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hk[hanbyul]
Profile Joined May 2004
Canada149 Posts
May 30 2004 01:13 GMT
#441
I've also seen rhee and bruce when he looked about 20 something sparring on a beach on like a huge rock.
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sKy.Fennix
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada220 Posts
May 30 2004 01:19 GMT
#442
On May 30 2004 09:24 Tien wrote:
Sakaruba is the best. what happened to him? Just me or is he not fighting anymore.

If you find your own money to train then spend it on these places to train. Just make sure you find a school that is not full of bullshit that makes you spend 10 years to finish with it. Go with something that doesnt teach forms either, imo, forms are the most useless garbage. If all the schools replaced forms with sparring, everyone would be 10x better.


fucking bull-shit.
forms are not useless garbage. In the days when ppl were creating these forms, the did it for a reason. For example: Matsomora the Samurai created the famous Shoinryu form "Seisan" for his wife. The movements were all catered around the fact that she had to carry a baby on her back with one hand. After studying martial arts (Issinryu) for many years, I can easily tell you that you know nothing. Forms are loaded with strange moves for a reason, by picking them apart there are soo many chokes, knock out strikes, sweeps throws and others. The creators of these old forms used them to save their lives with the moves. They were created in order to pass these moves on through the generations.

Garbage my ass.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 30 2004 01:22 GMT
#443
On May 30 2004 10:04 hk[hanbyul] wrote:
jhoon rhee was the one that taught bruce how to kick, but eventually he kicked better than him, and later he said he would never go 1v1 vs bruce lee because he was too fast. Dan inosanto taught him nanchucks but he eventually became better than him also.

Hrm strange how a philipino stylist could teach Bruce how to handle nunchucks (a Japanese weapon) :O
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 30 2004 01:29 GMT
#444
On May 30 2004 10:19 sKy.Fennix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2004 09:24 Tien wrote:
Sakaruba is the best. what happened to him? Just me or is he not fighting anymore.

If you find your own money to train then spend it on these places to train. Just make sure you find a school that is not full of bullshit that makes you spend 10 years to finish with it. Go with something that doesnt teach forms either, imo, forms are the most useless garbage. If all the schools replaced forms with sparring, everyone would be 10x better.


fucking bull-shit.
forms are not useless garbage. In the days when ppl were creating these forms, the did it for a reason. For example: Matsomora the Samurai created the famous Shoinryu form "Seisan" for his wife. The movements were all catered around the fact that she had to carry a baby on her back with one hand. After studying martial arts (Issinryu) for many years, I can easily tell you that you know nothing. Forms are loaded with strange moves for a reason, by picking them apart there are soo many chokes, knock out strikes, sweeps throws and others. The creators of these old forms used them to save their lives with the moves. They were created in order to pass these moves on through the generations.

Garbage my ass.

Forms had their place in a country where martial arts may not have frowned upon, most of the population was illiterate (thus being used as a way of passing down moves).

In todays, mostly, literate world forms are good for 2 things:

1) Aestethic value in forms competitions

2) Giving martial arts instructors something to occupy their students time, making them stay longer etc.

That person could have gotten much better practice by putting on a backpack, strapped it on in the same way as how whatever she was carrying her baby in would be strapped on, and filled it with stuff to make it the same approximate weight. Then she could have practiced ^_^

The moves may be in the forms, but there are much more useful ways of learning them (Like say, oh I don't know, just teach them?).

Forms do nothing for your fighting ability and may even make it worse -_- You are better of shadowboxing (not a set pattern), hitting the bag or sparring

All in all, for a martial artist interested in actual fighting application and not just forms competitions/tradition, forms are a complete waste of time.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-30 01:47:11
May 30 2004 01:44 GMT
#445
I used to know up to about 10 forms. Then I saw one of my friends spar this nobody using forms, and this guy practices hours of forms a day. He couldnt even take the nobody out. Maybe if you practice ur forms for 20 years something might make of it, but I dont have that time or patience. Id rather watch videos of people explaining me shit. Now I dont even practice any of my forms at all. Maybe they work, but again, im not gonna gamble 10-20 years to find out.

plus, I spar much better than anyone in my dojo that performs hours of forms. All I do is practice the the basic techniques, nothing fancy.
We decide our own destiny
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 30 2004 02:07 GMT
#446
Pierre: can you break five or six pieces of wood with your hand or foot?

Bruce Lee: I'd probably break my hand and foot!
(they both laugh)

Pierre: tell me a little bit....you set up a school in Hollywood didn't you?

^_^ He seems like he had a nice sense of humour too o_O
http://usuarios.lycos.es/bruce/entrev.htm
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
hk[hanbyul]
Profile Joined May 2004
Canada149 Posts
May 30 2004 03:26 GMT
#447
i've seen a clip where he sidekicked 5 pieces of wood and 1 inch punched 3 pieces it was awesome.
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hk[hanbyul]
Profile Joined May 2004
Canada149 Posts
May 30 2004 03:41 GMT
#448
frozen with that post are you saying you dont believe inosanto taught him?
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FBS1
Profile Joined April 2003
United Kingdom875 Posts
May 30 2004 04:17 GMT
#449
On May 30 2004 12:26 hk[hanbyul] wrote:
i've seen a clip where he sidekicked 5 pieces of wood and 1 inch punched 3 pieces it was awesome.


Where did you get these clips?

kuwakJai
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Thailand198 Posts
May 30 2004 05:10 GMT
#450
On May 29 2004 23:43 baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2004 04:28 kuwakJai wrote:
amat..... if u say it that way..... you have nice tits.
baal.... if u say it that way.... look in the mirror..... my puppy chihuahia will shit while he sses ur face.


Ill only forgive you because of that amat's tits joke XD



sure it been said b4 but it sure aint no joke.

there is no need to forgive. u want play i show u the circus
the Illuminated lantern
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
May 30 2004 05:15 GMT
#451
I see some truth to that quote Frozen. Taekwondoers can't punch for their life. At the martial arts club in my school I met this taekwondo guy who could kick like a motherfucker but 9lb dumbbell curls gave him trouble. lol.

I thought Chuck Norris was the one that taught Bruce Lee about high kicks. I saw it in a documentary when Chuck Norris said Bruce Lee first stuck to the idea of only kicks below the waste. And as Bruce and Chuck sparred more Bruce's philosophy changed.

And yes, Dan Inosanto did teach Bruce how to use Numchuks. The thing about Bruce is that whenever someone taught him a certain technique, within a short amount of time he would perform that technique much better than the person that taught him.

He thought about martial arts day in and day out. He drove his car squeezing a tennis ball. He flew in a plane and was hitting a punching mitt. He regularly curled a 35 pound dumbbell while reading and stretching at the same time. Bruce Lee lived, eat, and breathed Martial arts from the moment he woke up to the moment he fell asleep. Its the little things like that that seperated him from the rest of the world.
We decide our own destiny
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
May 30 2004 05:21 GMT
#452
On May 30 2004 14:10 kuwakJai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2004 23:43 baal wrote:
On May 29 2004 04:28 kuwakJai wrote:
amat..... if u say it that way..... you have nice tits.
baal.... if u say it that way.... look in the mirror..... my puppy chihuahia will shit while he sses ur face.


Ill only forgive you because of that amat's tits joke XD



sure it been said b4 but it sure aint no joke.

there is no need to forgive. u want play i show u the circus


omg shut up kid... get a grip
Im back, in pog form!
kuwakJai
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Thailand198 Posts
May 30 2004 05:27 GMT
#453
pfft... look pussy.
didnt fetus tell u not to step into other ppl's yard without first cleaning the shit from your shoe?

guess not. look at urself.
the Illuminated lantern
NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
May 30 2004 06:32 GMT
#454
my shop teacher in high school showed how anyone can break a piece of wood with a simple punch. They almost always use easy to snap pine in these demonstrations, and the always have the grain cut horizontally, so the wood snaps in half perfeclty at the middile. Try using grain that goes vertically, youll never break that with a punch. So why bother using it for any purpose at all. Like saying you can break a window with a rock, of course you can.
I went to the chippy last night and only orderd chips because I knew I could get fish from her bushy plate.
Kontra[MDK]
Profile Joined October 2002
Portugal1013 Posts
May 30 2004 06:57 GMT
#455
Make an experience. Pick up a great martial art expert in the world that has bruce lee's aproximate size and weight, and put him vs one of the world's top boxers, that has a huge mass like ali. And check out what could be expected.
Somebody call for an exterminator?
RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
May 30 2004 07:27 GMT
#456
For all these Mohammed Ali fanboys, I don't think you realize how much different boxing is from kicking. In my experience taking taekwondo, Tien's right, I pretty much SUCK at boxing. However, almost every person that would agree to kickbox would lose, because kicking is so much harder to fight against than most of you would thinK(oh i'd just tuck up and block see?) the problem is, bruce lee's best kick was a sidekick, probably one of the shittiest kicks to use in a fight. i'd put more money on someone like mirko crocop than bruce lee
anguish: its like that time i asked my bestfriend who happened to be black if his dick was bigger than mine anguish: he got angry anguish: and told me i was racist and gay
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
May 30 2004 07:29 GMT
#457
Somebody mentioned some guy who won championships with a wicked side kick, so I wouldn't call it usless.
RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-30 07:31:09
May 30 2004 07:30 GMT
#458
joe lewis
but thats only because those fighters probably did not realize how much different fighting against kicks is
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RuGbUg
Profile Joined June 2003
United States2347 Posts
May 30 2004 07:32 GMT
#459
for those who haven't seen the video of bruce lee sending the bag flying into the ceiling, it's really not that impressive. he goes running across the room, takes a few hops, and does a slip-side kick with his body almost parallel to the ground (like hes really leaned back) I don't think i could do it, but it's really not what I bet most of you are picturing, it looks super awkward with him running up to the bag and all...
anguish: its like that time i asked my bestfriend who happened to be black if his dick was bigger than mine anguish: he got angry anguish: and told me i was racist and gay
taeWook
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1367 Posts
May 30 2004 07:36 GMT
#460
On May 30 2004 16:32 RuGbUg wrote:
for those who haven't seen the video of bruce lee sending the bag flying into the ceiling, it's really not that impressive. he goes running across the room, takes a few hops, and does a slip-side kick with his body almost parallel to the ground (like hes really leaned back) I don't think i could do it, but it's really not what I bet most of you are picturing, it looks super awkward with him running up to the bag and all...


Wrong. He did it standing. No running start.

And what about the one inch punch, that sends the guy flying 10 ft? The amount of force from that punch could have broken the guys ribcage and destroyed his vital organs. One of those punches would tear ali's head off, literally.
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