On December 10 2010 09:59 emc wrote:
It's not really an advantage, if you both scout at the same time you'll see what his race is in the middle of the map because he's going to have to scout you. ZvT, he's going to scout you because he wants to see if you are doing 2 rax pressure. He's at a disadvantage if he doesn't scout because this game relies on information.

And he's playing random and thus withholding crucial information. Thereby; most builds do not require scouting or later scouting (i.e. 6pool on 2 player maps), so your argument is invalid as well.

sjschmidt93

United States2518 Posts

December 10 2010 01:00 GMT

#23

No. A random player has to know 9 matchups. You have to change one little thing or maybe play a little safer or maybe scout a little earlier.

Live with it.

For the record, I never run into any random players who cheese.

link0

United States1071 Posts

December 10 2010 01:01 GMT

#24

Random players that cheese every game are the scum of the earth.

gutter

United States22 Posts

December 10 2010 01:01 GMT

#25

It helps if you think of random as the fourth race, rather than a strategic handicap. In theory, in a perfectly balanced game and with a player who played all 3 races perfectly, going random would certainly be an advantage. But in reality, it's just as much a handicap to the random player as it is to his opponent. It takes longer to improve general mechanics without that consistency, and it is almost impossible to reach that super high level where the race basically becomes an extension of your mind.

Against a random player, you need to discard builds that only work against one race, and start with a general opener. It's hard to do when you like to stick to one effective build, but just look at it as an exercise in broadening your horizons.

FuRong

New Zealand3089 Posts

December 10 2010 01:01 GMT

#26

I think random is awesome, basically you gain a small informational advantage early game but the tradeoff is that you don't know each matchup as well as a player who chooses their race.

From your post it seems that your play is kind of inflexible, and random players force you to deviate from your standard build orders so you find it annoying. Maybe "always" doing one opening vs certain races isn't the best way to play? I don't mean to criticise, but maybe it's good for your development as a player if you are, for example, occasionally forced to actually play a straight up TvZ rather than just autopilot two Rax every game.

I don't really understand your argument...random players force you to actually scout and react to what they are doing, hence random makes the game unfair? If it bothers you that much, then create a new generic build order with several transitions that you can "always" do against random players =/

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

December 10 2010 01:02 GMT

#27

This has been discussed to death. OP, if you really think random has an unfair leg up, i strongly advise you ladder as random for a 100 games. You can come back here and share your thoughts then.

holynorth

United States590 Posts

December 10 2010 01:02 GMT

#28

On December 10 2010 09:57 the p00n wrote:

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Random is not necessarily at a disadvantage - most players have 1 race they excel with, and he has 0.33 odds of rolling that race against me. Sure, the other 2 players may be happy and have a skill advantage, but the 3rd player will play against his best race with an additional handicap. Also, I don't know if 'knowing more match-ups' is really true, as most ladder randoms I encounter simply all-in me by either proxying something, or 6pooling me.

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They do not necessarily have to have 'less skill with the race'. If you meet them in rated, and they play mono-random, there's a fat chance that they are roughly equally as skilled as you are on average with all 3 races. They may lose to your main race with Z, they may be on equal levels with T and they may beat you with P - just an example of how the average can work. Saying that their advantage is negated by them having less skill is simply demonstrating that you most likely have a low IQ, as you would not be getting them in ladder if they had substantially less skill than you.

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'It's part of the game' really is not a good argument, and sending a scout at 8 puts you at a disadvantage. If the Terran command center suddenly gets the same speed as a banshee and the same attack as a battlecruiser, I'm sure you wouldn't go 'it's part of the game' either. You are using your own frame of reference (most likely 'I don't really care') and then proceed to churn out an uneducated, low-IQ opinion. I really don't know what that contributes to this thread.

I thought you were just misinformed at first, but you are clearly a troll now.

Putting a player at .33 odds of getting there best race is a disadvantage. And the fact that they have to practice a theoretical three times the amount to equal you in skill is a huge problem.

Stop whining and scout early.

Fruscainte

4596 Posts

December 10 2010 01:03 GMT

#29

On December 10 2010 09:58 the p00n wrote:

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No, this does not sum it up. Read my post above, you are misinformed and so are all the other people that have posted in this thread so far.

How? When random you need to know all 3 races and how to react to dozens of builds for every single race they play as and against. And you're saying despite that, the fact that the enemy doesn't know what race you are for like 2:30?