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piroko139
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States261 Posts
October 13 2010 09:51 GMT
#21
The problem with Diamond is the skill difference between bottom diamond and top diamond is ENORMOUS. I'm diamond and I don't consider myself anywhere NEAR pro level play.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
October 13 2010 09:52 GMT
#22
I think this way:

Bronze -> Diamond 1400pt = bad
Diamond 1400pt+ = good

It just seems that you can be gold, or plat or diamond 1k pt and you will still be horrible so I just separate in those 2 "leagues".

Ofc there are exceptions though.
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ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
October 13 2010 09:52 GMT
#23
I'm in platinum. I'm not impressed with myself nor the people around me. Feels like everyone either cheese or mass, with predetermined builds. Little in terms of adaptation of originality or so it feels.
NeXiLe
Profile Joined February 2006
Canada262 Posts
October 13 2010 09:52 GMT
#24
On October 13 2010 17:58 NeXiLe wrote:
I'm stuck in platinum and I'm nottt liking it. I imagine the only reason I'm still in it is because I only have 31 games played but from my experience silver-gold-platinum are all pretty similar in skill. Bronze seem extra bad. When I get matched against someone who's platinum, I almost always shit on them. Lately the game just pairs me with 1400+/- diamond players and I'm only winning 2/5 atm >< I would never consider someone in platinum to be pro. Either they'll be moved up soon if they're any good, or they're just as bad as the rest ^^

I don't think you really start seeing people being really good until they have a pretty decent amount of points in diamond. There's still plenty of not so great diamond players.


So I lied - After losing 4 games in a row last night to 1400 point diamond players - mostly zergs > I decided to get over it and play tonight 'cause I can't improve if I don't play ;p so I guess they stuck me against some platinum terran and I won easily and was finally promoted :D Yay. Now I have inspiration to play ;p as lame as that sounds.
whomybuddy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States620 Posts
October 13 2010 09:52 GMT
#25
.........it's all about the points XD if you are 2000+ diamond then you are pro. The rest are newbies. Yes I'm talking to you(who is reading this). You are newbie !!!
.........In diamond, you would have bronze-diamond silver-diamond gold-diamond, plat-diamond, and then the true diamond-diamond.
.....I want to be back in platinum and pwn newbie all day long but too bad I can't T.T
Roaches all the way way way.
Viktator
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark23 Posts
October 13 2010 09:53 GMT
#26
On October 13 2010 18:13 mOnion wrote:
i personally feel that platinum is better than diamond cuz the metagame is faster


This is funny.

On the current subject: I play random in platinum, and I think many of the players in low diamond and worse are somewhat thrown off by the fact they don't know my race. However, against proper diamond players I get owned pretty hard at time -> the system seems to work fine.
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Deleted User 61629
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
1664 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 09:58:33
October 13 2010 09:57 GMT
#27
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Thunderfist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Poland159 Posts
October 13 2010 09:59 GMT
#28
Being in diamond means nothing, but at the same time NOT being in diamond means ur shit.
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FrostedMiniWeet
Profile Joined July 2009
United States636 Posts
October 13 2010 10:07 GMT
#29
On October 13 2010 18:13 mOnion wrote:
i personally feel that platinum is better than diamond cuz the metagame is faster


One more person who doesn't know what the word "metagame" means.
ArtemisKnives
Profile Joined March 2010
United States210 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 10:13:24
October 13 2010 10:12 GMT
#30
As a veteran FPS Player I was moved into Platinum my 2nd day of playing the beta from the gold league and then when the diamond system came around I was placed into diamond immediately.

I'd say people sub Diamond just lack the basics. You get into diamond once you can scout, build workers, micro a tiny bit and keep your macro decently going to keep up with your income. You don't even need very good expansion timing to get into diamond.

I had never played an RTS before but I understood what the idea was behind it.
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Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
October 13 2010 10:15 GMT
#31
Diamond just means you have mastered the basics, and now it's time to explore the rest of the game. Up until diamond all you're doing is just making units, and keeping money low. That's all you need. You could get to diamond making only Carriers, or only marines, it doesnt matter as long as you keep your money low and keep making drones. I'm only like 1300 diamond and i am terrible at the game. I will get supply blocked and forget important upgrades. So will 2k rated players.

It's always funny how people with theorycraft for hours and find new strategies, when they're still in gold/bronze. Because at those levels, it doesnt matter, at all.

Then again, diamond players are still pretty bad. It will be a few years before anyone will actually be good at the game (non pros). 1800 diamond still means you make a ton of mistakes, and probably get supply blocked alot.

But there is still a big jump from platinum to diamond.

Bronze players are really really bad, and probably never play the game. silver - platinum players are pretty similar, i can rarely tell them apart.


If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
seodoth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands319 Posts
October 13 2010 10:21 GMT
#32
I started as gold, but moved to platinum very fast. Since i got to platinum i havent played very much lately so. I see myself as an average player: i like to macro and ingame decisions, but i lack a fixed buildorder for every set up. I like to wing games, just build and play in a way that will put you in a favorable condition vs your opponent (scout a lot).
My experience was that some platinum players can give you a great run for your money and sometimes decisively beat you, and some diamond players are dissapointingly sloppish So i dont give a lot of meaning to the fact if someone is in diamond or plat, but i still like the league system because i feel that im competing with people around and above my skill level which allows me to improve myself
Rikstah
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia126 Posts
October 13 2010 10:23 GMT
#33
yeah I'm in platinum and I have to say sometimes I can't tell the difference between my league and gold, we're really quite average and sometimes lacking hugely in one way or the other.

i'm trying to crack into diamond but haven't had enough time to really practice properly (too much work)
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eoLithic
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway221 Posts
October 13 2010 10:25 GMT
#34
This discussion reminds me much about a common topic in the World Of Warcraft community, where people say that people that are fairly high rated, usually higher then themselves is quite bad and that it isn`t much of an achievement to reach f.example 2200 rating, which is fairly high incase you don`t play WoW. 1300 or 1400 points in diamond is very good! A friend of mine, which was top world caliber in WC3 (top40 2v2 world ranking) is quite insane at SC2 and crushes most diamond players. He doesn`t play that much and drops quite abit during the periods he`s busy with school, but he`s still very good! He played against sjoW recently, which is a proffesional SC payer and the result was pretty even, could`ve gone either way really so I must say that the "gap" you`re talking about, well, I can`t really see it. As far as my skill lvl go, I`m top platinum, yeah, platinum, but I still think I get the game and play fairly good.
"You`re a pro or you`re a noob...that`s life"
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
October 13 2010 10:31 GMT
#35
i had no experience in any RTS and 5 weeks ago i bought sc2, started in bronze with terrible lose streaks (never did practice league) and now i am platinum, had to work all the way up bronze-silver-gold. i have about 130 total 1v1 games played, normally i like to play 4v4 because you can do fun strats. i got like 1.3k pts, a lot more wins than losses, and i don't think there is much skill different coming from any platinum to a 1k-1.2k diamond player. once you get higher than that - it seems that is where the bell curve begins a steeper incline.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Slower
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia6 Posts
October 13 2010 10:34 GMT
#36
Im still in plat. I feel like I would be in diamond, if i didnt stop switching races lol.

Ive gone from zerg to protoss to zerg to terran to protoss to terran to zerg to terran. Ill try to to change again before diamond lol

I dont feel like platium players are far behind the low ranks of diamond, theres not much difference (ive played a few).

Btw this is my 1st post on these forums, which seem pretty cool. No trolling or spamming at all
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tacrats
Profile Joined July 2010
476 Posts
October 13 2010 10:36 GMT
#37
On October 13 2010 18:51 piroko139 wrote:
The problem with Diamond is the skill difference between bottom diamond and top diamond is ENORMOUS. I'm diamond and I don't consider myself anywhere NEAR pro level play.


because diamond doesnt equal pro level play. just means your not learning how to play the game anymore.
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
October 13 2010 10:41 GMT
#38
It's only challenging if you're over 1400 pts. Anything below that and you're walking in the park.
Siwa
Profile Joined August 2010
91 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-13 10:55:13
October 13 2010 10:43 GMT
#39
In my experience gold an platinum are almost to same. Could not tell which one you played against without looking at the player profile.

And to those who say only diamond players have "even basic understanding of the game", I say that you can make the jump from plat to diamond purely with better mechanics.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
October 13 2010 11:32 GMT
#40
Because getting better at this game is exponential. At each step you look at your previous steps and think of them as insignificant compared to what is ahead. When I was in Silver I though Bronze was super easy, same happened happened when I hit Gold and use to comment on how bad I was when I was in Silver.

Then you finally hit Diamond, give yourself a good pat on the back and laugh as you realize how awful you were back when you were in Silver/Gold/Platinum. But only after playing games in Diamond do you realize how awful you still are. The difference between a high Diamond player and a mid Diamond player seems as clear as day, the difference in the disparity of fundamentals and knowledge between you and your opponent isn't nearly as significant as it was at the lower rating/leagues and why he is winning is because he is actually outplaying you, not because you don't know what a good build order is.

Getting to Diamond/Plat is like climbing a mountain and seeing that you are near the top. You are pretty happy with your self that you've made it this far and it feels like an accomplishment, but then the next day the fog clears revealing the mountain is three times as big as you thought it was and becomes increasingly harder to climb the further you go up.
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