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Trolled by OP  some1 change the title!
As if owning over half of Iraq's oil fields wasn't reason enough for Bush to kill 80k civilians.
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On December 14 2010 18:11 .Aar wrote:
This.. is pretty freaking weird. I don't know what to say or think about this.
I am so confused now. I thought it was basically common knowledge that the WMDs were complete bullshit. But now..
This is really, really, really interesting.
Ah see I thought by now most people realized that we really thought there was WMD's but people just want to say we went for oil...
I have read this thread and how people say its falsified but still think its true ^^.
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Fenrax
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So, the WMD thing is just a fake, right?
Because if there were WMDs that would be the first thing that the US military would make public.
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It is likely that the US put a lid on confirming the WMD because they wanted nations who may have attempted something, not to, by making it a "may/maynot be true" nature.
Russia and the US have the biggest nuclear stockpiles, so if they went ahead and confirmed "Hey guys its true!" then its likely someone else would have tried and stepped in, who otherwise didn't have the resources, to get it before the US could come.
I'm probably wrong...but its a train of thought at least.
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On December 14 2010 18:01 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 17:46 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 16:42 rabidch wrote:On December 14 2010 16:35 enzym wrote:
I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them... Yellowcake is a very long way away from being able to be called anything close to wmds, and it isn't even material for wmds exclusively. Yellowcake is basically nothing but a more concentrated form of raw uranium. It is concentrated ore, so to speak.
And yet the op, many people in this thread and probably the big chunk of american people will buy into it and believe that this must mean that Saddam pursued wmds.
This is scary, scary shit. I have a hatred for unreflecting people and for others who are doing their best to push that thoughtlessness further or use it to their ends.
Please, people, take 100 steps back and observe things from a wider angle before completely flipping out over things. This article changes NOTHING.
edit: Also can't wait for the continuation of reports telling about Iran's obtainment of yellowcake and how it must mean that they are pursuing nuclear weapons (I actually believe that I have seen such a report just a few days - 1week back), and that we now must go to war with Iran. i dont agree with you 100% but one thing that annoys me is the prevalence of the "slippery slope" that slippery slope goes both ways. the guy you quoted fails to see that irony "The guy you quoted" supposedly has a name to address him by. Since he quoted my I'm going to assume that you are also referring to me. I don't see where any slippery slope relevant to the discussion is coming into this from just the words I used, though. Maybe you mean that inversely there can also be no guarantee that they were not going to use it for wmds. But that's a stupid point to make. We don't invade countries or imprison people because any materials they have in their possession could possibly be used to cause harm. Why? Because ANY materials can be used to cause harm. Possibility does not equal intent. Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "that slippery slope"?
"I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them"
plz remind me why I should take you seriously when you say something as stupid as this.
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On December 14 2010 17:33 shannn wrote:
So to be very simple. They had the ingredients to make WMDs / nuclear reactors. But they already had oil so nuclear reactors would be stupid to have. So because of this assumption the US goverment (Bush?) thought it was only for WMDs?
Am I correct to think like this?
Hum Yellowcake doesn't really mean they were going to make nuclear weapons. It is commonly used to make fuel rods with but it needs to be enriched atleast twice which Iraq didn't have the capabilities to do to get a high enough percent of U235 to make a bomb or even use in a naval reactor. Commercial plants don't need highly enriched uranium so unless the US can prove that Iraq had a way to weapon the yellowcake it could of been just for a reactor. I mean Nuclear Technology should be a goal of any modernized country it is the only viable clean energy source.
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On December 14 2010 19:23 maliceee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 18:01 enzym wrote:On December 14 2010 17:46 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 16:42 rabidch wrote:On December 14 2010 16:35 enzym wrote:
I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them... Yellowcake is a very long way away from being able to be called anything close to wmds, and it isn't even material for wmds exclusively. Yellowcake is basically nothing but a more concentrated form of raw uranium. It is concentrated ore, so to speak.
And yet the op, many people in this thread and probably the big chunk of american people will buy into it and believe that this must mean that Saddam pursued wmds.
This is scary, scary shit. I have a hatred for unreflecting people and for others who are doing their best to push that thoughtlessness further or use it to their ends.
Please, people, take 100 steps back and observe things from a wider angle before completely flipping out over things. This article changes NOTHING.
edit: Also can't wait for the continuation of reports telling about Iran's obtainment of yellowcake and how it must mean that they are pursuing nuclear weapons (I actually believe that I have seen such a report just a few days - 1week back), and that we now must go to war with Iran. i dont agree with you 100% but one thing that annoys me is the prevalence of the "slippery slope" that slippery slope goes both ways. the guy you quoted fails to see that irony "The guy you quoted" supposedly has a name to address him by. Since he quoted my I'm going to assume that you are also referring to me. I don't see where any slippery slope relevant to the discussion is coming into this from just the words I used, though. Maybe you mean that inversely there can also be no guarantee that they were not going to use it for wmds. But that's a stupid point to make. We don't invade countries or imprison people because any materials they have in their possession could possibly be used to cause harm. Why? Because ANY materials can be used to cause harm. Possibility does not equal intent. Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "that slippery slope"? "I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them" plz remind me why I should take you seriously when you say something as stupid as this.
And what exactly is stupid about it? Apparently lots of people in this thread do take it as yellowcake=wmds. Even after I posted there are plenty of people with that line of thought. Where did they get that information from? Fearmongering media, or not? Maybe not specifically from this article but from a mindset of paranoia they were instilled with through bombardment with reports like this over the years. I ask you again: what slippery slope were you referring to? And why would that specific line you just quoted be stupid to say when it is reinforced by many posts in this thread?
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"The uranium issue is not a trivial one, because Iraq, sitting on vast oil reserves, has no peaceful need for nuclear power."
This sentence sticks out to me. On one hand, it was Saddam's Iraq, so maybe it's true, on the other hand, isn't there always a peaceful need for nuclear power? Vast oil reserves aren't some miracle, they're just a resource. That's like saying you don't need to take regular expansions once you have a gold expansion.
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On December 14 2010 19:38 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:23 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 18:01 enzym wrote:On December 14 2010 17:46 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 16:42 rabidch wrote:On December 14 2010 16:35 enzym wrote:
I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them... Yellowcake is a very long way away from being able to be called anything close to wmds, and it isn't even material for wmds exclusively. Yellowcake is basically nothing but a more concentrated form of raw uranium. It is concentrated ore, so to speak.
And yet the op, many people in this thread and probably the big chunk of american people will buy into it and believe that this must mean that Saddam pursued wmds.
This is scary, scary shit. I have a hatred for unreflecting people and for others who are doing their best to push that thoughtlessness further or use it to their ends.
Please, people, take 100 steps back and observe things from a wider angle before completely flipping out over things. This article changes NOTHING.
edit: Also can't wait for the continuation of reports telling about Iran's obtainment of yellowcake and how it must mean that they are pursuing nuclear weapons (I actually believe that I have seen such a report just a few days - 1week back), and that we now must go to war with Iran. i dont agree with you 100% but one thing that annoys me is the prevalence of the "slippery slope" that slippery slope goes both ways. the guy you quoted fails to see that irony "The guy you quoted" supposedly has a name to address him by. Since he quoted my I'm going to assume that you are also referring to me. I don't see where any slippery slope relevant to the discussion is coming into this from just the words I used, though. Maybe you mean that inversely there can also be no guarantee that they were not going to use it for wmds. But that's a stupid point to make. We don't invade countries or imprison people because any materials they have in their possession could possibly be used to cause harm. Why? Because ANY materials can be used to cause harm. Possibility does not equal intent. Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "that slippery slope"? "I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them" plz remind me why I should take you seriously when you say something as stupid as this. And what exactly is stupid about it? Apparently lots of people in this thread do take it as yellowcake=wmds. Even after I posted there are plenty of people with that line of thought. Where did they get that information from? Fearmongering media, or not? Maybe not specifically from this article but from a mindset of paranoia they were instilled with through bombardment with reports like this over the years. I ask you again: what slippery slope were you referring to? And why would that specific line you just quoted be stupid to say when it is reinforced by many posts in this thread?
Since you won't read between the lines, the slippery slope is you judging an entire country through your own media and a stupid OP. You assume that since there are some stupid people in here, and from what you have seen/heard about how stupid our media is, that you should be scared of americans.
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On December 14 2010 19:43 maliceee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:38 enzym wrote:On December 14 2010 19:23 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 18:01 enzym wrote:On December 14 2010 17:46 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 16:42 rabidch wrote:On December 14 2010 16:35 enzym wrote:
I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them... Yellowcake is a very long way away from being able to be called anything close to wmds, and it isn't even material for wmds exclusively. Yellowcake is basically nothing but a more concentrated form of raw uranium. It is concentrated ore, so to speak.
And yet the op, many people in this thread and probably the big chunk of american people will buy into it and believe that this must mean that Saddam pursued wmds.
This is scary, scary shit. I have a hatred for unreflecting people and for others who are doing their best to push that thoughtlessness further or use it to their ends.
Please, people, take 100 steps back and observe things from a wider angle before completely flipping out over things. This article changes NOTHING.
edit: Also can't wait for the continuation of reports telling about Iran's obtainment of yellowcake and how it must mean that they are pursuing nuclear weapons (I actually believe that I have seen such a report just a few days - 1week back), and that we now must go to war with Iran. i dont agree with you 100% but one thing that annoys me is the prevalence of the "slippery slope" that slippery slope goes both ways. the guy you quoted fails to see that irony "The guy you quoted" supposedly has a name to address him by. Since he quoted my I'm going to assume that you are also referring to me. I don't see where any slippery slope relevant to the discussion is coming into this from just the words I used, though. Maybe you mean that inversely there can also be no guarantee that they were not going to use it for wmds. But that's a stupid point to make. We don't invade countries or imprison people because any materials they have in their possession could possibly be used to cause harm. Why? Because ANY materials can be used to cause harm. Possibility does not equal intent. Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "that slippery slope"? "I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them" plz remind me why I should take you seriously when you say something as stupid as this. And what exactly is stupid about it? Apparently lots of people in this thread do take it as yellowcake=wmds. Even after I posted there are plenty of people with that line of thought. Where did they get that information from? Fearmongering media, or not? Maybe not specifically from this article but from a mindset of paranoia they were instilled with through bombardment with reports like this over the years. I ask you again: what slippery slope were you referring to? And why would that specific line you just quoted be stupid to say when it is reinforced by many posts in this thread? Since you won't read between the lines, the slippery slope is you judging an entire country through your own media and a stupid OP. You assume that since there are some stupid people in here, and from what you have seen/heard about how stupid our media is, that you should be scared of americans.
he does not judge an entire country just through that post, but it REMINDED him why he is scared of americans and how they are influenced by their media.
so its like he encountered numerous examples just like this with many americans apearing to be blinded by their media and this thread just reminded him how scared those numerous encounters make him.
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On December 14 2010 19:53 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:43 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 19:38 enzym wrote:On December 14 2010 19:23 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 18:01 enzym wrote:On December 14 2010 17:46 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 16:42 rabidch wrote:On December 14 2010 16:35 enzym wrote:
I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them... Yellowcake is a very long way away from being able to be called anything close to wmds, and it isn't even material for wmds exclusively. Yellowcake is basically nothing but a more concentrated form of raw uranium. It is concentrated ore, so to speak.
And yet the op, many people in this thread and probably the big chunk of american people will buy into it and believe that this must mean that Saddam pursued wmds.
This is scary, scary shit. I have a hatred for unreflecting people and for others who are doing their best to push that thoughtlessness further or use it to their ends.
Please, people, take 100 steps back and observe things from a wider angle before completely flipping out over things. This article changes NOTHING.
edit: Also can't wait for the continuation of reports telling about Iran's obtainment of yellowcake and how it must mean that they are pursuing nuclear weapons (I actually believe that I have seen such a report just a few days - 1week back), and that we now must go to war with Iran. i dont agree with you 100% but one thing that annoys me is the prevalence of the "slippery slope" that slippery slope goes both ways. the guy you quoted fails to see that irony "The guy you quoted" supposedly has a name to address him by. Since he quoted my I'm going to assume that you are also referring to me. I don't see where any slippery slope relevant to the discussion is coming into this from just the words I used, though. Maybe you mean that inversely there can also be no guarantee that they were not going to use it for wmds. But that's a stupid point to make. We don't invade countries or imprison people because any materials they have in their possession could possibly be used to cause harm. Why? Because ANY materials can be used to cause harm. Possibility does not equal intent. Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "that slippery slope"? "I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them" plz remind me why I should take you seriously when you say something as stupid as this. And what exactly is stupid about it? Apparently lots of people in this thread do take it as yellowcake=wmds. Even after I posted there are plenty of people with that line of thought. Where did they get that information from? Fearmongering media, or not? Maybe not specifically from this article but from a mindset of paranoia they were instilled with through bombardment with reports like this over the years. I ask you again: what slippery slope were you referring to? And why would that specific line you just quoted be stupid to say when it is reinforced by many posts in this thread? Since you won't read between the lines, the slippery slope is you judging an entire country through your own media and a stupid OP. You assume that since there are some stupid people in here, and from what you have seen/heard about how stupid our media is, that you should be scared of americans. he does not judge an entire country just through that post, but it REMINDED him why he is scared of americans and how they are influenced by their media. so its like he encountered numerous examples just like this with many americans apearing to be blinded by their media and this thread just reminded him how scared those numerous encounters make him.
k dude. when i want to know what a country is like, I read my own media and visit gaming site forums. It makes me feel really smart, let me tell you.
maybe you should read his answer again which references people's posts in this thread about yellowcake.
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Consider that you are all being manipulated.
This man is most likely an agent provocateur working for a flag-less nation.
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On December 14 2010 19:59 Redunzl wrote:
Consider that you are all being manipulated.
This man is most likely an agent provocateur working for a flag-less nation.
That theory is so ridiculous. Assange's life history is so well documented by now that there really can't be any doubt he's an authentic person. If there is any trickery going on it would have to do with the leaked information, but it's more probable it actually is legit -- with the information so easily accessible it was bound to happen at one point.
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On December 14 2010 19:43 maliceee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:38 enzym wrote:On December 14 2010 19:23 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 18:01 enzym wrote:On December 14 2010 17:46 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 16:42 rabidch wrote:On December 14 2010 16:35 enzym wrote:
I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them... Yellowcake is a very long way away from being able to be called anything close to wmds, and it isn't even material for wmds exclusively. Yellowcake is basically nothing but a more concentrated form of raw uranium. It is concentrated ore, so to speak.
And yet the op, many people in this thread and probably the big chunk of american people will buy into it and believe that this must mean that Saddam pursued wmds.
This is scary, scary shit. I have a hatred for unreflecting people and for others who are doing their best to push that thoughtlessness further or use it to their ends.
Please, people, take 100 steps back and observe things from a wider angle before completely flipping out over things. This article changes NOTHING.
edit: Also can't wait for the continuation of reports telling about Iran's obtainment of yellowcake and how it must mean that they are pursuing nuclear weapons (I actually believe that I have seen such a report just a few days - 1week back), and that we now must go to war with Iran. i dont agree with you 100% but one thing that annoys me is the prevalence of the "slippery slope" that slippery slope goes both ways. the guy you quoted fails to see that irony "The guy you quoted" supposedly has a name to address him by. Since he quoted my I'm going to assume that you are also referring to me. I don't see where any slippery slope relevant to the discussion is coming into this from just the words I used, though. Maybe you mean that inversely there can also be no guarantee that they were not going to use it for wmds. But that's a stupid point to make. We don't invade countries or imprison people because any materials they have in their possession could possibly be used to cause harm. Why? Because ANY materials can be used to cause harm. Possibility does not equal intent. Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "that slippery slope"? "I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them" plz remind me why I should take you seriously when you say something as stupid as this. And what exactly is stupid about it? Apparently lots of people in this thread do take it as yellowcake=wmds. Even after I posted there are plenty of people with that line of thought. Where did they get that information from? Fearmongering media, or not? Maybe not specifically from this article but from a mindset of paranoia they were instilled with through bombardment with reports like this over the years. I ask you again: what slippery slope were you referring to? And why would that specific line you just quoted be stupid to say when it is reinforced by many posts in this thread? Since you won't read between the lines, the slippery slope is you judging an entire country through your own media and a stupid OP. You assume that since there are some stupid people in here, and from what you have seen/heard about how stupid our media is, that you should be scared of americans.
I don't judge an entire country and never any person specifically. I am aware that it is a generalization and I use it only as that. BUT, and that is the thing, I know what "your" media looks like and I can add to the reasonableness of a generalization whenever I see anybody of that group falling into its pattern, like the op and many people in this thread.
Now maybe you are suggesting that the op is merely a troll and that it is impossible to tell - that I fell for it. The reason for which I didn't question that is because, again, I have seen how your mediascape looks like, how polls in your country go and thus decided that it is plausible that he is serious - just as serious as all the people in this thread who are going from yellowcake directly to wmds.
Lastly I do not think that I have shared any information about the media outlets that I follow with you. But since you mentioned it I can now defend myself. I don't own a TV, nor radio, am not subscribed to any newspapers or blogs or only any one other news source. Instead I follow many sources who themselves follow plenty of different sources (in the end that amounts to a combination of fox news, msnbc, cnn, cspan, russia today, theyoungturks, moxnews, the "whitehouse" channel on yt and the rss feed of tagesschau.de (german public service tv web outlet) and I criticize all of them to the extent where other people start to question why I am following them at all).
Long story short. I will ask you one last time to provide any false assumption I might have made and explain why it is so, so that I can either defend my position or change it. But as it looks now you just assumed that I take generalizations for more than they are, which I don't.
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Talk about a misleading OP. Just read the New York Times article...
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Read the article; wikileaks confirms no such thing as nuclear weapons in Iraq. AFAIK, there is still no documented evidence anywhere on the internet or any other source which suggests that nuclear weapons did exist in Iraq. Further more, I believe that if such documents did exist, they would be thrust into the news headlines of every major USA media outlet.
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On December 14 2010 19:35 Jswizzy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 17:33 shannn wrote:
So to be very simple. They had the ingredients to make WMDs / nuclear reactors. But they already had oil so nuclear reactors would be stupid to have. So because of this assumption the US goverment (Bush?) thought it was only for WMDs?
Am I correct to think like this? Hum Yellowcake doesn't really mean they were going to make nuclear weapons. It is commonly used to make fuel rods with but it needs to be enriched atleast twice which Iraq didn't have the capabilities to do to get a high enough percent of U235 to make a bomb or even use in a naval reactor. Commercial plants don't need highly enriched uranium so unless the US can prove that Iraq had a way to weapon the yellowcake it could of been just for a reactor. I mean Nuclear Technology should be a goal of any modernized country it is the only viable clean energy source.
Not really since atomic energy is everything but clean.. what to do with the toxic waste is something no one knows how to deal it.
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On December 14 2010 09:27 omfghi2u2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 09:24 Plexa wrote:
That puts an interesting twist on the whole wikileaks situation O_O That is exactly what I was thinking. But it makes me wonder, if the US goes out of its way this much to jail Assenge, why not go out of its way to get credibility and inform the world that Iraq HAD wmd's?
That is exactly what I am thinking. I find it HIGHLY unlikely that WL would not have announced THAT information. More importantly, there is no way that if the US had that information, THEY wouldn't have made it public BEFORE WL would make it public. This just doesn't make any sense.
I smell bullshit.
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On December 14 2010 09:30 Krigwin wrote:
Why would they keep a lid on this if it provides justification for the entire war effort?
I was wondering the same thing, wow future history books will look upon this period differently, now that this info has come to light.
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On December 14 2010 20:08 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2010 19:43 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 19:38 enzym wrote:On December 14 2010 19:23 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 18:01 enzym wrote:On December 14 2010 17:46 maliceee wrote:On December 14 2010 16:42 rabidch wrote:On December 14 2010 16:35 enzym wrote:
I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them... Yellowcake is a very long way away from being able to be called anything close to wmds, and it isn't even material for wmds exclusively. Yellowcake is basically nothing but a more concentrated form of raw uranium. It is concentrated ore, so to speak.
And yet the op, many people in this thread and probably the big chunk of american people will buy into it and believe that this must mean that Saddam pursued wmds.
This is scary, scary shit. I have a hatred for unreflecting people and for others who are doing their best to push that thoughtlessness further or use it to their ends.
Please, people, take 100 steps back and observe things from a wider angle before completely flipping out over things. This article changes NOTHING.
edit: Also can't wait for the continuation of reports telling about Iran's obtainment of yellowcake and how it must mean that they are pursuing nuclear weapons (I actually believe that I have seen such a report just a few days - 1week back), and that we now must go to war with Iran. i dont agree with you 100% but one thing that annoys me is the prevalence of the "slippery slope" that slippery slope goes both ways. the guy you quoted fails to see that irony "The guy you quoted" supposedly has a name to address him by. Since he quoted my I'm going to assume that you are also referring to me. I don't see where any slippery slope relevant to the discussion is coming into this from just the words I used, though. Maybe you mean that inversely there can also be no guarantee that they were not going to use it for wmds. But that's a stupid point to make. We don't invade countries or imprison people because any materials they have in their possession could possibly be used to cause harm. Why? Because ANY materials can be used to cause harm. Possibility does not equal intent. Could you please elaborate on what you mean by "that slippery slope"? "I read the op and am immediately reminded of how scared I am of americans and the amount of control the media exerts over them" plz remind me why I should take you seriously when you say something as stupid as this. And what exactly is stupid about it? Apparently lots of people in this thread do take it as yellowcake=wmds. Even after I posted there are plenty of people with that line of thought. Where did they get that information from? Fearmongering media, or not? Maybe not specifically from this article but from a mindset of paranoia they were instilled with through bombardment with reports like this over the years. I ask you again: what slippery slope were you referring to? And why would that specific line you just quoted be stupid to say when it is reinforced by many posts in this thread? Since you won't read between the lines, the slippery slope is you judging an entire country through your own media and a stupid OP. You assume that since there are some stupid people in here, and from what you have seen/heard about how stupid our media is, that you should be scared of americans. I don't judge an entire country and never any person specifically. I am aware that it is a generalization and I use it only as that. BUT, and that is the thing, I know what "your" media looks like and I can add to the reasonableness of a generalization whenever I see anybody of that group falling into its pattern, like the op and many people in this thread. Now maybe you are suggesting that the op is merely a troll and that it is impossible to tell - that I fell for it. The reason for which I didn't question that is because, again, I have seen how your mediascape looks like, how polls in your country go and thus decided that it is plausible that he is serious - just as serious as all the people in this thread who are going from yellowcake directly to wmds. Lastly I do not think that I have shared any information about the media outlets that I follow with you. But since you mentioned it I can now defend myself. I don't own a TV, nor radio, am not subscribed to any newspapers or blogs or only any one other news source. Instead I follow many sources who themselves follow plenty of different sources (in the end that amounts to a combination of fox news, msnbc, cnn, cspan, russia today, theyoungturks, moxnews, the "whitehouse" channel on yt and the rss feed of tagesschau.de (german public service tv web outlet) and I criticize all of them to the extent where other people start to question why I am following them at all). Long story short. I will ask you one last time to provide any false assumption I might have made and explain why it is so, so that I can either defend my position or change it. But as it looks now you just assumed that I take generalizations for more than they are, which I don't.
You should word your statements more carefully then. I absolutely agree that many americans are un-informed and media driven, but my conclusion is much different than yours. What I find through personal experience and following as many different news outlets as possible(I find it is much better to follow news aggregators than news sites, such as huffpost/drudge/sometimes bbc), is that there are two extremes here. You have the type that follows only fox news and usually does not know what economic theory is. It tends to focus solely on hot topics like punishments for child molestors or terrorism claims. The other extreme is the type that agrees with anything european, ignoring any problems that it has.
In the middle is a more silent and much larger majority than news outlets bother to notice. This site has plenty of the extremes but few of the middle because it has a mostly younger and less traveled following. They either watch the daily show or sean hannity and assume that makes them more informed than the next guy.
If you did not mean to generalize all americans, I agree with you. On the other hand, you should not take posts on this site as any indication of....anything.
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