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On May 30 2004 16:36 taeWook wrote: Show nested quote +On May 30 2004 16:32 RuGbUg wrote:
for those who haven't seen the video of bruce lee sending the bag flying into the ceiling, it's really not that impressive. he goes running across the room, takes a few hops, and does a slip-side kick with his body almost parallel to the ground (like hes really leaned back) I don't think i could do it, but it's really not what I bet most of you are picturing, it looks super awkward with him running up to the bag and all... Wrong. He did it standing. No running start. And what about the one inch punch, that sends the guy flying 10 ft? The amount of force from that punch could have broken the guys ribcage and destroyed his vital organs. One of those punches would tear ali's head off, literally.
it would break the laws of physics to send a man flying 10 feet unless he weighed 500 lbs.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
That sidekick is the HARDEST kick to use I agree. You cannot execute that kick without telegraphing it more than the others. However, it is the MOST powerful weapon you have if you can use it right. You need to be extremely fast to be able to pull that kick off and Bruce Lee possessed that speed. This is the reason why I think most kickboxing competitions dont use this kick a lot. Simply because the fighters dont possess the speed adequate enough to make the move nontelegraphic. Its the most telegraphic move you can make if you arent skilled at it. You need to make your legs, hips, and body move so fast your opponent wont see it. I have spent hours trying to perfect get this kick down and still haven't been able to get it perfect.
Joe Lewis was the man that won entire tournaments with only ONE technique: his sidekick. People asked him why he didn't do anything else, he simply replied: "cuz whats the point? they cant beat my sidekick". Joe Lewis' opponents were baffled because for some reason even though they kept practicing to beat his sidekick, he was just getting faster and better everytime they went up against him. The reason for this was Bruce Lee, who successfully doubled Joe Lewis' speed so that at every new tournament, he was better than before.
Yeah RudBug, blocking a kick is much harder to block a punch. The field of vision is not the same and the kick is so much more powerful.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
btw, Andy Hug used a version of the sidekick to massively cripple Ray Sefo. Ray Sefo couldnt even use the leg he was kicked with. Go download K1's greatest knockout videos on kazaa or something. That kick is in there.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On May 30 2004 12:41 hk[hanbyul] wrote:
frozen with that post are you saying you dont believe inosanto taught him?
Nope :O
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
well go download the video. Its incredible to watch nontheless. You see how Bruce was able to use his entire body and most importantly how much power he had in his wrists. It takes a lot of power to execute a move like that. Most people cant even get the other person to budge at the distance of 1 inch.
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ah forgot about the 1 inch part, oops asdfasdfe3
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The clip i saw it from were from bruce demonstrating in hong kong. He went back to hong kong after realising that hollywood was wasting his time after getting rejected for the series "kung fu" to which he was suppose to get the lead role, so he decided to go back to hong kong.
When he arrived he did many demonstrations in front of large crowds. Some of the demonstrations included a guy holding a bag and he performed a sidekick on him, and he flew off the ground. Another one was when he was showing a karate guy how to punch and how to use his hip into the punch, and when he punched you could only see him raise his hand and the punch would already be pulled back. He also got a guy to stand still and bruce said that he would touch his face from 5 feet before he could touch his hand, which of course he touched his face.
All the demonstrations caught the eye of Director Raymond Chow, who was a considered the best director in hong kong, he met with bruce and bruce asked him to show the most popular movie at that time. After watching that movie bruce asked raymond chow if that was the best they could do and raymond replied yes. Then bruce told him that if he gave him a chance to express himself on camera he promised him that he could do 10 times better and wouldnt let him down.
Raymond then signed him to a two picture deal and the first movie was "the big boss" which became really fucking popular across asia because it's the first movie that involved real fighting instead of other asian movies where you see a guy with a sword flying across the air fighting another guy. Second was Fists of Fury and so on.
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levu of course his demonstrations do not have real use..ITS A DEMONSTRATION..you think in a real fight he'll say "wait let me do my 2 finger pushups first and my 1 inch punch" those are just to entertain people and show what he could do in terms of power. I mean would you do a dunk used for the slam dunk contest in a normal game? (unles your on a fastbreak) but other than that demonstrations are just to show skill.
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not unlike forms, which develop skill and make the various techniques more routine and set in the brain
like even after quitting taekwondo i still block things with my shin when something's coming at me
edit: ironically ijust realized i learned that from sparring....
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
what do you do to make your shins tough? Do you use that dough flattener thingy?
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i do nothing to make my shins tough, I don't fight at all anymore. in fact, even in taekwondo i used shin pads.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On May 30 2004 16:39 RuGbUg wrote: Show nested quote +On May 30 2004 16:36 taeWook wrote: On May 30 2004 16:32 RuGbUg wrote:
for those who haven't seen the video of bruce lee sending the bag flying into the ceiling, it's really not that impressive. he goes running across the room, takes a few hops, and does a slip-side kick with his body almost parallel to the ground (like hes really leaned back) I don't think i could do it, but it's really not what I bet most of you are picturing, it looks super awkward with him running up to the bag and all... Wrong. He did it standing. No running start. And what about the one inch punch, that sends the guy flying 10 ft? The amount of force from that punch could have broken the guys ribcage and destroyed his vital organs. One of those punches would tear ali's head off, literally. it would break the laws of physics to send a man flying 10 feet unless he weighed 500 lbs.
It wasn't 10 feet :D Try 1.
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Sweden33719 Posts
1) I'd say the Thai roundhouse/low kick are the two most useful kicks, not the sidekick (which btw, is very popular in sanshou I hear).
2) Shin conditioning~ I have a book about thaiboxing - it mentions it a fair bit I think. ADd me to msn @ my id@hotmail.com
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Oh~ and they said something like if you use something harder than your bone to condition your shins.. you are gonna fucking ruin them ><
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On May 30 2004 17:29 FrozenArbiter wrote: Show nested quote +On May 30 2004 16:39 RuGbUg wrote: On May 30 2004 16:36 taeWook wrote: On May 30 2004 16:32 RuGbUg wrote:
for those who haven't seen the video of bruce lee sending the bag flying into the ceiling, it's really not that impressive. he goes running across the room, takes a few hops, and does a slip-side kick with his body almost parallel to the ground (like hes really leaned back) I don't think i could do it, but it's really not what I bet most of you are picturing, it looks super awkward with him running up to the bag and all... Wrong. He did it standing. No running start. And what about the one inch punch, that sends the guy flying 10 ft? The amount of force from that punch could have broken the guys ribcage and destroyed his vital organs. One of those punches would tear ali's head off, literally. it would break the laws of physics to send a man flying 10 feet unless he weighed 500 lbs. It wasn't 10 feet :D Try 1. if you had read at all you'd realize they were all saying 10 feet. and if you had read at all after that you'd have seen that tien had already corrected everyone.
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On May 30 2004 17:33 FrozenArbiter wrote:
1) I'd say the Thai roundhouse/low kick are the two most useful kicks, not the sidekick (which btw, is very popular in sanshou I hear).
2) Shin conditioning~ I have a book about thaiboxing - it mentions it a fair bit I think. ADd me to msn @ my id@hotmail.com
a spin hook kick is extremely good against anyone unexperienced in kick boxing or thai boxing. its very hard to dodge, rather easy to connect to the head (with practice), and almost always knocks the opponent out.
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Russian Federation1020 Posts
Anything involving spins is probably a horrible idea
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Valhalla18444 Posts
This thread is hilarious.
Ali was HUGE. He was also just as fast as Lee. He would have hit a hell of a lot harder.
For everyone who said that Lee studied Ali's movements.. Please realize that the logic behind that was NOT gaining an edge if he were to ever fight Ali. He studied Ali's movement to LEARN from it.
Ali would kill Lee in almost every situation. The fact that he is nearly as fast as Lee would pose problems for Lee anyway, let alone the fact that Ali is twice his size.
Lee fanboys go die, you don't know what you're talking about.
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