store owners DID ban the known shoplifter, this is him going to another store to buy deodorant.
To compare him to a child molestor is complete BS, and using that analogy, starcraft is the sex, not the child. The child would represent betting, and he SHOULD be banned from gambling. However he shouldn't be banned from having sex.
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This thing isn't about Savior playing Starcraft on his spare time. No one is stopping him from playing BW, and there was no outcry when he played on Single player/ Bnet, etc. Its because he made the stream public and made a profit off it (through star things which are paid for by cash).
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On June 16 2011 12:15 RinesOnRx wrote:
This thing isn't about Savior playing Starcraft on his spare time. No one is stopping him from playing BW, and there was no outcry when he played on Single player/ Bnet, etc. Its because he made the stream public and made a profit off it (through star things which are paid for by cash).
And given to him by good-will of others, he didn't force them to give him them he just said hey guys it's savior, hope you enjoy watching. (Obviously not a direct quote but why not confirm he is who he is.) Afterwards people CHOSE to donate to him, and please read my previous post.
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is there anything directly wrong with that? the only thing he got banned from was pro-BW
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There's nothing wrong for Savior receiving donations from people who enjoy watching him play Brood War. I just can't relate this to his match fixing match fixing.
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On June 16 2011 12:10 RinesOnRx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2011 11:58 Kiante wrote:On June 16 2011 11:56 RinesOnRx wrote:
Just because its legal doesn't mean that what he did is right. He made many statements saying that he was showing remorse over what he did, but it doesn't seem genunine when he does stuff like this. If he really cared passionately for this game, there is no way he would have got involved and organized the match fixing in the first place. People who really care about BW, such as casters and players, are giving really negative interviews about this right now.
He also didn't serve any jail time. He was just on probation. so lets say someone gets arrested for stealing. They do 6 months community service and pay a fine. should that person not be able to shop while they're doing their community service? no. stop being silly. Arguing with analogy is weak, and its simply terrible if it analogy can't even hold. First, it is well within the store's right to ban known shoplifters Also, If you are a convicted child molestor, you can be banned from approaching children. According to your logic, this is BS. Learn to make proper arguments before accusing people of being silly.
Implying savior did something as bad as child molestation. You sound as silly as the KT coach.
Crimes involving money (theft, fraud) are in a totally different category. They are in no way comparable to child molestation.
The theft analogy makes total sense, for example
i walk into a store and steal something. i get caught and charged, and the store owner bans me. This does not stop me from going to another store and buying things.
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MJY made money by helping fix games. It was bad, he shouldn't have done it, went behind the backs of the sport and so on. The sport isn't pure to begin with when there are monopolistic forces with government backing that set rules (KESPA), but that isn't an excuse. MJY probably lost the will or ability to play at a high level and decided to make money another way.
He fucked up, had his trial, KESPA banned him and now he streams on his own time, with his own resources, and as his own representative. He got kicked out of KESPA's domain so now he started his own little thing (I don't know if he profits or will profit from this). If you want to make analogies then think of it like that.
It really isn't something to argue over. If you feel personally damaged by what he did, don't watch.
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this is how addicting this game is lol
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I would totally watch.
I would still love to see him play professional SC2. Not going to lie. Congrats he made a mistake, regarding money, in a world where money is everything.
I am still a fan of him and his sc:bw play. he made some mistakes to try to make a better life for himself and got caught and suffered the ramifications be being publicly exposed/banned from professional BW. What else does the world want from him?
If he wants to play/stream/make money off of it GREAT for him, who is any1 to say he shouldnt be allowed to play BW online and stream it? kinda ridiculous of people to be all over him for this..
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None of us has the right to judge the guy, if anything it's unfair that he doesn't get his second chance like everyone does since he already served his time.
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I concluded that MaBonjwa was so good that the only way he could loose was when getting paid for it :D
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