EPTSaying the N word? - Page 6
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baal
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Goatlust
Australia131 Posts
This black person happened to be a Star Wars fan, and Mace Windu was one of his favourite characters, so there was a bit of a stink, but we worked it out. Good thing he was a friend of mine. | ||
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liosama
Australia843 Posts
On November 10 2009 14:40 baal wrote: anyone who says "the n word" instead of nigger is an absolute idiot, no fucking exceptions, you are a moron persuaded by political correctness unable of independent thought and so dumb that you cant realize that its the context and intention of a word or phrase what makes it hurtful or not, and not the combination of sounds that is offensive, thats who you are mr "N word" I miss you baal. | ||
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BarneyEX
Malaysia98 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
On November 10 2009 14:40 baal wrote: anyone who says "the n word" instead of nigger is an absolute idiot, no fucking exceptions, you are a moron persuaded by political correctness unable of independent thought and so dumb that you cant realize that its the context and intention of a word or phrase what makes it hurtful or not, and not the combination of sounds that is offensive, thats who you are mr "N word" I hate em' damn naggers too. Oh wait.. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
On November 10 2009 14:40 baal wrote: anyone who says "the n word" instead of nigger is an absolute idiot, no fucking exceptions, you are a moron persuaded by political correctness unable of independent thought and so dumb that you cant realize that its the context and intention of a word or phrase what makes it hurtful or not, and not the combination of sounds that is offensive, thats who you are mr "N word" this | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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DarkYoDA
United States1347 Posts
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
I agree with baal though. | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
You can't argue that the black experience of North America is tinged by racial friction - you can't deny that it doesn't exist - and therefore you can't argue for a harmonious society where words don't mean what they mean. "Nigger" has slavery and white supremacy written all over it and its profligacy amongst black people speaks more to how a race of people who've been subjugated by their society for centuries can unite as a result of their shared misfortune. Obviously not every black person who says "nigga" is cognizant of this, but it's certainly the best way to think about it. And for a white guy to say "nigga" or "nigger," regardless of context of use, is still touching on this fragile history, and should be really really really really really really careful about it. That's why white people should just accept that the word isn't theirs and just not say it. (The semantics of quoting it are much dicier, but I don't rap along to hip-hop when I listen to it around other people, so I don't have these problems.) If I remember correctly, Nas was trying to touch on this with Untitled/The Nigger Tapes, but he did it from the altar of Nas, atop a throne positioned over glittering synths and dated Def Jam productions, and it really didn't have the impact I think he wanted it to have. Killer Mike or De La Soul might be better examples, although I can't quote songs right now. For the record, "African American" is an even worse word for reasons that follow this logic. | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3983 Posts
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DragoonPK
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On November 10 2009 14:40 baal wrote: anyone who says "the n word" instead of nigger is an absolute idiot, no fucking exceptions, you are a moron persuaded by political correctness unable of independent thought and so dumb that you cant realize that its the context and intention of a word or phrase what makes it hurtful or not, and not the combination of sounds that is offensive, thats who you are mr "N word" FUCKING WORD! You are my hero | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
On November 10 2009 21:47 Osmoses wrote: Its just a word. A black man saying "you cant use it cause you're white" is more racist imo than a white man using the word. This. Excluding one group from saying a word because they'r of a different skin colour is pretty much the textbook definition of racism. You choose to be offended by words, and as Baal pointed out abbreviating the word or some such shit doesnt do dick-all to change what your saying. | ||
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jon arbuckle
Canada443 Posts
On November 10 2009 23:49 aseq wrote: I can understand why it's more than just a word for some people, given the history behind it. But it's ridiculous to have a word for the black people that only they can use, that's racist in itself. And since they're evidently using it, so can we. If black people stopped using it, I think it would be fair crackers don't either. So I'll let them decide... On November 11 2009 00:23 Promises wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 10 2009 21:47 Osmoses wrote: Its just a word. A black man saying "you cant use it cause you're white" is more racist imo than a white man using the word. This. Excluding one group from saying a word because they'r of a different skin colour is pretty much the textbook definition of racism. You choose to be offended by words, and as Baal pointed out abbreviating the word or some such shit doesnt do dick-all to change what your saying. Tell this to a black man who can't trace his family history back a few generations without consulting trade receipts, where his ancestors are listed amongst crates of tobacco, oil, and tea as product. I mean, you guys are getting the chicken before the egg on this. Yes, you can say the word, but not without evoking the feelings associated with the word. And because the word has such a controversial and heavy connotation, with relation to white people and their treatment of blacks in North America, then it's just best not to say it. And if that bothers you, note that racial friction isn't that old and surely isn't stamped out, and trying to strip the connotations of "nigger" only exacerbates the problem. Being that its connotations have been accrued through history, you'd have to change history. Especially considering a lot of white people are still closeted racists. And note that "n-word" and "African American" are ten times worse because they try to deny this history and these conflicts entirely. Using these blanket terms is to pretend that if you ignore a problem then it doesn't exist. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On November 10 2009 14:28 Sadist wrote: Theres nothing wrong with promiscuity and ATCQ had plenty of songs about niggas and promiscuity. Ok fair, promiscuity isn't a bad thing. I suppose I'm using the wrong word for what I am attempting to describe. A better description would probably be disrespect towards women and general misogyny. Yes, ATCQ rapped about niggers and promiscuity, but they also had alot of intelligent lyrics, you can't say they are all about selling drugs, shooting niggers, and fucking bitches. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/11/04/nba-tv-analyst-calls-yi-jianlian-a-chinaman-later-apologizes/ Personally I didn't even know "Chinaman" was a "racial insult," and as far as I know, neither do a significant portion of people. Being half-Japanese, I don't care about the usage of "Jap" (I actually consider it a much more convenient, abbreviated way of saying Japanese) and I've not encountered anyone who cares, either. Maybe I'm just cynical but it keeps making me feel like these racial terms are just a means of getting headlines and preferential treatment for the people that cry foul about them. | ||
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EvilSky
Czech Republic548 Posts
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
On November 10 2009 23:49 aseq wrote: + Show Spoiler + I can understand why it's more than just a word for some people, given the history behind it. But it's ridiculous to have a word for the black people that only they can use, that's racist in itself. And since they're evidently using it, so can we. If black people stopped using it, I think it would be fair crackers don't either. So I'll let them decide... On November 11 2009 00:23 Promises wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 10 2009 21:47 Osmoses wrote: Its just a word. A black man saying "you cant use it cause you're white" is more racist imo than a white man using the word. This. Excluding one group from saying a word because they'r of a different skin colour is pretty much the textbook definition of racism. You choose to be offended by words, and as Baal pointed out abbreviating the word or some such shit doesnt do dick-all to change what your saying. Tell this to a black man who can't trace his family history back a few generations without consulting trade receipts, where his ancestors are listed amongst crates of tobacco, oil, and tea as product. I mean, you guys are getting the chicken before the egg on this. Yes, you can say the word, but not without evoking the feelings associated with the word. And because the word has such a controversial and heavy connotation, with relation to white people and their treatment of blacks in North America, then it's just best not to say it. And if that bothers you, note that racial friction isn't that old and surely isn't stamped out, and trying to strip the connotations of "nigger" only exacerbates the problem. Being that its connotations have been accrued through history, you'd have to change history. Especially considering a lot of white people are still closeted racists. And note that "n-word" and "African American" are ten times worse because they try to deny this history and these conflicts entirely. Using these blanket terms is to pretend that if you ignore a problem then it doesn't exist. The point is, I dont care to say nigger. As far as I remember I've never used it, and I dont particularly see the point. What I do have a problem with, is the big fuss that's being made about people who do say it. The people who cant trace their family line without stumbling upon something like this need to grow a shield, because (as Hans Teeuwen nicely put it + Show Spoiler + But i'm sidetracking here, my point is not that its a good thing to say nigger, its more considerate not to because some people might have bad feelings attached to the word. I am saying that to demand some sorts of special treatment involving the word etc is just stupid, people are going to say things that you dont like and you'll have to deal with it. | ||
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eNoq
Netherlands502 Posts
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