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On May 28 2004 16:25 Tien wrote:
Again, Ali doesnt know how to kick at all, and he doesnt know what its like to be kick, or how to defend vs a kick. Bruce Lee instructed Joe Lewis, the man voted the greatest fighter on earth, the man that won entire competitions using ONLY his powerful sidekick, the same sidekick Bruce Lee was showing him how to perform flawlessly. No one can doubt the power of Bruce Lee's sidekick that is known to break apart countless of punching bags. He sent a 100 pound punching bag to the ceiling, I dont think Ali could do that with his jabs.
Bruce was just as fast, if not FASTER than Ali. Bruce Lee even spent HOURS watching and mimmicking Ali's footwork and speed with outstanding success. Bruce Lee knows EXACTLY how fight Ali. The use of lighting quick and powerful kicks is not something Ali is used to receiving.
Lee really studied Ali? Cool :D
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I WILL LET BRUCE LEE GIVE YOU A DIRECT QUOTE FROM HIM:
To reach me you have to move to me first. Your attack offers me a chance to intercept it. In this case I am using my side kick against the nearest target your knee cap. It's just like a left jab in boxing but much more damaging.
What you have to understand is that Bruce was very flexible and adaptible to the 4 ranges of fighting and could move in and out of them with grace and ease. Kicking, hitting, trapping, grappling.
Be like water my friend...............
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wow, Lee sure is ripped
edit: and on the subject, I dont know but I think Ali has the better chanses.. I mean, if someone with incredible martial art knowledge but with Lee's size would for example compete in K 1 or something similar I dont think he would win man/any fights at all.. If Ali got one punch in it would pretty much be game over. 
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I think they both would go having a drink
and some chicks (no kicks) instead of beating each other up 
So we got two Winners
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hmm, i'd say with their existing skill sets Lee has a better chance of winning. coz the power of a punch can never matches the power of a kick. Good kicks are always devastating to people who dont know how to counter. A single nasty kick (not necessarily in the nuts can fell an average adult like a chopstick and send him to bed for a week.
However if the opponent knows how to counter then kicking becomes a risky move then one will not use it very often or use it with unreserved power. so if Ali spends some time learning kick counters he'll win. It's an unfair matchup: heavy weight vs light weight.
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well...he floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee but..he might just get one sting before he loses plus i like more jackie chan vs bruce lee teacher vs student ~_~
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I'm not going to comment here, but I have two comments.
FrozenArbiter, asian men are very modest. Ask nada if he thinks he has the best tvp in the world, and he'll deny it. They are very modest about what they do, so I feel that it may have been closer than he would have led on.
Second, I was wondering if anyone had any fights of Bruce Lee (like not in movies, real ones) that they could link me to. I'm sure other TLidians are interested as well, so thanks in advance ^^
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white ppl r dumb, all they know is about size, size does not matter when it comes to martial arts. the bigger u r the harder u fall. ali is too slow, speed>strength. use ur brain dumb ass crackers
[EDIT: Try to be nice. Thx. - mensrea]
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On May 28 2004 19:31 Niza wrote:
white ppl r dumb, all they know is about size, size does not matter when it comes to martial arts. the bigger u r the harder u fall. ali is too slow, speed>strength. use ur brain dumb ass crackers
[EDIT: Try to be nice. Thx. - mensrea]
^^, heh I have to agree altho it was stated rather bluntly.
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I'm very sorry but you guys are living in a fantasy world. Lee punching from close range and sending a man flying 15 feet? That is impossible even if the person weighed 50 lbs. Lee throwing sand up and catching all the grains with chopsticks? Laughable. Think about those situations and you'll soon see them to be impossible.
Lee is not a god, he is only a man. A very skilled and talented man but still a man. You guys watch too many movies.
Ali has weight, strength and size over him. A 140 lb man cannot beat the greatest heavyweight fighter of all time. Get real.
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shut up..... bruce lee would go super mario on ali's ass. stomp stmop dead goomba
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Hell no, they [large muscle bound men] get worn out way faster and are slow, someone like Lee would have WAY better stamina Obviously you have never seen Ali fight.
Thats what made Ali so good, he was huge, AND fast, it was unbelievable.
Anyhow, you all talk about kicking kneecaps and nuts and what not. And sure anything like that would have devastating affects on your attacker, but you think bruce lee had much experience in actually doing this? The difference between ali and lee was just that, experience. Ali fought for a living, lee was a movie star.
And whoever said a kick is more powerful than a punch has no idea what theyre talking about. Just because the leg muscles are larger does not make it more effective. Kicking is for one purpose only, distance. Being able to attack further away. A solid punch generates much more pounds per square inch of force and torque potential than a kick by an entire combination of physics. Everything from having 2 feet planted firmly on the ground allowing you to sink your body weight into it, to the brutal impact of knuckles, to the circular rotation of the shoulder allowing you to hook (worst punch to be hit with), etc etc etc.
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i cant believe how many people can so easily pass off a foot height and 80 pound weight advantage
a single punch from ali and bruce lee's head would explode, ali fists are fast enough that bruce wouldn't be able to dodge enough in time to actually get some attacks in of his own
but yeah, maybe if this was a street fight, and ali was blindfolded, and in a coma, then bruce lee might win
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It's interesting that there's so much discussion of physics in this debate. I think, however, the best case to be made for Bruce Lee is technique. Now, to be honest, I'm not particularly read up on either, so I can't definitely argue one way or the other, however, for those who are, I'd like to make a point about Bruce Lee which I think has been omitted so far: there is much more to a fight than physics.
For instance, there has been a lot of valid points made about distance, force, etc. But that's hardly what fighting is about. I mean, the argument so far has been that Ali was bigger. But, not to be stereotypical, it seems that that is a very Western response. If you ask anybody from the East to size up two guys, I'm not so sure they'd be so quick to identify the bigger guy as winning.
Eastern martial arts focus a lot on not simply physical conditioning, but also techniques, philosophy, aesthetics--none of which many of you will see any value in, but in fact decides a great deal. For instance, the Japanese art of Aikido, you are using the other person's force against them, right? Ali throws one giant punch at Lee, Lee takes that directional momentum and adds onto it by throwing him in the same direction and you Ali planted in the ground.
Maybe not so simple, but I suppose I'm saying, fighting isn't always --> <--. It's not always a duality. Sometimes by manipulating to be --> --> you can force one side to an extreme, throwing them off balance, etc.
For an easy to comprehend metaphor, it's like playing a BGH player. All he does is mass and send units right? Whereas you're microing, you're harassing, etc. It's very similar.
If this still isn't convincing enough, if you take a look at the UFC, there's a guy there called Tank, and basically he's just this huge guy who doesn't have any formal training but he just fights a lot. Well, there are matches where he's pitted against smaller guys and they just tear him up because they know what to do. Of course, that's much exaggerated because Tank is fat, slow, whereas Ali is slim, fast. But then again, his opponents are no Bruce Lee either.
-ksm
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