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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
Get an obs ASAP. Get a sgate and make one scout (you may begin flaming) and use the two to take out as many mines as you can. meanwhile get 4-5 gates and make zeals/goons with range, (speed and storm too if you have time) hit sieged tanks with scout(s). if they retreat then you push. if they dont then you finish blowing one up and then push. if t tries to make turret kill the scv. when you push use your scout too. | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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Tyrokomos
Greece43 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
@op why destination? | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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drug_vict1m
844 Posts
On November 23 2009 00:45 redneck_mike wrote: i hope that's sarcasm yeah, me too :/ | ||
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yarkO
Canada810 Posts
On November 23 2009 00:49 YPang wrote: LOLOLOLOLOLOL what if there's a goliath? or if the terran builds a turret? plan = smasht | ||
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BeefyEnchilada
United States50 Posts
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
i just realized his name is "Redneck_Mike" LMFAO it all makes sense now! XD | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
@pang, if he has goliaths move the scout somewhere where there are no goliath's | ||
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
On November 23 2009 00:54 redneck_mike wrote: destination because that map has brutal contains @pang, if he has goliaths move the scout somewhere where there are no goliath's so true | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
On November 23 2009 00:51 yarkO wrote: or if the terran builds a turret? plan = smasht kill the scv | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
On November 23 2009 00:39 redneck_mike wrote: Because I'm a noob, I have been contained by T a lot. And I finally found a way around it. Get an obs ASAP. Get a sgate and make one scout (you may begin flaming) and use the two to take out as many mines as you can. meanwhile get 4-5 gates and make zeals/goons with range, (speed and storm too if you have time) hit sieged tanks with scout(s). if they retreat then you push. if they dont then you finish blowing one up and then push. if t tries to make turret kill the scv. when you push use your scout too. This guy is a noob. He gets contained by T a lot, but there's a way around it. 1. Get an obs 2. Make a sgate +1 scout. Use the scout to wipe out Terran minefield 3. Get 4-5 gates and pump out zeals/goons and remember to get range *optional*speed and storm(only if you have time, depends how fast terran contains you proly) 4. Target fire the tanks with scouts to intimidate Terran into retreating. If they don't retreat, blow one up and then push. *If T tries to make a turret, kill the scv 5. If scout is still alive keep it as vessel defense | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
On November 23 2009 01:04 redneck_mike wrote: you just forgot the use of the scout, otherwise thanks oh sorry about that, I'll edit it in now. I think the only part i missed was the scout taking out the mines. Let me konw if I missed anything else! | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
On November 23 2009 01:05 Racenilatr wrote: oh sorry about that, I'll edit it in now. I think the only part i missed was the scout taking out the mines. Let me konw if I missed anything else! that's pretty much it thanks again! 5. oh and if scout is still alive keep it as vessel defense | ||
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geegee1
United States618 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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UFO
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Always
United States376 Posts
.. and then i'd build a turret | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
a scout can kill an scv before the turret comes up | ||
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Always
United States376 Posts
what's to stop me from using the two SCVs (at least) I bring along to build things to build 2 MORE turrets? or, in similar vein, what's to stop me from just finishing the turret? I really think your minerals are better spent elsewhere. run like 4 zealots through the minefield at different angles. that can usually clear a bunch. | ||
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Papvin
Denmark610 Posts
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duckett
United States589 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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Empyrean
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
 Work on your mechanics and your macro. Make sure you are always making a probe, and DONT fucking be late for those pylons or else you will just be throwing the game away. Just be tight with your build, and keep a zeal and a goon at your choke to prevent him scouting your plan. As your archives is warping in, warp in a second gate, and make sure you have enough resources and supply to instantly start making those 2 darkies. When you leave your choke, don't slash his SCV, and dont walk the normal scouting path, bend around it. If he hasnt started floating his CC over yet, slash down a depot, and head for those SCVs. If there is a turret around his CC and you cant possibly kill it without losing both DTs, then kill anything you can out of range. The main goal here is to delay his seige expand and forms of detection. If it is unsafe for your DTs in his base, sit at his natural and slash at anything you see. If you want to be even more aggressive, warp in a robo after your first two DTs. This way, if he has a turret at his choke, you can just drop right on his scvs. If this doesnt work, at least you have a shuttle for some zealot bombing and possible elevator when you are trying to break his choke, AND you can get obs to defuse those pesky mines and reveal his positioning at all times In the meantime, you should continue your macro. Make the decision between two and four initial DTs, but after that you need to constantly pump goons and/or expand before he does. After your expo is up, add a few gateways, and keep pumping zeals and goons. Dont forget zeal speed. AND DONT FORGET PYLONS! GL HF | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
On November 23 2009 02:13 Empyrean wrote: You're a terrible troll. who said i was trolling? | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
On November 23 2009 01:48 redneck_mike wrote: for the last time a scout can kill an scv before the turret comes up a scout cannot kill an SCV building a turret and being repaired by another SCV | ||
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dataXploit
Canada81 Posts
On November 23 2009 02:08 redneck_mike wrote: shuttles<vessels that's why what? vessels don't do anything to shuttles. a zealot bomb is way more useful then a scout. and u don't have to build a stargate to use a zealot bomb, either. and btw, turrets will be up way before your stargate is done. | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
BUT they do deny vultures so it is a good idea to make 2-3 | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
Some people think that because they have a ridiculous post count they can for speak everyone, but shit like that just lessens the quality of this forum. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
On November 23 2009 01:13 redneck_mike wrote: oh and if scout is still alive keep it as vessel defense Damn that pesky Vessel harass! Now I know what will hold it off. Thanks! | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
shuttles<vessels that's why you may want to check out liquipedia.net | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On November 23 2009 00:39 redneck_mike wrote: Because I'm a noob, I have been contained by T a lot. And I finally found a way around it. Get an obs ASAP. Get a sgate and make one scout (you may begin flaming) and use the two to take out as many mines as you can. meanwhile get 4-5 gates and make zeals/goons with range, (speed and storm too if you have time) hit sieged tanks with scout(s). if they retreat then you push. if they dont then you finish blowing one up and then push. if t tries to make turret kill the scv. when you push use your scout too. or, you know, mine out the back mineral. but hey scouts, yeah! | ||
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BeefyEnchilada
United States50 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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Piste
6174 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + answer is YES | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On November 23 2009 01:34 UFO wrote: I feel like switchin to protoss after readin this guide OP is better than 1a2a3a memes | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On November 23 2009 02:21 jtype wrote: Damn that pesky Vessel harass! Now I know what will hold it off. Thanks! No more EMP raids on your poor probes anymore! | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
On November 23 2009 02:44 redneck_mike wrote: only after his mines are gone + Show Spoiler + when you zealbomb u WANT the mines to be there? | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
The role of the scout here is minesweeper, so a zealbomb would be much less cost effective | ||
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Foreplay
United States1154 Posts
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steelcaller
United States6 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
If 1 scout can take out x mines, then if you can get about 10 scouts before they know what hit them you can take out x^10 mines, which is a lot of mines if the Terran is smart. I would definitely suggest more scout usage. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
come to think of it, when i get home next week and don't have to put up with my PSP's text limit, ill make a sair vs scout thread | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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jtype
England2167 Posts
On November 23 2009 03:14 redneck_mike wrote: i like how all the ps like this thread and all the ts hate it Probably because your strategy is game-breaking and the Terrans know their era of dominance is at an end. | ||
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wok
United States504 Posts
On November 23 2009 02:40 redneck_mike wrote: mining out the back wont stop the fuckton of units, but if you need those resources mine away! Ummm.... those are 0 min res, you know that, right? | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On November 23 2009 02:40 redneck_mike wrote: mining out the back wont stop the fuckton of units, but if you need those resources mine away! yeah mining out the back opens up an alternate path thus you arent contained anymore can move out flank the units and kill them. but no, definitely scouts *nods* | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
and jtype in 7 days ill be able to make a guide on pvz scouts | ||
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On November 23 2009 03:40 redneck_mike wrote: and be advised that if you still have spare money +1 attack is also recommended because 10 is so much better than 9 but what if Terran upgrades +1 worker defense? | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
On November 23 2009 03:44 motbob wrote: but what if Terran upgrades +1 worker defense? then you go +2 | ||
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UFO
582 Posts
This strategy is the PvT revolution ! OP for PvT is like Bisu for PvZ - I can see it now. See - even after u asked such specific question, to which responding requires you to understand the game in and out, he was still able to provide u with an expert-like answer. Indeed , when terran tries to counter you with + 1 worker armor - u can counter it with + 2 scout atack upgrade. | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
if real something happened to tl while i was gone | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
We wanted to see if he could do a gas-heavy build by taking one of his four drones and getting an extractor on the spot. It worked. With 4 gas, although you have a 25% drop in minerals, you could get gas on demand and perhaps get a quicker lair; and quicker mutas. Hydra/Muta doesn't deprive you of gas... much. So I don't know if this only works on D level, and I couldn't get a replay cause my launcher is being retarded and won't work, I'll get one as soon as I can get the thing up and running with ChaosPlugin. Questions/Comments/Angry Noob Insults? | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
I also recommend that on top of speed and +2 air weapons upgrade, you should get an additional Stargate, and then upgrade Disruption web for sairs. Then you don't even NEED dragoons and zealots anymore. Just use scouts and sairs all day. There is absolutely NO counter to this. And don't worry, the timing for this happens before the Terran gets his armory and goliaths. Or his turrets. + Show Spoiler + Sarcasm much? | ||
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Traveler
United States451 Posts
On November 23 2009 01:48 redneck_mike wrote: for the last time a scout can kill an scv before the turret comes up Uh, by the time you get a stargate up and a scout out, the terran is easily going to have multiple turrets up, no matter how bad he is.. I also really really hope this entire thread is a joke... | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
and that dweb idea sounds good | ||
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Gnarly
United States151 Posts
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Leath
Canada1724 Posts
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etch
Canada176 Posts
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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
On November 23 2009 03:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:I don't see why we don't just make more scouts. I mean think of it, this is genius.If 1 scout can take out x mines, then if you can get about 10 scouts before they know what hit them you can take out x^10 mines, which is a lot of mines if the Terran is smart. I would definitely suggest more scout usage. On November 23 2009 03:09 redneck_mike wrote: Amber, I like your thinking but by the time I have ten scouts I will have broken the contain come to think of it, when i get home next week and don't have to put up with my PSP's text limit, ill make a sair vs scout thread My day has been made. | ||
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Halliday
Canada24 Posts
using lockdown the terran is only delaying his doom | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
On November 23 2009 06:50 Leath wrote: What if he locks down scout? he would take too much time getting ghost and id be free | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
On November 23 2009 07:32 YPang wrote: what happens if he already has goliath? you move the scout away and then clear the mines in a different area | ||
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andeh
United States904 Posts
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atm0sphere33
Canada130 Posts
On November 23 2009 07:42 redneck_mike wrote: you move the scout away and then clear the mines in a different area So how does that break the contain in front of your base? Wasn't that the whole point? | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Going for scouts gets you an early stargate you aren't going to use, weak expensive units, and poor harassment opportunity. You can transition much better into a reaver drop after a contain break than scout harass. Keep in mind the economic efficiency of whatever you do, rather than what is the "best counter" for the time being. Everything should fit into your long term plan and scouts simply won't. I know this thread is mostly sarcasm but some players might actually think this is good advice and try to incorporate scouts as a push breaking solution. | ||
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YPang
United States4024 Posts
On November 23 2009 07:42 redneck_mike wrote: you move the scout away and then clear the mines in a different area but you're still contained aren't you? | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
see scouts aren't INEFFICIENT, they're UNDERUSED. they work, whether it's minesweeping, vessel hunting, or worker harass and the ability to do the last 2 is why i use scouts instead of zealbombs | ||
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Traveler
United States451 Posts
On November 23 2009 08:24 redneck_mike wrote: scouts actually are cost effective in this case see scouts aren't INEFFICIENT, they're UNDERUSED. they work, whether it's minesweeping, vessel hunting, or worker harass and the ability to do the last 2 is why i use scouts instead of zealbombs Man are you giving inexperienced players bad ideas... I'm gonna cry when I start seeing replays of people wasting all these resources on scouts and then gettting stomped by a terran. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
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holyhalo5
United States187 Posts
the only way i see that this could work is if you get scouts EXTREMELY early in the game. if you get them right when they start making turrets in their contain, it'll be too late. even when i zealot bomb, the turrets are already up and bombing my poor shuttle. and if you get scouts extremely early, wont that completely screw up your macro? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On November 23 2009 08:41 redneck_mike wrote: and i am not trolling, every last word i gave i have meant Then you have an unfathomably deep misunderstanding of StarCraft strategy. Although I don't believe for a second that you aren't trolling. | ||
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redneck_mike
United States124 Posts
not unless he has a second line or some goliaths your shuttle should have enough hp to get into his base and unload | ||
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