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On October 05 2010 07:07 Pekkz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:02 Chill wrote:On October 05 2010 06:58 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 05 2010 06:43 Chill wrote:On October 05 2010 05:56 BigT wrote:On October 05 2010 02:34 Chill wrote:On October 04 2010 06:00 YJ_ wrote:
Hey BigT just wondering if your going to co-cast some of the games. I think you should raise your voice when a battle is about to commence, people love that kind of stuff. Also Id like it if TL would feature your tourny games, this is starting to get a little ridiculous! Lets all get offended at BigT`s pottly mouth lol. I keep seeing this argument over and over. The tournament games he casts are featured by default, since he attaches his name to the event and is pulled to the top of the list. His tournament casts deserve to be featured because he puts so much effort into casting huge amounts of games. However, it is my opinion, and the TL staff's opinion, that BigT's stream of him playing isn't high quality enough to be featured. The commentary and gameplay both leave something to be desired. His playing stream does not deserve to be featured. So, the current situation is the best of both worlds. He is autofeatured when he casts an event, and not featured when he streams his own games. The logic is clear. I'm not sure how it's ridiculous at all. Implying that his stream should be permanently featured because of his tournament casting, when a significant amount of time he is streaming himself playing, is actually ridiculous in my eyes. Well since you brought it up, other casters get this luxury... Many featured streamers are only casters and are no where near the top level (not directing this at you). At least I'm a 1400 protoss who beats top players. So I think it's silly that other casters get that luxury and I don't when I put in so much effort, cast so many tournaments, and help out the community in every way that I can. EDIT: PS even though the tournament is on the calender, I still never get a star next to my stream, "featured" on the top of the sc2 page stream list, or a VOD preview on the stream page. So even by saying it's fair the way it is right now, its really no where near the same. You see it as additive: You do good commentary and mediocre (by my opinion) gaming and the result is A + b I see it as averaging. You do good commentary and mediocre gaming and the result is (A + b)/t. Therefore, by my opinion, streaming mediocre play is bringing your quality down rather than raising it. If you disagree, it's just a difference of opinion between what we expect from featured streams. if u were averaging it gunrun wouldnt be featured  Personally, I've never seen glhf.tv stream anything but tournaments. They do, and its not good 
Yupp, and i could name atleast 10 more streamers that are featured, and by your end all "additive streaming formulat" wouldn't even come close to making it lol.
AND since it's just additive, even my "average gameplay" would raise my overall score above those who ONLY cast or ONLY play...
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you misread chill's post im fraid
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Calgary25981 Posts
On October 05 2010 07:38 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:07 Pekkz wrote:On October 05 2010 07:02 Chill wrote:On October 05 2010 06:58 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 05 2010 06:43 Chill wrote:On October 05 2010 05:56 BigT wrote:On October 05 2010 02:34 Chill wrote:On October 04 2010 06:00 YJ_ wrote:
Hey BigT just wondering if your going to co-cast some of the games. I think you should raise your voice when a battle is about to commence, people love that kind of stuff. Also Id like it if TL would feature your tourny games, this is starting to get a little ridiculous! Lets all get offended at BigT`s pottly mouth lol. I keep seeing this argument over and over. The tournament games he casts are featured by default, since he attaches his name to the event and is pulled to the top of the list. His tournament casts deserve to be featured because he puts so much effort into casting huge amounts of games. However, it is my opinion, and the TL staff's opinion, that BigT's stream of him playing isn't high quality enough to be featured. The commentary and gameplay both leave something to be desired. His playing stream does not deserve to be featured. So, the current situation is the best of both worlds. He is autofeatured when he casts an event, and not featured when he streams his own games. The logic is clear. I'm not sure how it's ridiculous at all. Implying that his stream should be permanently featured because of his tournament casting, when a significant amount of time he is streaming himself playing, is actually ridiculous in my eyes. Well since you brought it up, other casters get this luxury... Many featured streamers are only casters and are no where near the top level (not directing this at you). At least I'm a 1400 protoss who beats top players. So I think it's silly that other casters get that luxury and I don't when I put in so much effort, cast so many tournaments, and help out the community in every way that I can. EDIT: PS even though the tournament is on the calender, I still never get a star next to my stream, "featured" on the top of the sc2 page stream list, or a VOD preview on the stream page. So even by saying it's fair the way it is right now, its really no where near the same. You see it as additive: You do good commentary and mediocre (by my opinion) gaming and the result is A + b I see it as averaging. You do good commentary and mediocre gaming and the result is (A + b)/t. Therefore, by my opinion, streaming mediocre play is bringing your quality down rather than raising it. If you disagree, it's just a difference of opinion between what we expect from featured streams. if u were averaging it gunrun wouldnt be featured Personally, I've never seen glhf.tv stream anything but tournaments. They do, and its not good Yupp, and i could name atleast 10 more streamers that are featured, and by your end all "additive streaming formulat" wouldn't even come close to making it lol. AND since it's just additive, even my "average gameplay" would raise my overall score above those who ONLY cast or ONLY play...
Good luck with that.
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On October 05 2010 07:02 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 06:58 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 05 2010 06:43 Chill wrote:On October 05 2010 05:56 BigT wrote:On October 05 2010 02:34 Chill wrote:On October 04 2010 06:00 YJ_ wrote:
Hey BigT just wondering if your going to co-cast some of the games. I think you should raise your voice when a battle is about to commence, people love that kind of stuff. Also Id like it if TL would feature your tourny games, this is starting to get a little ridiculous! Lets all get offended at BigT`s pottly mouth lol. I keep seeing this argument over and over. The tournament games he casts are featured by default, since he attaches his name to the event and is pulled to the top of the list. His tournament casts deserve to be featured because he puts so much effort into casting huge amounts of games. However, it is my opinion, and the TL staff's opinion, that BigT's stream of him playing isn't high quality enough to be featured. The commentary and gameplay both leave something to be desired. His playing stream does not deserve to be featured. So, the current situation is the best of both worlds. He is autofeatured when he casts an event, and not featured when he streams his own games. The logic is clear. I'm not sure how it's ridiculous at all. Implying that his stream should be permanently featured because of his tournament casting, when a significant amount of time he is streaming himself playing, is actually ridiculous in my eyes. Well since you brought it up, other casters get this luxury... Many featured streamers are only casters and are no where near the top level (not directing this at you). At least I'm a 1400 protoss who beats top players. So I think it's silly that other casters get that luxury and I don't when I put in so much effort, cast so many tournaments, and help out the community in every way that I can. EDIT: PS even though the tournament is on the calender, I still never get a star next to my stream, "featured" on the top of the sc2 page stream list, or a VOD preview on the stream page. So even by saying it's fair the way it is right now, its really no where near the same. You see it as additive: You do good commentary and mediocre (by my opinion) gaming and the result is A + b I see it as averaging. You do good commentary and mediocre gaming and the result is (A + b)/t. Therefore, by my opinion, streaming mediocre play is bringing your quality down rather than raising it. If you disagree, it's just a difference of opinion between what we expect from featured streams. if u were averaging it gunrun wouldnt be featured Personally, I've never seen glhf.tv stream anything but tournaments.
they you obviously dont watch team liquid a lot chill.
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Hey T, Welcome back. Hope you had a great time at WCG. Sure have missed your stream this past week. Been desperately trying to find someone I can enjoy watching, but besides the occasional tourney, just hadn't been found anyone to scratch the toss itch that is as good with their viewers.
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On October 05 2010 07:44 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:38 BigT wrote:On October 05 2010 07:07 Pekkz wrote:On October 05 2010 07:02 Chill wrote:On October 05 2010 06:58 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 05 2010 06:43 Chill wrote:On October 05 2010 05:56 BigT wrote:On October 05 2010 02:34 Chill wrote:On October 04 2010 06:00 YJ_ wrote:
Hey BigT just wondering if your going to co-cast some of the games. I think you should raise your voice when a battle is about to commence, people love that kind of stuff. Also Id like it if TL would feature your tourny games, this is starting to get a little ridiculous! Lets all get offended at BigT`s pottly mouth lol. I keep seeing this argument over and over. The tournament games he casts are featured by default, since he attaches his name to the event and is pulled to the top of the list. His tournament casts deserve to be featured because he puts so much effort into casting huge amounts of games. However, it is my opinion, and the TL staff's opinion, that BigT's stream of him playing isn't high quality enough to be featured. The commentary and gameplay both leave something to be desired. His playing stream does not deserve to be featured. So, the current situation is the best of both worlds. He is autofeatured when he casts an event, and not featured when he streams his own games. The logic is clear. I'm not sure how it's ridiculous at all. Implying that his stream should be permanently featured because of his tournament casting, when a significant amount of time he is streaming himself playing, is actually ridiculous in my eyes. Well since you brought it up, other casters get this luxury... Many featured streamers are only casters and are no where near the top level (not directing this at you). At least I'm a 1400 protoss who beats top players. So I think it's silly that other casters get that luxury and I don't when I put in so much effort, cast so many tournaments, and help out the community in every way that I can. EDIT: PS even though the tournament is on the calender, I still never get a star next to my stream, "featured" on the top of the sc2 page stream list, or a VOD preview on the stream page. So even by saying it's fair the way it is right now, its really no where near the same. You see it as additive: You do good commentary and mediocre (by my opinion) gaming and the result is A + b I see it as averaging. You do good commentary and mediocre gaming and the result is (A + b)/t. Therefore, by my opinion, streaming mediocre play is bringing your quality down rather than raising it. If you disagree, it's just a difference of opinion between what we expect from featured streams. if u were averaging it gunrun wouldnt be featured Personally, I've never seen glhf.tv stream anything but tournaments. They do, and its not good Yupp, and i could name atleast 10 more streamers that are featured, and by your end all "additive streaming formulat" wouldn't even come close to making it lol. AND since it's just additive, even my "average gameplay" would raise my overall score above those who ONLY cast or ONLY play... Good luck with that.
i would think that A+ for playing and F for casting (since they dont cast) would bring down the overall score
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FuDDx
United States5008 Posts
I haven't watched Bigt streams yet. I really do not care what happens.Or happened. I have meet Chill and BigT booth were great guys in person. that said...This is Teamliquid and they do what they want arguing over this stuff is silly (from my limited view).
If teamliquid plays favorites like you think....then get with the times no matter where you go or who you are there will always be fan-boys/favoritism. not saying it does or does not exist here but cant we drop it its really not up to anyone other than TL admins period. Trying to argue with admins only makes it look kinda whiny IMO.
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On October 05 2010 07:38 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 07:07 Pekkz wrote:On October 05 2010 07:02 Chill wrote:On October 05 2010 06:58 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 05 2010 06:43 Chill wrote:On October 05 2010 05:56 BigT wrote:On October 05 2010 02:34 Chill wrote:On October 04 2010 06:00 YJ_ wrote:
Hey BigT just wondering if your going to co-cast some of the games. I think you should raise your voice when a battle is about to commence, people love that kind of stuff. Also Id like it if TL would feature your tourny games, this is starting to get a little ridiculous! Lets all get offended at BigT`s pottly mouth lol. I keep seeing this argument over and over. The tournament games he casts are featured by default, since he attaches his name to the event and is pulled to the top of the list. His tournament casts deserve to be featured because he puts so much effort into casting huge amounts of games. However, it is my opinion, and the TL staff's opinion, that BigT's stream of him playing isn't high quality enough to be featured. The commentary and gameplay both leave something to be desired. His playing stream does not deserve to be featured. So, the current situation is the best of both worlds. He is autofeatured when he casts an event, and not featured when he streams his own games. The logic is clear. I'm not sure how it's ridiculous at all. Implying that his stream should be permanently featured because of his tournament casting, when a significant amount of time he is streaming himself playing, is actually ridiculous in my eyes. Well since you brought it up, other casters get this luxury... Many featured streamers are only casters and are no where near the top level (not directing this at you). At least I'm a 1400 protoss who beats top players. So I think it's silly that other casters get that luxury and I don't when I put in so much effort, cast so many tournaments, and help out the community in every way that I can. EDIT: PS even though the tournament is on the calender, I still never get a star next to my stream, "featured" on the top of the sc2 page stream list, or a VOD preview on the stream page. So even by saying it's fair the way it is right now, its really no where near the same. You see it as additive: You do good commentary and mediocre (by my opinion) gaming and the result is A + b I see it as averaging. You do good commentary and mediocre gaming and the result is (A + b)/t. Therefore, by my opinion, streaming mediocre play is bringing your quality down rather than raising it. If you disagree, it's just a difference of opinion between what we expect from featured streams. if u were averaging it gunrun wouldnt be featured Personally, I've never seen glhf.tv stream anything but tournaments. They do, and its not good Yupp, and i could name atleast 10 more streamers that are featured, and by your end all "additive streaming formulat" wouldn't even come close to making it lol. AND since it's just additive, even my "average gameplay" would raise my overall score above those who ONLY cast or ONLY play...
It is precisely this mentality you have where you would rather delude yourself with fake logic rather than thinking that makes your casting very often misinformed. Your knack for making things up to sound like you understand is great for fooling the new players and yourself, but if you stopped to compare yourself, for one second, to any of the featured streams you would probably see that your stream leaves a lot to be desired.
Chill at least thinks that you do good commentary, which is more of a compliment than I would give.
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On October 05 2010 08:05 FuDDx wrote:
I haven't watched Bigt streams yet. I really do not care what happens.Or happened. I have meet Chill and BigT booth were great guys in person. that said...This is Teamliquid and they do what they want arguing over this stuff is silly (from my limited view).
If teamliquid plays favorites like you think....then get with the times no matter where you go or who you are there will always be fan-boys/favoritism. not saying it does or does not exist here but cant we drop it its really not up to anyone other than TL admins period. Trying to argue with admins only makes it look kinda whiny IMO.
Yo fudd, never got a balloon animal like promised >B(
And your right, but surprisingly its the admins who keep bringing it up, not me lol.
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On October 05 2010 07:11 YJ_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 06:43 Chill wrote:On October 05 2010 05:56 BigT wrote:On October 05 2010 02:34 Chill wrote:On October 04 2010 06:00 YJ_ wrote:
Hey BigT just wondering if your going to co-cast some of the games. I think you should raise your voice when a battle is about to commence, people love that kind of stuff. Also Id like it if TL would feature your tourny games, this is starting to get a little ridiculous! Lets all get offended at BigT`s pottly mouth lol. I keep seeing this argument over and over. The tournament games he casts are featured by default, since he attaches his name to the event and is pulled to the top of the list. His tournament casts deserve to be featured because he puts so much effort into casting huge amounts of games. However, it is my opinion, and the TL staff's opinion, that BigT's stream of him playing isn't high quality enough to be featured. The commentary and gameplay both leave something to be desired. His playing stream does not deserve to be featured. So, the current situation is the best of both worlds. He is autofeatured when he casts an event, and not featured when he streams his own games. The logic is clear. I'm not sure how it's ridiculous at all. Implying that his stream should be permanently featured because of his tournament casting, when a significant amount of time he is streaming himself playing, is actually ridiculous in my eyes. Well since you brought it up, other casters get this luxury... Many featured streamers are only casters and are no where near the top level (not directing this at you). At least I'm a 1400 protoss who beats top players. So I think it's silly that other casters get that luxury and I don't when I put in so much effort, cast so many tournaments, and help out the community in every way that I can. EDIT: PS even though the tournament is on the calender, I still never get a star next to my stream, "featured" on the top of the sc2 page stream list, or a VOD preview on the stream page. So even by saying it's fair the way it is right now, its really no where near the same. You see it as additive: You do good commentary and mediocre (by my opinion) gaming and the result is A + b I see it as averaging. You do good commentary and mediocre gaming and the result is (A + b)/t. Therefore, by my opinion, streaming mediocre play is bringing your quality down rather than raising it. If you disagree, it's just a difference of opinion between what we expect from featured streams. Nobody is saying BigT is a top player, but take into consideration he is playing in one of the toughest US divistions. HuK is no1 I think LZ is in the same div, with some other top players. When BigT was in the beta he was constantly no1. He aint a mediocre player, hes in the top 10%, thats not mediocre. Maybe a platinum player could be considered that. Let me ask this question, are the players he plays on ladder mediocre? I dont know what happened to his streams, they were top quality in the beta. At least they dont freeze every 5 seconds anymore. BigT you could use a rub from some of the more respected commentators in SC2, I recommend co-casting with some of the top guys! I was watching some commentary from live streams on Sunday, ( dont want to mention any names ) but the commentary was so bad I couldnt watch it after 10 mins. There goes your quality for featured streams. TL your RTS elitest additude died about 5 years ago, get with the times or your going to get left in the dust when it comes to E-sports.
What does being in a tough division have to do with anything? Division impacts absolutely nothing other than your rank, which nobody with even a vague understanding of the ladder system uses as a criteria for skill. He still plays people outside of his division.
That said, I don't think BigT should be featured, he's not that good. I don't think orb should be featured either, but to unfeature him now probably won't lead to anything positive.
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GLHF.TV is a featured stream because they have the highest quality stream around, have put in tons of work into the community and offered their help streaming and restreaming for major showmatches and tournaments. Not only that but they have helped countless other streamers with their settings in order to allow them to have 5000+ viewers for a show, look at day9 and djwheat, the people who stream for thousands go to gunrun for help on their stream.
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On October 05 2010 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote:
GLHF.TV is a featured stream because they have the highest quality stream around, have put in tons of work into the community and offered their help streaming and restreaming for major showmatches and tournaments. Not only that but they have helped countless other streamers with their settings in order to allow them to have 5000+ viewers for a show, look at day9 and djwheat, the people who stream for thousands go to gunrun for help on their stream.
Yeah, i agree 100% with this. EVEN if they sometimes play and aren't that good, that shouldn't have an impact on whether or not they are featured. The same should then hold true for me as well.
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On October 05 2010 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote:
GLHF.TV is a featured stream because they have the highest quality stream around, have put in tons of work into the community and offered their help streaming and restreaming for major showmatches and tournaments. Not only that but they have helped countless other streamers with their settings in order to allow them to have 5000+ viewers for a show, look at day9 and djwheat, the people who stream for thousands go to gunrun for help on their stream.
the arguement isnt whether glhf.tv is deserved of that honor, its that i just think chills "formula" isnt anywhere close to reality.
You can justify it any way you want but when push comes to shove streaming is a popularity contest(amongst viewers and moderators alike).
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hey Chris! why bother being featured atm? just play and improve and you will get there bud.
ur being featured when u stream tours? or its atleast easy to see ur stream, its just a star
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On October 05 2010 08:52 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote:
GLHF.TV is a featured stream because they have the highest quality stream around, have put in tons of work into the community and offered their help streaming and restreaming for major showmatches and tournaments. Not only that but they have helped countless other streamers with their settings in order to allow them to have 5000+ viewers for a show, look at day9 and djwheat, the people who stream for thousands go to gunrun for help on their stream. Yeah, i agree 100% with this. EVEN if they sometimes play and aren't that good, that shouldn't have an impact on whether or not they are featured. The same should then hold true for me as well.
But one doesn't weigh as much as another. I think chill's saying your level of play doesn't, along with your other attributes, add up enough to be a featured streamer, whereas gunruns ability to help out the community does outweigh his gameplay (not like he ever streams himself playing sc2 much)
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I think the best bet to getting featured is to put up the best damn content you can and not talk about being featured at all. Your fans can help out by watching your stuff whenever it's on and remaining equally lax on the subject.
Good luck.
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On October 05 2010 09:10 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote:
GLHF.TV is a featured stream because they have the highest quality stream around, have put in tons of work into the community and offered their help streaming and restreaming for major showmatches and tournaments. Not only that but they have helped countless other streamers with their settings in order to allow them to have 5000+ viewers for a show, look at day9 and djwheat, the people who stream for thousands go to gunrun for help on their stream. the arguement isnt whether glhf.tv is deserved of that honor, its that i just think chills "formula" isnt anywhere close to reality. You can justify it any way you want but when push comes to shove streaming is a popularity contest(amongst viewers and moderators alike).
Agree 110% but chill wont ever admit that.
On October 05 2010 09:26 ZlaSHeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2010 08:52 BigT wrote:On October 05 2010 08:50 ZlaSHeR wrote:
GLHF.TV is a featured stream because they have the highest quality stream around, have put in tons of work into the community and offered their help streaming and restreaming for major showmatches and tournaments. Not only that but they have helped countless other streamers with their settings in order to allow them to have 5000+ viewers for a show, look at day9 and djwheat, the people who stream for thousands go to gunrun for help on their stream. Yeah, i agree 100% with this. EVEN if they sometimes play and aren't that good, that shouldn't have an impact on whether or not they are featured. The same should then hold true for me as well. But one doesn't weigh as much as another. I think chill's saying your level of play doesn't, along with your other attributes, add up enough to be a featured streamer, whereas gunruns ability to help out the community does outweigh his gameplay (not like he ever streams himself playing sc2 much)
So, as long as i stop streaming my ladder games i should be featured then! :D
On October 05 2010 09:26 SiGurD wrote:hey Chris! why bother being featured atm? just play and improve and you will get there bud. ur being featured when u stream tours? or its atleast easy to see ur stream, its just a star
No where near the same thing.
On October 05 2010 09:41 urashimakt wrote:
I think the best bet to getting featured is to put up the best damn content you can and not talk about being featured at all. Your fans can help out by watching your stuff whenever it's on and remaining equally lax on the subject.
Good luck.
I have stopped bothering, trying, or bringing it up, it's not even worth the effort at this point because I know its impossible (not just mathematically lol). But when someone brings it up and says some ridiculous statements, I will say my opinion about it.
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FuDDx
United States5008 Posts
I know I know I missed getting so many people balloons.It was a whirlwind.I forgot to do the super hero wands staffs for he wcg admins though they never did remind me, forgot that until today.I also owe you ,the AG guys.Also I need to make Inka a Phoenix (bastard lol jk) And I am sure many others. I keep thinking of making you a Version of you just Mr. T ish hahahah. I will make you something it may be that you wont get to actually get it but Ill photo it and send it to you ^_^.
Was a pleasure meeting you and having you commentate my Asphalt 5 games!!!!
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On October 05 2010 09:49 FuDDx wrote:
I know I know I missed getting so many people balloons.It was a whirlwind.I forgot to do the super hero wands staffs for he wcg admins though they never did remind me, forgot that until today.I also owe you ,the AG guys.Also I need to make Inka a Phoenix (bastard lol jk) And I am sure many others. I keep thinking of making you a Version of you just Mr. T ish hahahah. I will make you something it may be that you wont get to actually get it but Ill photo it and send it to you ^_^.
Was a pleasure meeting you and having you commentate my Asphalt 5 games!!!!
ROFL... A Big T balloon animal... that would be epic! Are you going to MLG?? I'll probably be there ^^*
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@ chill
You prob shouldn't let your personal opinion decide who gets featured or not. Your not here to play favorites to be honest, your hear to expand E-sports and to help others enjoy it as well. You let your personal opinion decide weather or not BigT is featured or not. In my opion BigT has Great stream quality(one of the best), Awesome commentary, Great game play(talks about why or why he didn't do something, and discusses his BO) this i never see with half the featured streamer, and Bigt is one of the few that will sit and talk with the viewers. Heck none of the featured streamers talk with their viewers as much as BigT does(excluding Day9).
But again this is my opinion and shouldn't lead to him being featured.
What you should look at is Does BigT bring in viewers? Which he does, and i have notice that BigT has more viewers then most of the featured streamers that you have made featured. This is about expanding E-sports not deciding who is your best friend and who you do not like personally.
But again this is just me talking and hoping E-sports get big in NA. But it gets hard when people let their personal opinion speak for them.
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