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NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
May 29 2004 15:53 GMT
#421
yea, but, are they saying he has no life?
I went to the chippy last night and only orderd chips because I knew I could get fish from her bushy plate.
Mydnyte
Profile Joined October 2003
3306 Posts
May 29 2004 15:55 GMT
#422
Ok, you got me.
I still don't like Zerius though.
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
May 29 2004 15:57 GMT
#423
On May 30 2004 00:41 Zerius wrote:
afksleep


nice job being hypocritical on the post count / wasting time thing.
hN)fighter
Profile Joined February 2004
Bangladesh123 Posts
May 29 2004 16:01 GMT
#424
On May 29 2004 10:38 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2004 09:17 hk[hanbyul] wrote:
hey new comparison..royce gracie vs bruce lee. oh btw my frd told me a jap guy beat the whole gracie family, is this true?

Kazushi Sakuraba - The Gracie Hunter.
He's fucking awesome +_+ Exposed all Gracie weaknesses, got fucking mutilated by Silva though ><
However, Silva is a roid monster, bigger than Saku and Saku has fought too many big guys (he has to fatten up to fight at the weightclass at which he fights)

Sakuraba was #1 easily :O


Rickson gracie > sakuraba > rocye gracie
Ethiopians fart in puddles to have bubble baths!
hk[hanbyul]
Profile Joined May 2004
Canada149 Posts
May 29 2004 16:21 GMT
#425
http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/flash.html

too bad i dont understand korean, everyone watch gogogo
http://www.findapix.com/profile.asp?member=hanbyul
NewbSaibot
Profile Joined May 2004
3849 Posts
May 29 2004 16:34 GMT
#426
bahaha, that was cool as shit. I only watched the nunchuck one so far. Gotta love the game of death cold cock to the face without him even seeing it.

Beware everyone, this site is loaded with spyware installer attempts. Says you have to click yes to enter, but i got through by denying it.
I went to the chippy last night and only orderd chips because I knew I could get fish from her bushy plate.
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
May 29 2004 16:35 GMT
#427
If all you ali supporters were a bit younger, youll be in here saying the same bs about how Foreman would KO Ali with his left jab just because his bigger and stronger.

Hoe please..
bisu fanboy
booooo
Profile Joined March 2004
Singapore372 Posts
May 29 2004 18:24 GMT
#428
it's always hard to tell in a fight, esp if there is no rules. Both men are skilled in their respective fighting styles. Ali obviously has weight and reach advantage, but in a boxing vs jeetkungdo fight,it's hard to tell, after all jeetkungdo does tell u that no matter how big or strong the person is, if u kick him in the balls, his gone..

I love SCVs!
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-05-29 23:49:24
May 29 2004 23:47 GMT
#429
What I meant about Bruce Lee ripping bags was that he came over to Nick Coburn's house, gave it a powerful sidekick, according to Nick Coburn it flew back, hit the ceiling, and the part where Bruce Lee kicked it was partially ripped. Imagine what a kick like this would do to your abdomen.

Joe Lewis, the guy I was talking about who would win entire competitions using only that sidekick, was also ripping bags apart. In competitions, he would send many people to the hospital with a ruptured spleen or internal bleeding. And after doing all that, Bruce Lee would come up to him and teach him how to master his sidekick even more. In his book, Joe Lewis even said it, for someone to come up to him and teach him how to use a sidekick, even after he won entire competitions using it, must have been very good.

After a few months a bag starts to wear down. That is when they start ducktaping it like crazy.

Jet Li is tough. That guy has spent a lot of excruciating hours practicing kung fu. Even when he broke his leg the teacher still forced him to stand there and practice punches the whole day.
We decide our own destiny
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 29 2004 23:48 GMT
#430
On May 29 2004 15:56 0_0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2004 15:43 NewbSaibot wrote:
Well i had to skip about 500 replies over the last 10 pages from when i slept. And the debate still rages on with what looks to be still, little insight into what actual fighting is all about. There is one critical thing that i havent seen anyone post yet, (keep in mind all the posts i missed), and thats experience. And i mean actual fighting experience. Training will only get you so far, but 90% of the time that all goes out the window once youre actually fighting someone. Your mind panics, you get flustered, the stress of someone trying to do true physical harm to you can be quite overwhelming and next thing you know youre just throwing wild punches and kicks, things you were never taught to, things that only come with instinct.

Ali however would not fall into this trap, his emotions wouldnt break down and become panicky and just start throwin wild punches like an idiot because he's all scared and shit of someone hitting him. Would bruce? Who knows, the man didnt fight for a living! Nobody really knows how many true fights he got into, but i think its been well aggreed that it wasnt that many. Not only did he not fight competively, he didnt go around getting in bar fights or anything of the sort either.

As tien mentioned about how size and numbers of an army dont always make a win, well i related that to bruces speed and dexterity. People are using Lee's physical attributes only to define what he can do. An army of 10 men can beat 100 if those 10 are battle hardened soldiers with 20 years of experience, compared to 100 newbs whove never fired a gun at someone.

Ali was essentially the utmost in perfection when it comes to size and speed. Bruce lee was probably faster in the 'overall' department, but when looking at mans ultimate ability to become a machine, Ali was it. And you just cant topple how much real-world experience really matters. And i say again, routinely fighting for over half an hour at a time is an UNGODLY feat. No martial arts tournaments, bouts, or scrimmages ever consist of this duration. Lee and Ali could surely both exericise side by side for an equal length of time, but when youre mind has to be sharp and your body enduring, 30 minutes is like hours.

You cannot personalize this because you might run 10 miles per day, or work out at the gym for 2 hours a night, so you know how that feels. Go find a sparring partner at the gym or a boxing school with a friend, and just get some ring time in with a buddy (if you dont know how to fight), and try fighting for a half hour strait. Giving it all you got. I guarantee you will be exhausted in about 5-10 minutes, even if you are perfectly fit.


Since Ali was bigger, it would probably also mean he had less stamina, remember the T1 dude I mentioned earlier(forget his name)? He was huge, and could take you out easily in the first few minutes, but after that he was wasted =/.

Dude.. You are fucking comparing Bob Sapp (an ex-NFL quarter back) to Mohammad Ali?
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 29 2004 23:58 GMT
#431
One tidbit, to be able to withstand low kicks to your legs for 15 rounds is an amazing feat which speaks in favour of Ali

Btw, I'm not rooting for Ali, I would prefer being wrong and having Bruce win He's got more charisma :D
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 30 2004 00:01 GMT
#432
On May 29 2004 23:52 NewbSaibot wrote:
ok, tien, you have said multiple times in a row that bruce how ripped a punching back with a kick before. But thats all you say about it, and thats believable. Im sure gyms go through a punching bag once every month from the abuse they take. I thought you were just lazy in your true explanation of saying bruce kicking a punching bag which broke the chain, ripped in half, and flew 10 feet accross the air. Thats not what youre saying are you?

As for doing 2 finger pushups, yes ive seen even jet li do that in some chinese movie of his never released in america. He then proceeds to do 2 finger pushups on one hand.

And im glad hovz stepped up to say what some of us have really been feeling, espeically me, about this idiotic use of movie references. "Oh man he kicks this guy 10 feet accross the room in that flick" hello dumbass, they use wires in kung fu movies all the time. You didnt think crouching tiger hidden dragon was real did you?

http://www.bullshido.net/modules.php?s=1f20249f5a128959c14ceb13dc157f1b&name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=63

Kicking people across the room is very much possible
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 30 2004 00:03 GMT
#433
On May 30 2004 00:27 NewbSaibot wrote:
mydnyte, what? Bruce lee didnt train in jeet kun do from the age of 3. That is the fighting style he invented in his later years. And, i believe his basic kung fu training didnt start till he was around 6 years old.

Anyway, im starting to sway kinda to bruce lee now, after i recall in greater details some of the blinding speed he had. While both men were fast, lee was basically invisibly fast. His snapping fist could move with such speed, you really couldnt see it. Ali, being a heavy weight fighter, fought other heavyweights, who definately did not have movements faster than the human eye can perceive. If bruce can simply strike with this speed of which is completely impossible to dodge, then perhaps he would win. Assuming his strength is great enough to penetrate the body armor that was Ali's muscles.

Lee was 14 when he started training. A boxers bobbing and weaving is amazing -_-~
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 30 2004 00:04 GMT
#434
On May 30 2004 01:01 hN)fighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2004 10:38 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On May 29 2004 09:17 hk[hanbyul] wrote:
hey new comparison..royce gracie vs bruce lee. oh btw my frd told me a jap guy beat the whole gracie family, is this true?

Kazushi Sakuraba - The Gracie Hunter.
He's fucking awesome +_+ Exposed all Gracie weaknesses, got fucking mutilated by Silva though ><
However, Silva is a roid monster, bigger than Saku and Saku has fought too many big guys (he has to fatten up to fight at the weightclass at which he fights)

Sakuraba was #1 easily :O


Rickson gracie > sakuraba > rocye gracie

I think Rickson would get beaten pretty badly. Psychology factor + him being vastly overrated

Rickson is making a come back this year btw +_+ Vs some Japanese Tomato can T.T
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 30 2004 00:06 GMT
#435
Oh and Tien, I don't have ANY personal fighting experience (something which I hope to change, looking for a shooto place to train at, parents being annoying)
I'm just pretty good at arguing and gathering info ^_^
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
lefty
Profile Joined November 2003
United States1896 Posts
May 30 2004 00:10 GMT
#436
holy moly this is a long thread
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
May 30 2004 00:24 GMT
#437
Sakaruba is the best. what happened to him? Just me or is he not fighting anymore.

If you find your own money to train then spend it on these places to train. Just make sure you find a school that is not full of bullshit that makes you spend 10 years to finish with it. Go with something that doesnt teach forms either, imo, forms are the most useless garbage. If all the schools replaced forms with sparring, everyone would be 10x better.
We decide our own destiny
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 30 2004 00:26 GMT
#438
Slightly off topic but..
I seem to remember a quote by Joon Rhee to the effect of "Bruce Lee taught me how to punch, I taught him how to kick" (for those who don't know Joon Rhee, or maybe Jhoon Rhee, is a Tae Kwon Do man, one of the first world champs I think).

Tien, do you know if there's any truth to that quote?

Second of all, just as the people attesting to his great feats should be taken seriously, so should the people claiming to have seen him lose fights, right? And, I'll try to inquire some more about the specific, certain people said that Bruce lost a lot of fights in NYC China Town, squaring of against the very best +_+~
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 30 2004 00:29 GMT
#439
On May 30 2004 09:24 Tien wrote:
Sakaruba is the best. what happened to him? Just me or is he not fighting anymore.

If you find your own money to train then spend it on these places to train. Just make sure you find a school that is not full of bullshit that makes you spend 10 years to finish with it. Go with something that doesnt teach forms either, imo, forms are the most useless garbage. If all the schools replaced forms with sparring, everyone would be 10x better.

Indeed
Shooto is a very modern martial art - a mixed martial art. Purely sport though so no self defence ^_^

http://www.shootoamericas.com/history.shtml
http://www.shootersmma.com

Dur dur~ Saku will be fighting in June I think (possibly July I don't remember +_+ I'll watch Pride HW Gp and see what he said :D)

And nah, Sakuraba isn't the best right now :O He's damn worn out, fighting above his weight and taking such a beating against Silva (roided up, cutting weight a lot as opposed to Saku whom - I've heard - eats fat food and smokes a lot to reach match weight -_-).
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
hk[hanbyul]
Profile Joined May 2004
Canada149 Posts
May 30 2004 01:04 GMT
#440
jhoon rhee was the one that taught bruce how to kick, but eventually he kicked better than him, and later he said he would never go 1v1 vs bruce lee because he was too fast. Dan inosanto taught him nanchucks but he eventually became better than him also.
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