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lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
August 22 2009 16:42 GMT
#1461
yeah, the msl/osl finals this time around were pretty bad. gomtv wasnt much better either, it was a TvT..
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
August 22 2009 16:57 GMT
#1462
Congrats to JD! Youngest Golden Mouse! This man's a f-ing beast.
We see things they'll never see
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
August 22 2009 16:58 GMT
#1463
Congrats to Jaedong, he broke the OSL curse and won a golden mouse at the same time!
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
VictorW
Profile Joined May 2009
United States157 Posts
August 22 2009 17:03 GMT
#1464
Can't believe I watched that crap. I was tired as hell and fell asleep during game 3 right after Fake Yellow scouted the 2nd Hatch in JD's base. Woke up seeing JD clutching the Golden Mouse. Those games really blew, but it was awesome seeing Jaedong with such a great accomplishment.
Process is more important than the result
ActualSteve
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States627 Posts
August 22 2009 17:03 GMT
#1465
Crazy build.
Crazy micro.
(Z)Crazy-Hydra? Hell No.
You are now breathing manually.
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
August 22 2009 17:09 GMT
#1466
On August 23 2009 00:58 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2009 00:40 Bifur wrote:
On August 22 2009 21:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
On August 22 2009 21:02 Bifur wrote:
(T)BoxeR is still the only player to reach 3 consecutive OSL finals


While of course its still impressive, i think doing it in this current generation is much more impressive because the overall skill level is so much higher.


I have the opposite opinion. Jaedong is guided by games of all his predecessors. Boxer wasn't. He achieved this only by himself, nobody guided him.

The thing is, back then there was no competition whatsoever in comparsion.

I can't agrree.
What do you mean by 'there was no competition in comparison'? Do you mean that Boxer was so powerful that nobody could compete him? If so, this only proofs his dominance over other players.

Hence, I would restate your phrase as 'Back then there was no player who could compete Boxer'.
3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
August 22 2009 17:18 GMT
#1467
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3

Golden Mouse FTW!

Jaedong is Bonjwa!
L E E J A E D O N G ! <3
Lamprey
Profile Joined June 2009
United States4 Posts
August 22 2009 17:28 GMT
#1468
So lets hope next season they make a Protoss biased map pool b/c these ZvZ series are super boring. Definitely, the dullest OSL and MSL in past few years. If Jaedong can win MSL or OSL next season on what will without a doubt be a map pool that disadvantages Zerg then he is without a doubt the best player ever. Well, he already is the best player ever so not much will change, but that win would be 3x more incredible than this season.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
August 22 2009 17:34 GMT
#1469
well Jaedong is with boxer now.
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
August 22 2009 17:55 GMT
#1470
Yay! Congrats Jaedong! Platinum Mouse gogo
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
August 22 2009 18:01 GMT
#1471
Man... those finals were pretty lopsided, but I didn't care, I only watched them to see Jaedong win his Golden Mouse. Hooray for Jaedong!
May the BeSt man win.
1984
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Ukraine115 Posts
August 22 2009 18:08 GMT
#1472
KESPA should just prohibit zvz finals, may be semi-finals as well, lol.
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
August 22 2009 18:16 GMT
#1473
On August 23 2009 02:09 Bifur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2009 00:58 Shikyo wrote:
On August 23 2009 00:40 Bifur wrote:
On August 22 2009 21:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
On August 22 2009 21:02 Bifur wrote:
(T)BoxeR is still the only player to reach 3 consecutive OSL finals


While of course its still impressive, i think doing it in this current generation is much more impressive because the overall skill level is so much higher.


I have the opposite opinion. Jaedong is guided by games of all his predecessors. Boxer wasn't. He achieved this only by himself, nobody guided him.

The thing is, back then there was no competition whatsoever in comparsion.

I can't agrree.
What do you mean by 'there was no competition in comparison'? Do you mean that Boxer was so powerful that nobody could compete him? If so, this only proofs his dominance over other players.

Hence, I would restate your phrase as 'Back then there was no player who could compete Boxer'.


Everyone was bad back then, Boxer was less bad

Everybody is really good right now, Jaedong is better

Anyway, I, like a lot of others, am glad I didn't stay up to watch this. Still, good shit JD
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 22 2009 18:25 GMT
#1474
On August 23 2009 02:28 Lamprey wrote:
So lets hope next season they make a Protoss biased map pool b/c these ZvZ series are super boring. Definitely, the dullest OSL and MSL in past few years. If Jaedong can win MSL or OSL next season on what will without a doubt be a map pool that disadvantages Zerg then he is without a doubt the best player ever. Well, he already is the best player ever so not much will change, but that win would be 3x more incredible than this season.

He almost did it in Arena, but fOrGG turned on his WTFPWN everyone mode.
Jaedong
dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
August 22 2009 18:30 GMT
#1475
On August 23 2009 03:16 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2009 02:09 Bifur wrote:
On August 23 2009 00:58 Shikyo wrote:
On August 23 2009 00:40 Bifur wrote:
On August 22 2009 21:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
On August 22 2009 21:02 Bifur wrote:
(T)BoxeR is still the only player to reach 3 consecutive OSL finals


While of course its still impressive, i think doing it in this current generation is much more impressive because the overall skill level is so much higher.


I have the opposite opinion. Jaedong is guided by games of all his predecessors. Boxer wasn't. He achieved this only by himself, nobody guided him.

The thing is, back then there was no competition whatsoever in comparsion.

I can't agrree.
What do you mean by 'there was no competition in comparison'? Do you mean that Boxer was so powerful that nobody could compete him? If so, this only proofs his dominance over other players.

Hence, I would restate your phrase as 'Back then there was no player who could compete Boxer'.


Everyone was bad back then, Boxer was less bad

Everybody is really good right now, Jaedong is better

Anyway, I, like a lot of others, am glad I didn't stay up to watch this. Still, good shit JD


The way I see it, before we had boxer at (arbitrary measure of skill) 100 and everyone else at 50. Now we have Jaedong at 250 and everyone else at 200. So maybe Jaedong is still as far ahead of everyone else as boxer was, but because the baseline is higher he's only 25% better whereas boxer was 100% better.
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-22 18:38:13
August 22 2009 18:35 GMT
#1476
On August 23 2009 03:16 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2009 02:09 Bifur wrote:
On August 23 2009 00:58 Shikyo wrote:
On August 23 2009 00:40 Bifur wrote:
On August 22 2009 21:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
On August 22 2009 21:02 Bifur wrote:
(T)BoxeR is still the only player to reach 3 consecutive OSL finals


While of course its still impressive, i think doing it in this current generation is much more impressive because the overall skill level is so much higher.


I have the opposite opinion. Jaedong is guided by games of all his predecessors. Boxer wasn't. He achieved this only by himself, nobody guided him.

The thing is, back then there was no competition whatsoever in comparsion.

I can't agrree.
What do you mean by 'there was no competition in comparison'? Do you mean that Boxer was so powerful that nobody could compete him? If so, this only proofs his dominance over other players.

Hence, I would restate your phrase as 'Back then there was no player who could compete Boxer'.


Everyone was bad back then, Boxer was less bad

Everybody is really good right now, Jaedong is better

Anyway, I, like a lot of others, am glad I didn't stay up to watch this. Still, good shit JD


That's a bad way to look at it. If starcraft is still played in 2 years (which is very possible -_-) the skill level could reach even bigger heights, and people then would look on todays skill as "inferior". You can't take this one point in time as the high point of starcraft.

In starcraft, there is macro, micro, speed, execution, mind games, game sense, build order execution, luck. There can never be a point in time that is "really good".

Back then, the skills were inferior, but it was more focused on game sense, genious moves and thought up plays, micro, mind games, even then more so than now in some cases (however micro today is much more advanced, especially in ZvZ for example.) Nowadays, especially with lower players in progaming, it's much more focused on macro, build orders, preparation, and how well they execute it. They can, however, unlike people back then, take what they did then, and add it to there own play.

Boxer didn't have anyone to copy. He thought up everything. He played how he thought was best. He dominated starcraft and was the best player by far. True, there may be less overall skills, but this is because as the game goes along, gamers have much more open to them. Take teamliquid for example, it has a strategy forum, vods of games on maps, it even has a fucking wikipedia of information. Everything is there for foreign players, as much as it is for progamers with coaches who have played during the early starcraft period, all the build orders pretty much thought out, the macro and micro techniques known. It is just a matter of if that person can reach the height of each skill, and then add there own flair and style to the mix. Jaedong has done this perfectly. It doesn't, however, make him simply the best player, but the highest skilled player.

You can look at starcraft as "oh compared to now they are playing terrible, they must be bad" but it's different conditions with a different outlook. Compare 2005 to 2002 and it's similar to how we react now to back then, but too a smaller extent. People then were more appreciative because of how they played then and how the game was, but the game has advanced so much further that nowadays it just looks like a joke, especially to newer players.
sAviOr...
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
August 22 2009 19:10 GMT
#1477
On August 23 2009 03:16 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2009 02:09 Bifur wrote:
On August 23 2009 00:58 Shikyo wrote:
On August 23 2009 00:40 Bifur wrote:
On August 22 2009 21:14 infinity2k9 wrote:
On August 22 2009 21:02 Bifur wrote:
(T)BoxeR is still the only player to reach 3 consecutive OSL finals


While of course its still impressive, i think doing it in this current generation is much more impressive because the overall skill level is so much higher.


I have the opposite opinion. Jaedong is guided by games of all his predecessors. Boxer wasn't. He achieved this only by himself, nobody guided him.

The thing is, back then there was no competition whatsoever in comparsion.

I can't agrree.
What do you mean by 'there was no competition in comparison'? Do you mean that Boxer was so powerful that nobody could compete him? If so, this only proofs his dominance over other players.

Hence, I would restate your phrase as 'Back then there was no player who could compete Boxer'.


Everyone was bad back then, Boxer was less bad

Everybody is really good right now, Jaedong is better

Anyway, I, like a lot of others, am glad I didn't stay up to watch this. Still, good shit JD


There's a huge number of scientists who know way more than Einstein ever did.
beep boop
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-22 19:21:49
August 22 2009 19:18 GMT
#1478
Uh, wait. It sounds like you're actually trying to say that it is equally difficult to be dominant at a competitive activity at its conception as it is after years of developing all aspects of the metagame and with younger pros who essentially grew up with the game. I realize and understand what you are trying to say, but that wasn't the point I was attempting to address.

edit:

That's a bad way to look at it. If starcraft is still played in 2 years (which is very possible -_-) the skill level could reach even bigger heights, and people then would look on todays skill as "inferior". You can't take this one point in time as the high point of starcraft.


Yeah, and if that happened and say Flash became the most dominant player, I would say "2 years ago everyone was good and JD was better, now everybody is better and Flash is just outstanding". You're missing my point.

On another note, I was reading through the LR and

On August 22 2009 19:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2009 19:30 boesthius wrote:
JD just relaxin all cool, smug-ass look on his face; yarnc is sweating buckets :x

I got in one little free agency and my mom said Lee, you're movin to your new home at SKT


This post really needs more love. I lol'd.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
August 22 2009 19:28 GMT
#1479
I thought this series was amazing. JD's preparation really paid off.

(I saw an interview that he said he had something prepared, and you have no idea how giddy I was watching game 1 haha).

Yarnc was totally outclassed, but wow JD played really well.
We did. You did. Yes we can. No. || http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/crate.html || twitch.tv/crate3333
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 22 2009 19:51 GMT
#1480
On August 23 2009 03:25 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2009 02:28 Lamprey wrote:
So lets hope next season they make a Protoss biased map pool b/c these ZvZ series are super boring. Definitely, the dullest OSL and MSL in past few years. If Jaedong can win MSL or OSL next season on what will without a doubt be a map pool that disadvantages Zerg then he is without a doubt the best player ever. Well, he already is the best player ever so not much will change, but that win would be 3x more incredible than this season.

He almost did it in Arena, but fOrGG turned on his WTFPWN everyone mode.

Arena MSL's maps were woefully Terran imbalanced against Zerg. Tiamat and Athena were a joke.
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