I don't understand the hate. It's like me hating a movie but watching it anyway so I can complain about it later...No one is making you watch so feel free not to if you don't enjoy it. Wait for the replays sometime after the tournament and watch the games that way if you want. I don't get why anyone would voluntarily do something they don't enjoy, it makes no sense at all.
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
I don't understand the hate. It's like me hating a movie but watching it anyway so I can complain about it later...No one is making you watch so feel free not to if you don't enjoy it. Wait for the replays sometime after the tournament and watch the games that way if you want. I don't get why anyone would voluntarily do something they don't enjoy, it makes no sense at all. | ||
Lzuruha.FantaSy
United States59 Posts
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BigT
United States304 Posts
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ThePrince
Peru331 Posts
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Socke
Germany451 Posts
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Monkofdoom
United Kingdom18 Posts
On October 03 2010 17:08 ThePrince wrote: YOU DO realize that many of the NA matches are scheduled precisely at the same dates that IEM American Championships is scheduled, right? And several of the NA players will be attending the IEM so... it seems there is a schedule conflict here?? The matches are played out before and the replays are casted. It's perfectly fine. | ||
ThePrince
Peru331 Posts
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YJ_
Canada36 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On October 04 2010 06:00 YJ_ wrote: Hey BigT just wondering if your going to co-cast some of the games. I think you should raise your voice when a battle is about to commence, people love that kind of stuff. Also Id like it if TL would feature your tourny games, this is starting to get a little ridiculous! Lets all get offended at BigT`s pottly mouth lol. I keep seeing this argument over and over. The tournament games he casts are featured by default, since he attaches his name to the event and is pulled to the top of the list. His tournament casts deserve to be featured because he puts so much effort into casting huge amounts of games. However, it is my opinion, and the TL staff's opinion, that BigT's stream of him playing isn't high quality enough to be featured. The commentary and gameplay both leave something to be desired. His playing stream does not deserve to be featured. So, the current situation is the best of both worlds. He is autofeatured when he casts an event, and not featured when he streams his own games. The logic is clear. I'm not sure how it's ridiculous at all. Implying that his stream should be permanently featured because of his tournament casting, when a significant amount of time he is streaming himself playing, is actually ridiculous in my eyes. | ||
Alou
United States3748 Posts
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BigT
United States304 Posts
On October 05 2010 02:34 Chill wrote: I keep seeing this argument over and over. The tournament games he casts are featured by default, since he attaches his name to the event and is pulled to the top of the list. His tournament casts deserve to be featured because he puts so much effort into casting huge amounts of games. However, it is my opinion, and the TL staff's opinion, that BigT's stream of him playing isn't high quality enough to be featured. The commentary and gameplay both leave something to be desired. His playing stream does not deserve to be featured. So, the current situation is the best of both worlds. He is autofeatured when he casts an event, and not featured when he streams his own games. The logic is clear. I'm not sure how it's ridiculous at all. Implying that his stream should be permanently featured because of his tournament casting, when a significant amount of time he is streaming himself playing, is actually ridiculous in my eyes. Well since you brought it up, other casters get this luxury... Many featured streamers are only casters and are no where near the top level (not directing this at you). At least I'm a 1400 protoss who beats top players. So I think it's silly that other casters get that luxury and I don't when I put in so much effort, cast so many tournaments, and help out the community in every way that I can. EDIT: PS even though the tournament is on the calender, I still never get a star next to my stream, "featured" on the top of the sc2 page stream list, or a VOD preview on the stream page. So even by saying it's fair the way it is right now, its really no where near the same. | ||
MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On October 05 2010 02:34 Chill wrote: I keep seeing this argument over and over. The tournament games he casts are featured by default, since he attaches his name to the event and is pulled to the top of the list. His tournament casts deserve to be featured because he puts so much effort into casting huge amounts of games. However, it is my opinion, and the TL staff's opinion, that BigT's stream of him playing isn't high quality enough to be featured. The commentary and gameplay both leave something to be desired. His playing stream does not deserve to be featured. So, the current situation is the best of both worlds. He is autofeatured when he casts an event, and not featured when he streams his own games. The logic is clear. I'm not sure how it's ridiculous at all. Implying that his stream should be permanently featured because of his tournament casting, when a significant amount of time he is streaming himself playing, is actually ridiculous in my eyes. but when we were talking about orb shouldnt deserve to be streamed cause many thought he was a bad player, but then u said he is featured because he has alot of viewers imo a laddering player whos streaming with high quality and talking meanwhile, and such a big name as bigt (lol just got the pun in my own sentence here after reading it, im so clever i dont even know about it xd) should be featured even if hes not a great player. thats like me starting to play zerg and stream you would autofeature me even tho my zerg sucks, but because im a "famous" player and brings in viewers u would let me be featured. this goes for orb and everyone ive seen on the features, so why shouldnt this apply to bigt aswell? (im not gonna start stream me as a zerg, it was just an example) ive seen esl main streams play luls games while being featured when they were playing themselves, and let me say they were nowhere near 1.4k. but it had alot of viewers and ppl had alot of fun so they are featured because of their casting, and they can stay featured while having fun aswell because it would be quite harsh to unfeature official esl streams just because they ladder once in a while while streaming... while | ||
BigT
United States304 Posts
On October 05 2010 02:39 Alou wrote: Really excited for the the next games. Hoping HuK and Dimaga perform well ![]() SAME MAN!! I haven't seen the replays yet so I'm fucking pumped :D On October 05 2010 06:07 MorroW wrote: but when we were talking about orb shouldnt deserve to be streamed cause many thought he was a bad player, but then u said he is featured because he has alot of viewers imo a laddering player whos streaming with high quality and talking meanwhile, and such a big name as bigt (lol just got the pun in my own sentence here after reading it, im so clever i dont even know about it xd) should be featured even if hes not a great player. thats like me starting to play zerg and stream you would autofeature me even tho my zerg sucks, but because im a "famous" player and brings in viewers u would let me be featured. this goes for orb and everyone ive seen on the features, so why shouldnt this apply to bigt aswell? (im not gonna start stream me as a zerg, it was just an example) ive seen esl main streams play luls games while being featured when they were playing themselves, and let me say they were nowhere near 1.4k. but it had alot of viewers and ppl had alot of fun so they are featured because of their casting, and they can stay featured while having fun aswell because it would be quite harsh to unfeature official esl streams just because they ladder once in a while while streaming... while I agree with all of this. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On October 05 2010 05:56 BigT wrote: Well since you brought it up, other casters get this luxury... Many featured streamers are only casters and are no where near the top level (not directing this at you). At least I'm a 1400 protoss who beats top players. So I think it's silly that other casters get that luxury and I don't when I put in so much effort, cast so many tournaments, and help out the community in every way that I can. EDIT: PS even though the tournament is on the calender, I still never get a star next to my stream, "featured" on the top of the sc2 page stream list, or a VOD preview on the stream page. So even by saying it's fair the way it is right now, its really no where near the same. You see it as additive: You do good commentary and mediocre (by my opinion) gaming and the result is A + b I see it as averaging. You do good commentary and mediocre gaming and the result is (A + b)/t. Therefore, by my opinion, streaming mediocre play is bringing your quality down rather than raising it. If you disagree, it's just a difference of opinion between what we expect from featured streams. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On October 05 2010 06:07 MorroW wrote: but when we were talking about orb shouldnt deserve to be streamed cause many thought he was a bad player, but then u said he is featured because he has alot of viewers Go ahead and cite me saying that Morrow. Let me get you started: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=orb viewers&t=c&f=-1&u=chill&gb=date imo a laddering player whos streaming with high quality and talking meanwhile, and such a big name as bigt (lol just got the pun in my own sentence here after reading it, im so clever i dont even know about it xd) should be featured even if hes not a great player. thats like me starting to play zerg and stream you would autofeature me even tho my zerg sucks, but because im a "famous" player and brings in viewers u would let me be featured. this goes for orb and everyone ive seen on the features, so why shouldnt this apply to bigt aswell? (im not gonna start stream me as a zerg, it was just an example) Your Zerg stream would be auto-feature because you are one of the top foreigner players playing a new race - that's interesting. If you were doing mediocre casting on top of your Zerg streaming, well then we would have to reconsider your streaming status. | ||
Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On October 05 2010 06:43 Chill wrote: You see it as additive: You do good commentary and mediocre (by my opinion) gaming and the result is A + b I see it as averaging. You do good commentary and mediocre gaming and the result is (A + b)/t. Therefore, by my opinion, streaming mediocre play is bringing your quality down rather than raising it. If you disagree, it's just a difference of opinion between what we expect from featured streams. if u were averaging it gunrun wouldnt be featured ![]() | ||
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Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On October 05 2010 06:58 Sfydjklm wrote: if u were averaging it gunrun wouldnt be featured ![]() Personally, I've never seen glhf.tv stream anything but tournaments. | ||
Pekkz
Norway1505 Posts
On October 05 2010 07:02 Chill wrote: Personally, I've never seen glhf.tv stream anything but tournaments. They do, and its not good ![]() | ||
YJ_
Canada36 Posts
On October 05 2010 06:43 Chill wrote: You see it as additive: You do good commentary and mediocre (by my opinion) gaming and the result is A + b I see it as averaging. You do good commentary and mediocre gaming and the result is (A + b)/t. Therefore, by my opinion, streaming mediocre play is bringing your quality down rather than raising it. If you disagree, it's just a difference of opinion between what we expect from featured streams. Nobody is saying BigT is a top player, but take into consideration he is playing in one of the toughest US divistions. HuK is no1 I think LZ is in the same div, with some other top players. When BigT was in the beta he was constantly no1. He aint a mediocre player, hes in the top 10%, thats not mediocre. Maybe a platinum player could be considered that. Let me ask this question, are the players he plays on ladder mediocre? I dont know what happened to his streams, they were top quality in the beta. At least they dont freeze every 5 seconds anymore. BigT you could use a rub from some of the more respected commentators in SC2, I recommend co-casting with some of the top guys! I was watching some commentary from live streams on Sunday, ( dont want to mention any names ) but the commentary was so bad I couldnt watch it after 10 mins. There goes your quality for featured streams. TL your RTS elitest additude died about 5 years ago, get with the times or your going to get left in the dust when it comes to E-sports. | ||
QkDown
United States214 Posts
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