OK, so according to this interview, the four pro-gamers Bisu, Flash, Jaedong, and Stork are leading the E-sports scene as the top players. I think I would have to agree with this as they have been fairly consistent over the years as opposed to many of the #1 power rankers who appear for a while as the next legendary thing and then fade into averageness (e.g. Best, Effort, Forgg, LEta). Of course this is just my personal opinion but feel free to debate away anyway. I am interested to see how they rank here on TL. As far as I'm aware this topic has not already been made.
On November 14 2009 19:50 Descent wrote: Voted for Flash, and it seems Stork is actually at the bottom. But really, this is sort of "Who has the biggest fanbase on TL," no? =P
Should do a vote to see who people like the least to get a more accurate consensus on which player have the most fan base seeing now many of us here like more than one of them.
Edit: Must say though that Flash is the most boring one to watch. His turtle playing style is no fun at all but it is very amazing that he is so good at defending.
On November 14 2009 20:00 Yamoth wrote: Should do a vote to see who people like the least to get a more accurate consensus on which player have the most fan base seeing now many of us here like more than one of them.
that would just flip the results in the other direction.
On topic, Stork>Flash>JD>Bisu. Stork because he has been around the longest and is still kicking ass. Also because of his great personality and in-game tactics.
If you asked me weeks ago I would say Bisu no doubt, my favorite protoss of all time. But nowadays... I hand over my most grateful decision to Flash. Reading all of his interviews, watching his games I can completely feel his passion for the game. Being so young it is even more remarkable.
OZ is my favorite team and I hate everyone on it except for JD (PerfectMan makes me a little happy too), though you could argue that's being redundant as JD kind of is OZ.
I agree with CJ fans, Effort made breakthrough only last season and despite not faring too well in individual leagues he still is up and coming. And destroying proleague. Yeah
A little statistic not many people have noticed, but since september 2007 the top two KeSPA-ranks have never gone to anyone other then these four. There's been some people like Fantasy or Calm who've broken the top three, but the top two have always been a combination of Bisu Jaedong Stork and Flash for over two years now.
I see no possible way for Bisu to top Jaedong in a bo5, even in the shape Jaedong is in. I seriously think that Bisu is starting to buy into the Z >>> P hype a little too much.
EDIT: Wrong quote lol. Was referring to your previous post.
Flash and his completely impenetrable defense is always stunning to see.
Also, this picture of him almost makes me gay for him too.
EDIT: Stork would've been my second choice after that, just because he seems to have a healthier style (having a GF, playing other games as well etc). I can't really pick a third. If I had to, I'd go with JD just because Bisu SEEMS a bit arrogant. Not saying he is, just that he looks like it :D
Jaedong, I always hated him because people talk about him like hes better than sAviOr was and how Jaedong replaced him. But now I dont mind him.. I also dont like his play style as much as sAviOrs. Also I like Bisus play style, just not him.
I love the Taek-Bang-Lee trio too much to vote for just a single one. I especially cannot choose between Bisu and Jaedong since both are responsible for brining me into professional StarCraft (quite literally; their match on Blue Storm was the first pro game I ever saw). I am just not the type to have a single favourite player.
I am indifferent towards Flash, however, although I care more about him then Fantasy or Leta.
i voted flash because i enjoy watching him play the most, therefore he is my favorite. but i have to agree that jaedong is probably the most skilled player on the list.
I'm horrified that you suggest that EffOrt has faded into average-ness. And no mention of fantasy? I've heard he's pretty good. May have outperformed three of the four tigers in the last three OSLs.
You can slice and dice anyway you want, but there are not bounded categories of SC greatness anymore. It's a gradient scale, that moves around ever month (hence the PR). Not a good question to begin with.
My favorite is Stork, not beacause is the best but because he has a great personnality and he has played some of my favourite game ever. He's such a pimp. Flash seems to be a nice guy, and plays really great, and I like the way he fails. Jaedong is just very very good, but that's not enough for me to be a fan =) And I hate Bisu, but hey he's very good. He needs to cut his hair grrr
On November 15 2009 03:08 tree.hugger wrote: I'm horrified that you suggest that EffOrt has faded into average-ness. And no mention of fantasy? I've heard he's pretty good. May have outperformed three of the four tigers in the last three OSLs.
You can slice and dice anyway you want, but there are not bounded categories of SC greatness anymore. It's a gradient scale, that moves around ever month (hence the PR). Not a good question to begin with.
The taek-bang-lee-ssang has been delivering for the longest time. fantasy's and effort's time hasn't come yet with these four just dominating everyone and everything.
I love Jaedong just because he has such a dedication to the game and he's the best zerg player in the world with some of the sickest muta micro ever, I like Stork for his awesome personality and his love for alcohol to become friends attitude, and Flash is just on fire again recently and is still so young, and Bisu...well Bisu... he's at least more socially awkward then arrogant it seems, so he's not as bad as I thought before. He is the best protoss skillwise to play the game as well.
Been a fan of JD since 2007. His muta micro is unrivaled and is what got me interested in professional SC. It's insane what he can do with 2 ctrl group of mutas let alone 3 ctrl groups he showed us not too long ago (game against Miracle). Truly the most skilled progamer of all time. I used to like Flash more than Stork but lately I've been more attracted to Stork's play-style and his personality. He's just a great guy and player period. Also, he's looking pretty solid lately. Flash, mechanical beast. Though he's had some shaky moments, his play is solid for the most part. Used to love it when he was like invincible in TvP back then. Bisu, I respect his play and achievements but I dislike him the most out of all the progamers. I tried convincing myself to differ but I just can't like the guy. Maybe it's the way he talks or how he looks. Not sure.. :\
I love Stork. He's really good at SC and a great guy too. I like his playstyle more than Bisu's too (lower on harass, more focused on having a big army)
Jaedong is just amazing to watch. He's definitely the best player right now, he constantly makes my jaw drop with the ridiculous things that he does, like beating Miracle with 3 control groups of mutas.
I like Bisu, mostly because I play Protoss, but not as much as the other two.
Flash's playstyle is just boring don't like him as much as the other three. part of this may be my subconsious hate of terran
On November 15 2009 04:11 DreaM)XeRO wrote: Flash - I dont feel the star "vibe" that i get from Bisu, Jaedong, Boxer, Nada. I feel like he's just a mechanically strong player
I think people don't like bisu because he seems to be very passive and apathetic, non-chalent if you will, about everything. But that's just the way he is. Plus, he's also a good looking guy, so he has stuff going for him. It's like in highschool where everyone hates on the definitively hottest girl who is squeaky clean and scores 4.0's.
On November 15 2009 06:14 ProbeSaturation wrote: I think people don't like bisu because he seems to be very passive and apathetic, non-chalent if you will, about everything. But that's just the way he is. Plus, he's also a good looking guy, so he has stuff going for him. It's like in highschool where everyone hates on the definitively hottest girl who is squeaky clean and scores 4.0's.
On November 15 2009 06:14 ProbeSaturation wrote: I think people don't like bisu because he seems to be very passive and apathetic, non-chalent if you will, about everything. But that's just the way he is. Plus, he's also a good looking guy, so he has stuff going for him. It's like in highschool where everyone hates on the definitively hottest girl who is squeaky clean and scores 4.0's.
Maybe if SC fans on TeamLiquid were mostly women like they are in SK, Bisu would be more popular.
As it is now though, he's just that perfect prettyboy everyone loves to hate. Good looks and great at what he does. His personality is extremely boring and his interviews are snoozers, though. His whining about map imbalance also gets old.
Bisu loses games to Zerg: "BAWWW ZERG IS IMBA"
Flash loses games to Protoss: "My TvP is severely lacking compared to my other matchups, so I need to practice to get better at it. Also I'm working on developing a new TvP strategy. Hey Bisu, why don't you get PvZ tips from my teammate Violet? I hear he's the true revolutionist these days."
On November 15 2009 03:08 tree.hugger wrote: I'm horrified that you suggest that EffOrt has faded into average-ness. And no mention of fantasy? I've heard he's pretty good. May have outperformed three of the four tigers in the last three OSLs.
You can slice and dice anyway you want, but there are not bounded categories of SC greatness anymore. It's a gradient scale, that moves around ever month (hence the PR). Not a good question to begin with.
The taek-bang-lee-ssang has been delivering for the longest time. fantasy's and effort's time hasn't come yet with these four just dominating everyone and everything.
In my opinion there are 3 kings(Bisu-Jaedong-Flash the true S+) and 3 tigers(Effort-Stork-Fantasy the S class capable of crushing and dethroning kings). In terms of statistics, they should be in different categories(high 60% win rates and low-mid 60% win rates) close but no cigar, still love you though Stork. Can't consider Effort a king cause there can be only 1 king per race.
Effort hasn't really proved himself yet. I think that he's good and he will, but mentioning him up there with Bisu-Stork-Jaedong-Flash now is a bit hasty. Same with Fantasy, though he's closer than Effort is with his two OSL silvers and semifinal appearance
On November 15 2009 06:14 ProbeSaturation wrote: I think people don't like bisu because he seems to be very passive and apathetic, non-chalent if you will, about everything. But that's just the way he is. Plus, he's also a good looking guy, so he has stuff going for him. It's like in highschool where everyone hates on the definitively hottest girl who is squeaky clean and scores 4.0's.
Maybe if SC fans on TeamLiquid were mostly women like they are in SK, Bisu would be more popular.
As it is now though, he's just that perfect prettyboy everyone loves to hate. Good looks and great at what he does. His personality is extremely boring and his interviews are snoozers, though. His whining about map imbalance also gets old.
Bisu loses games to Zerg: "BAWWW ZERG IS IMBA"
Flash loses games to Protoss: "My TvP is severely lacking compared to my other matchups, so I need to practice to get better at it. Also I'm working on developing a new TvP strategy. Hey Bisu, why don't you get PvZ tips from my teammate Violet? I hear he's the true revolutionist these days."
I see what you did there. (And true thing that Violet was the first to reuse the DA frequently since he did it in the 08/09 season)
so i posted this earlier but i didnt wanna get flamed or anything lol.
i think that if these four players played a best of 5 series among each other right this second, this is what i would predict (based solely on pure speculation and recent performances of course, and factoring out map imbalances and etc):
Stork > Jaedong (we'll have to see how right or wrong i am after their wcg encounter i guess) Stork > Flash Stork < Bisu (hardest to predict, honestly)
Flash > Jaedong Flash > Bisu Flash < Stork
Jaedong > Bisu Jaedong < Stork Jaedong < Flash
Bisu > Stork Bisu < Flash Bisu < Jaedong
through this reasoning, stork could perhaps be considered the strongest right now. i mean, stork is looking extremely sharp in every single match up. Flash seems to have mastered two match ups (TvZ and TvT) up to now. Bisu only has one outstanding match up (PvP, haven't seen too much of his PvT lately) as of right now. jaedong, while surely remains strong in all three, doesn't seem to have any clearly defined best match ups right now (his ZvZ is not the same anymore lets face it, but we haven't seen much of his ZvT recently for example, so its hard to tell with him).
but this poll is not about whos the strongest i suppose, but whos the favorite. in that case though, i do wanna make another argument. i dont believe i speak only for myself when i say that the reason why bisu and stork are at the bottom of the poll is because they share the protoss race, and thus a big chunk of the popularity of the protoss race as a whole is split between them. so, whereas most terran players in TL will naturally favor flash, and most zerg players in TL will naturally favor Jaedong, protoss players in TL may be split between stork and bisu, at least i know i was, and i changed my vote from bisu to stork because stork had the least votes . anyone else feels this way or just me?...
Well... I think some people misunderstood it. It's "who is your favorite" not "who's the best"
Everyone knows JD is the best >.> He's just despicably, perversely good. Too skilled for his own good.
I just love Stork, he's such a baller. He doesn't win gold very often, but he's incredibly consistent and he plays the manliest race, so yeah. He's not as manly as the mantoss, but he has his own qualities.
Poor Bisu >: He's awesome too but no one likes him.
Flash is insanely boring, lol macro and only one build that he uses, because, as he said in some interview, "it wins games". See, this is what's killing the sport right there. Too many progamers these days are less about fun, entertaining games and more about doing the same build over and over and over and over because it wins the most. I know it's because the players are pressured by their coaches/etc, but still. It's awful.
I'm not saying EffOrt and fantasy have the pedigree that those four have, but this question is best phrased as "the best players from a year and a half ago who are still awesome." as opposed to
On November 15 2009 03:52 MuffinDude wrote: fantasy's and effort's time hasn't come yet with these four just dominating everyone and everything.
On November 15 2009 08:14 tree.hugger wrote: I'm not saying EffOrt and fantasy have the pedigree that those four have, but this question is best phrased as "the best players from a year and a half ago who are still awesome." as opposed to
On November 15 2009 03:52 MuffinDude wrote: fantasy's and effort's time hasn't come yet with these four just dominating everyone and everything.
Which just isn't true.
effort and fantasy hasn't won a single starleague, in fact both of them combined accomplished as much as jangbi has, 2 silvers. jaedong also dominated effort in the ace match, the one that got hwaseung into pl finals. skt won pl mainly because of bisu, although it was fantasy who won it for skt, bisu was the one who lead skt through the regular season to their great finish.
And bisu/stork/jaedong/flash been dominating since the downfall of savior and it with flash and stork on the rise again, it looks like its going to remain that way. at least two of the four are always on top of any other players, including fantasy and effort.
fantasy and effort arn't fading away like the opening, and maybe fantasy and effort's time will come later, but not now. not now my friend.
On November 15 2009 08:30 Klive5ive wrote: I think you split the Protoss vote by putting Stork AND Bisu in the poll.
On November 15 2009 08:03 Abyzou wrote: Well... I think some people misunderstood it. It's "who is your favorite" not "who's the best"
Everyone knows JD is the best >.> He's just despicably, perversely good. Too skilled for his own good.
I just love Stork, he's such a baller. He doesn't win gold very often, but he's incredibly consistent and he plays the manliest race, so yeah. He's not as manly as the mantoss, but he has his own qualities.
Poor Bisu >: He's awesome too but no one likes him.
Flash is insanely boring, lol macro and only one build that he uses, because, as he said in some interview, "it wins games". See, this is what's killing the sport right there. Too many progamers these days are less about fun, entertaining games and more about doing the same build over and over and over and over because it wins the most. I know it's because the players are pressured by their coaches/etc, but still. It's awful.
To be fair, Flash knows he needs to change his TvP soon or else he's in a lot of trouble. And I'm not sure how people can still think he's basically a macrobot when his TvZ and TvT have always been pure sex if your more concerned about good play and less on gimmicks like wasting time so you can get nukes like Fantasy did in that game against Hoejja.
Almost a year ago I'd say Bisu for sure... But now it's more like Stork and I always liked Flash, his style is unique. I don't know what's so brilliant about Jaedong though, his recent ZvP is looking rather like Julyzerg copy who I admire more. Storks PvZ micro is absolutely amazing.
On November 15 2009 08:44 Holgerius wrote: Ya, watch Flash's recent TvZ's. If you still think he's boring after that, you're a dumbass.
Umm, define boring. Flash's TvZ is standard. His builds, timings are all standard. But the reason he is so good, is because he does the standard stuff so damn well. So if you are looking for something new/creative or cheese/unexpected, Flash is boring. If you are looking for someone to demonstrate standard Terran play(standard means generally accepted as the best approach) at its peak of perfection, Flash is your man.
So I guess someone like Bisu is good for people who are new to the game and don't understand the finer points like macro and positioning cause he is fun to watch when he cheeses.
I guess with Flash, its easy for someone who somewhat understands the game to greatly appreciate his skillz, but he is a lot less exciting to watch than an aggressive play.
On November 14 2009 20:07 Tru_m4n wrote: I like them all but Bisu is the favourite.
Edit: Must say though that Flash is the most boring one to watch. His turtle playing style is no fun at all but it is very amazing that he is so good at defending.
Even though i agree that they style he plays with doesn't seem like it would be fun to watch, I see him as the most entertaining of the 4 just because of how he controls the game. And i play zerg xD.
if each progamer got 5 weeks of rest, Flash would definitely be the best. Overall, he has the best mechanics and game sense, except sometimes he tries dumb things (I remember he went speed vultures vs. Hyuk once), gets greedy (the constant 14cc period) and usually, he has too much stuff to worry about to play at his top condition. However, when he's well rested (beginning of this proleague season), he destroys everyone.
On November 15 2009 08:44 Holgerius wrote: Ya, watch Flash's recent TvZ's. If you still think he's boring after that, you're a dumbass.
Umm, define boring. Flash's TvZ is standard. His builds, timings are all standard. But the reason he is so good, is because he does the standard stuff so damn well. So if you are looking for something new/creative or cheese/unexpected, Flash is boring. If you are looking for someone to demonstrate standard Terran play(standard means generally accepted as the best approach) at its peak of perfection, Flash is your man.
So I guess someone like Bisu is good for people who are new to the game and don't understand the finer points like macro and positioning cause he is fun to watch when he cheeses.
I guess with Flash, its easy for someone who somewhat understands the game to greatly appreciate his skillz, but he is a lot less exciting to watch than an aggressive play.
Last actual NEW TvZ build i've seen came from Flash so i dunno what you are talking about really. At elast i've never seen anyone else do goliath into mnm unless you want to correct me? Theres only so much creative and innovative builds you can do rather than just stick to perfect solid play.. as we've seen by Fantasy clever build-orders will only get you so far.
On November 15 2009 08:44 Holgerius wrote: Ya, watch Flash's recent TvZ's. If you still think he's boring after that, you're a dumbass.
Umm, define boring. Flash's TvZ is standard. His builds, timings are all standard. But the reason he is so good, is because he does the standard stuff so damn well. So if you are looking for something new/creative or cheese/unexpected, Flash is boring. If you are looking for someone to demonstrate standard Terran play(standard means generally accepted as the best approach) at its peak of perfection, Flash is your man.
So I guess someone like Bisu is good for people who are new to the game and don't understand the finer points like macro and positioning cause he is fun to watch when he cheeses.
I guess with Flash, its easy for someone who somewhat understands the game to greatly appreciate his skillz, but he is a lot less exciting to watch than an aggressive play.
Have you actually seen his recent games? His TvZ is hyper aggressive (watch him completely nullify hero's 2 Hatch Muta by moving out with his marines), and I wouldn't call his 5 (!) dropships against Hyun completely standard. In fact, several of the games he has won has been due to unorthodox timings as opposed to standard.
On November 15 2009 08:14 tree.hugger wrote: I'm not saying EffOrt and fantasy have the pedigree that those four have, but this question is best phrased as "the best players from a year and a half ago who are still awesome." as opposed to
On November 15 2009 03:52 MuffinDude wrote: fantasy's and effort's time hasn't come yet with these four just dominating everyone and everything.
Which just isn't true.
effort and fantasy hasn't won a single starleague, in fact both of them combined accomplished as much as jangbi has, 2 silvers. jaedong also dominated effort in the ace match, the one that got hwaseung into pl finals. skt won pl mainly because of bisu, although it was fantasy who won it for skt, bisu was the one who lead skt through the regular season to their great finish.
And bisu/stork/jaedong/flash been dominating since the downfall of savior and it with flash and stork on the rise again, it looks like its going to remain that way. at least two of the four are always on top of any other players, including fantasy and effort.
fantasy and effort arn't fading away like the opening, and maybe fantasy and effort's time will come later, but not now. not now my friend.
Seriously?
How did CJ get to face Hwaseung in the PL Playoffs? EffOrt rolled Stork. + Show Spoiler +
Why did SKT1 win the championship? Because fantasy beat Jaedong twice. + Show Spoiler +
A player doesn't need to win a starleague a year ago to be considered one of the game's best players at the moment. Both fantasy and EffOrt deserve to be included in this discussion, easily. Calm and ZerO probably as well. If- no, when either of these four defeat one of the previous four, it's not an upset.
Moreover, to say that B/S/J/F have been dominating since the downfall of sAviOr is just plain inaccurate. Just this last spring and summer, Flash and Stork weren't looking so hot. Again, you can't make this cut and dry, it just isn't.
Stork, because he was so chill when I met him in wcg 2007 and cause he kept losing to White-Ra on purpose so he doesn't have to play against a korean in the following round lol.
On November 15 2009 08:14 tree.hugger wrote: I'm not saying EffOrt and fantasy have the pedigree that those four have, but this question is best phrased as "the best players from a year and a half ago who are still awesome." as opposed to
On November 15 2009 03:52 MuffinDude wrote: fantasy's and effort's time hasn't come yet with these four just dominating everyone and everything.
Which just isn't true.
effort and fantasy hasn't won a single starleague, in fact both of them combined accomplished as much as jangbi has, 2 silvers. jaedong also dominated effort in the ace match, the one that got hwaseung into pl finals. skt won pl mainly because of bisu, although it was fantasy who won it for skt, bisu was the one who lead skt through the regular season to their great finish.
And bisu/stork/jaedong/flash been dominating since the downfall of savior and it with flash and stork on the rise again, it looks like its going to remain that way. at least two of the four are always on top of any other players, including fantasy and effort.
fantasy and effort arn't fading away like the opening, and maybe fantasy and effort's time will come later, but not now. not now my friend.
Seriously?
How did CJ get to face Hwaseung in the PL Playoffs? EffOrt rolled Stork. + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7lr0i1t2BI
Why did SKT1 win the championship? Because fantasy beat Jaedong twice. + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73M-xN8vI84
A player doesn't need to win a starleague a year ago to be considered one of the game's best players at the moment. Both fantasy and EffOrt deserve to be included in this discussion, easily. Calm and ZerO probably as well. If- no, when either of these four defeat one of the previous four, it's not an upset.
Moreover, to say that B/S/J/F have been dominating since the downfall of sAviOr is just plain inaccurate. Just this last spring and summer, Flash and Stork weren't looking so hot. Again, you can't make this cut and dry, it just isn't.
You should read the Jaedong/Bisu/Stork interview first to know what this thread is about. And it definitely isn't about the best players today. It's about LEGENDARY players, who are still dominating the sport. Bisu, Stork, Flash, and Jaedong all count. Effort and Fantasy? Not even close.
Btw, the four tigers? That's a really lame translation. Even if you don't like the term "heavenly kings", at least give it some ethereal feel to the name to do it justice. I mean, tigers aren't even on par with humans on the food chain. While gods in heaven can strike down mere mortals like nothing.
On November 15 2009 08:03 Abyzou wrote: Well... I think some people misunderstood it. It's "who is your favorite" not "who's the best" Flash is insanely boring, lol macro and only one build that he uses, because, as he said in some interview, "it wins games". See, this is what's killing the sport right there. Too many progamers these days are less about fun, entertaining games and more about doing the same build over and over and over and over because it wins the most. I know it's because the players are pressured by their coaches/etc, but still. It's awful.
I really question whether people who say this ever actually watch Starcraft.
I don't really support any of them except for Flash, but that's only because I'm a KT fan. I think it's more fun to see "dominant" players lose than to see them become more dominant.
On November 15 2009 08:03 Abyzou wrote: Well... I think some people misunderstood it. It's "who is your favorite" not "who's the best"
Everyone knows JD is the best >.> He's just despicably, perversely good. Too skilled for his own good.
I just love Stork, he's such a baller. He doesn't win gold very often, but he's incredibly consistent and he plays the manliest race, so yeah. He's not as manly as the mantoss, but he has his own qualities.
Poor Bisu >: He's awesome too but no one likes him.
Flash is insanely boring, lol macro and only one build that he uses, because, as he said in some interview, "it wins games". See, this is what's killing the sport right there. Too many progamers these days are less about fun, entertaining games and more about doing the same build over and over and over and over because it wins the most. I know it's because the players are pressured by their coaches/etc, but still. It's awful.
We all like him. We all love every player on the list (and those who don't bloody well should). We just think he's slightly LESS awesome
On November 15 2009 08:44 Holgerius wrote: Ya, watch Flash's recent TvZ's. If you still think he's boring after that, you're a dumbass.
Umm, define boring. Flash's TvZ is standard. His builds, timings are all standard. But the reason he is so good, is because he does the standard stuff so damn well. So if you are looking for something new/creative or cheese/unexpected, Flash is boring. If you are looking for someone to demonstrate standard Terran play(standard means generally accepted as the best approach) at its peak of perfection, Flash is your man.
So I guess someone like Bisu is good for people who are new to the game and don't understand the finer points like macro and positioning cause he is fun to watch when he cheeses.
I guess with Flash, its easy for someone who somewhat understands the game to greatly appreciate his skillz, but he is a lot less exciting to watch than an aggressive play.
LOL?
FlaSh is uncreative?! FlaSh comes up with new build orders more consistently than any other progamer in this age.
Goli's into M&M + 4Rax Thats 2 TvZ builds in less than 6 months
FlaSh invented the dual armory TvP and is working on a new TvP build.
The only person who thinks of builds at the same rate is iloveOOv...
Uncreative? Nukes and mass dropships? FlaSh is hardly boring.
Not to mention FlaSh is perfectly capable of nearly all build orders and strategies.. he can cheese to the point where he's the Cheddar Terran and Macro to the point where he's the Ultimate Weapon..
EPT
Bisu, 
Flash, 
Jaedong, and 
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don't like him as much as the other three. part of this may be my subconsious hate of terran
