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Cragfire
Profile Joined April 2010
United States34 Posts
October 12 2010 15:15 GMT
#241
Somehow I doubt that Blizzard is able to tell the difference between macros created by licensed blizzard products vs. 3rd party hardware with macro capability. If blizzard detects the use of a macro, how can they tell if the macro is from a licensed product or 3rd party hardware? Curious...
Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
October 12 2010 15:21 GMT
#242
LOVE LOVE LOVE Blizzard for this!

Macros are cheating.
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jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
October 12 2010 15:26 GMT
#243
man

i have the logitech g110

good thing, i have no clue how to create macros on it! hehehe >=D

i just got it because it had cool backlighting and was the cheapest of the logitech gaming keyboards.
PTZ.
Profile Joined September 2010
72 Posts
October 12 2010 15:34 GMT
#244
Sounds good to me. You have to realize that Blizzard either needs to ban ALL 3rd party or go into extensive debates with every person about his/her 3rd party stuff of choice. Debating with everyone who chooses to go 3rd party stuff is definitely a waste of time and resources for Blizzard. Follow the Eula, play legit and you'll be fine.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
October 12 2010 15:42 GMT
#245
On August 24 2010 04:00 SOCOMICEPICK wrote:
AND I WAS JUST PROMOTED INTO PLATINUM!!! I HAD A 82-45 w/l ratio

I think he is lying.

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cyprin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1105 Posts
October 12 2010 15:53 GMT
#246
Blizzard has always banned for macros. If you can do more than one action per key press they won't approve.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
October 12 2010 16:02 GMT
#247
well done i agree it s ban worthy
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Gezz
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom81 Posts
October 12 2010 16:16 GMT
#248
Any chance they could be mass banning for this? I used to use macro's on my keyboard when i was new to the game to basically build all my stuff but stopped using them a couple of weeks ago (not because i figured they were cheating lol, but actually because they became a hinderance). This has got me worried now.
Gourmand
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada101 Posts
October 12 2010 16:24 GMT
#249
I've use my G11 special keys and other like 7-8-9-0 just because they are closer for my hand. So no macro for doing multiple keys and what not. But i guess i'll stop...


I don't mind banning for stuff like this or that ban for people hacking single players. But i really wish Blizzard made it clear to every of what can ban you. Because i wouldn't have guess that macro keyboard and hacking the single player would get your account banned.
bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
October 16 2010 01:43 GMT
#250
The fact is, macros are a grey area, period. No Blizzard representative has ever come out and clearly delineated what is and isn't a legal macro for SC2, only going so far as saying "well, you could be banned for using macros" to help curb the proliferation of intricate macro usage that mirrors botting behaviour.

When Blizzard stamps their name and the logo of Starcraft II on a keyboard that promotes macros, a keyboard that even labels specific keys for race-specific macros, that only muddies the macro waters further.

http://steelseries.com/products/games/starcraft-ii/steelseries-zboard-limited-edition-starcraft-ii#header

I suspect that Blizzard keeps mum about what they'll specifically ban people for because they want to limit the number of legal suits against them, and by keeping the waters muddied most people will steer clear of what is otherwise perfectly legal.

I would think their efforts are spent mostly on the hacks that most threaten battle.net's credibility, these being cheats that grant you vision, make units build faster, etc. A utility by Logitech/Razer/Microsoft/Steelseries that lets you record a sequence of keystrokes so one keystroke == add selected units to a control group, doubtful.

However, Blizzard hasn't stated decisively one way or the other on it, have they? But when you have Razer plastering their logo alongside Blizzard's at events like GSL, I doubt using products that Blizzard has blessed, implicitly or otherwise, will get you banned.

TL:DR - Blizzard is calling our bluff, betting that not enough rich kids have parent litigious enough to cost them more than they are making off branding macro-friendly game peripherals. Use common sense and limit your macros to duplicating several keys at most unless you are gunning for a legal showdown with Blizzard/Activision. If so, do up a macro that does the first 4 minutes of your build order lol.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
October 16 2010 01:47 GMT
#251
If you press 1 key, it needs to only issue 1 key worth of action. Anything more than that is downright cheating. Blizzard endorsed keyboards that let you bind certain keys to other buttons is not the same thing as sets of commands.
bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 02:08:52
October 16 2010 02:04 GMT
#252
On October 16 2010 10:47 Mohdoo wrote:
If you press 1 key, it needs to only issue 1 key worth of action. Anything more than that is downright cheating. Blizzard endorsed keyboards that let you bind certain keys to other buttons is not the same thing as sets of commands.


If there's a quote saying that in any TERMS OF AGREEMENT for said product, then legally yes you are right. Otherwise failure to disclose any limitations of use of product is liable to litigation.

So basically if Blizzard puts it's name on a keyboard that allows you to assign 20000 actions to a single keypress, but doesn't say doing something retarded like this will ban you from battle.net, they expose themselves to a legal liability.

That's all I'm saying. Blizzard seems inclined to make $$$ off putting their name on product, while remaining purposefully obtuse about what exactly constitutes cheating. The common reference on these forums is "a 1:1 key rebind is ok" as you mentioned, but no one ever quotes a definitive Blizzard source saying so, as you also failed to do.

The battle.net EULA states the following:

Additional License Limitations.
The license granted to you in Section 1 is subject to the limitations set forth in Sections 1 and 2 (collectively, the "License Limitations"). Any use of the Service or any Game in violation of the License Limitations will be regarded as an infringement of Blizzard's copyrights in and to the Service and/or Game. You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:

[a] 1. use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software designed to modify the Service, any Game or any Game experience;[/b]

Where does rebinding X number of keys to just one key fit in the above limitation? What exactly is "automation"? What are the authorized 3rd-party software? See? We're all just guessing here.

Basically, enjoy the freaking game. If you want to use a G110, Blackwidow, Naga, G500, et al, to make your life in SC2 a little easier, go for it. Blizzard very likely considers you not worth their trouble.

If you want to use a G110, Blackwidow, Naga or G500 to automate a build order, spam garbage to your opponent to distract him, etc, then yeah you're probably gunning for a ban.

In either case Blizzard doesn't consider you a likely cause to increase their legal expense. More probable are Chinese counterfeiters pimping Blizzard/SC2 logos.
I'm the benevolent dictator you've been looking for.
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 02:07:27
October 16 2010 02:06 GMT
#253
Wait, so if you use their keyboard and do the exact same thing you won't get banned? Are you sure that's what they meant?
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 02:14:47
October 16 2010 02:08 GMT
#254
People with no idea what a macro is should not post like they do.

A macro is simply a command. You can activate the command by binding the macro to a key. The command can be an instruction, so when it's activated, several other actions are carried out. The command can also be a single action. When it's a single action, it can also be called simply a key bind or just bind, but it is less commonly used because it is very informal.

So there are two macros, multiple action, and single action. Stop treating it like macros only allow multiple actions.

Blizzard has stated its rule. 1 key = 1 action. It was in their F.A.Q. about macros that I cannot find. Macros do not break this rule, unless you think macros simply mean multiple actions.

Players set up macros to do multiple things at once. They can easily set up a macro to do one thing. It would be useless however.

Bottom line. Macros do NOT ALWAYS perform multiple actions. They can perform a single action, which is what I believe Blizzard endorses.


This supports my claim, but is not the one I mentioned

*Note: Any macro used to automate game play is strictly prohibited.

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http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=20422&pageNumber=1&searchQuery=macro
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SilentCrono
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1420 Posts
October 16 2010 02:12 GMT
#255
"AND I WAS JUST PROMOTED INTO PLATINUM!!!"

lmao

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gundream
Profile Joined April 2010
United States229 Posts
October 16 2010 02:13 GMT
#256
support blizzards position on macro keys! go blizzard!

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bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
October 16 2010 02:15 GMT
#257
On October 16 2010 11:06 .Aar wrote:
Wait, so if you use their keyboard and do the exact same thing you won't get banned? Are you sure that's what they meant?


I never implied such a thing. If you use "their" keyboard, I would imagine you're just as likely to get hit with the banstick as with any other keyboard that supports macros.

The overall point is: "BLIZZARD IS PURPOSEFULLY VAGUE" about what constitutes a ban, because any attempt to delineate what is and isn't ban-worthy would expose Blizzard/Activision to legal action from parties that would purport not to have contravened whatever line Blizzard chose to draw in the sand. So, sensibly, Blizzard chooses to draw no such line.
I'm the benevolent dictator you've been looking for.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
October 16 2010 02:16 GMT
#258
What's the minimum Sleep action required before they claim it's a macro?
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bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
October 16 2010 02:21 GMT
#259
114ms, though I won't cite any source.

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LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
October 16 2010 02:21 GMT
#260
I wish I seen this thread sooner.

Best line is:

AND I WAS JUST PROMOTED INTO PLATINUM!!! I HAD A 82-45 w/l ratio



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