EPT[OSL] Bacchus OSL Grand Final - Jaedong vs YellOw[ArnC] -…
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lazz
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ActualSteve
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Crazy micro.  Crazy-Hydra? Hell No. | ||
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Bifur
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On August 23 2009 00:58 Shikyo wrote: The thing is, back then there was no competition whatsoever in comparsion. I can't agrree. What do you mean by 'there was no competition in comparison'? Do you mean that Boxer was so powerful that nobody could compete him? If so, this only proofs his dominance over other players. Hence, I would restate your phrase as 'Back then there was no player who could compete Boxer'. | ||
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3nickma
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Golden Mouse FTW!  Jaedong is Bonjwa!  | ||
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Lamprey
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1984
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Kyuukyuu
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On August 23 2009 02:09 Bifur wrote: I can't agrree. What do you mean by 'there was no competition in comparison'? Do you mean that Boxer was so powerful that nobody could compete him? If so, this only proofs his dominance over other players. Hence, I would restate your phrase as 'Back then there was no player who could compete Boxer'. Everyone was bad back then, Boxer was less bad Everybody is really good right now, Jaedong is better Anyway, I, like a lot of others, am glad I didn't stay up to watch this. Still, good shit JD | ||
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Avidkeystamper
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On August 23 2009 02:28 Lamprey wrote: So lets hope next season they make a Protoss biased map pool b/c these ZvZ series are super boring. Definitely, the dullest OSL and MSL in past few years. If Jaedong can win MSL or OSL next season on what will without a doubt be a map pool that disadvantages Zerg then he is without a doubt the best player ever. Well, he already is the best player ever so not much will change, but that win would be 3x more incredible than this season. He almost did it in Arena, but fOrGG turned on his WTFPWN everyone mode. | ||
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dmfg
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On August 23 2009 03:16 Kyuukyuu wrote: Everyone was bad back then, Boxer was less bad Everybody is really good right now, Jaedong is better Anyway, I, like a lot of others, am glad I didn't stay up to watch this. Still, good shit JD The way I see it, before we had boxer at (arbitrary measure of skill) 100 and everyone else at 50. Now we have Jaedong at 250 and everyone else at 200. So maybe Jaedong is still as far ahead of everyone else as boxer was, but because the baseline is higher he's only 25% better whereas boxer was 100% better. | ||
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Camlito
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On August 23 2009 03:16 Kyuukyuu wrote: Everyone was bad back then, Boxer was less bad Everybody is really good right now, Jaedong is better Anyway, I, like a lot of others, am glad I didn't stay up to watch this. Still, good shit JD That's a bad way to look at it. If starcraft is still played in 2 years (which is very possible -_-) the skill level could reach even bigger heights, and people then would look on todays skill as "inferior". You can't take this one point in time as the high point of starcraft. In starcraft, there is macro, micro, speed, execution, mind games, game sense, build order execution, luck. There can never be a point in time that is "really good". Back then, the skills were inferior, but it was more focused on game sense, genious moves and thought up plays, micro, mind games, even then more so than now in some cases (however micro today is much more advanced, especially in ZvZ for example.) Nowadays, especially with lower players in progaming, it's much more focused on macro, build orders, preparation, and how well they execute it. They can, however, unlike people back then, take what they did then, and add it to there own play. Boxer didn't have anyone to copy. He thought up everything. He played how he thought was best. He dominated starcraft and was the best player by far. True, there may be less overall skills, but this is because as the game goes along, gamers have much more open to them. Take teamliquid for example, it has a strategy forum, vods of games on maps, it even has a fucking wikipedia of information. Everything is there for foreign players, as much as it is for progamers with coaches who have played during the early starcraft period, all the build orders pretty much thought out, the macro and micro techniques known. It is just a matter of if that person can reach the height of each skill, and then add there own flair and style to the mix. Jaedong has done this perfectly. It doesn't, however, make him simply the best player, but the highest skilled player. You can look at starcraft as "oh compared to now they are playing terrible, they must be bad" but it's different conditions with a different outlook. Compare 2005 to 2002 and it's similar to how we react now to back then, but too a smaller extent. People then were more appreciative because of how they played then and how the game was, but the game has advanced so much further that nowadays it just looks like a joke, especially to newer players. | ||
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7mk
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On August 23 2009 03:16 Kyuukyuu wrote: Everyone was bad back then, Boxer was less bad Everybody is really good right now, Jaedong is better Anyway, I, like a lot of others, am glad I didn't stay up to watch this. Still, good shit JD There's a huge number of scientists who know way more than Einstein ever did. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
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edit: That's a bad way to look at it. If starcraft is still played in 2 years (which is very possible -_-) the skill level could reach even bigger heights, and people then would look on todays skill as "inferior". You can't take this one point in time as the high point of starcraft. Yeah, and if that happened and say Flash became the most dominant player, I would say "2 years ago everyone was good and JD was better, now everybody is better and Flash is just outstanding". You're missing my point. On another note, I was reading through the LR and On August 22 2009 19:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I got in one little free agency and my mom said Lee, you're movin to your new home at SKT This post really needs more love. I lol'd. | ||
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crate
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(I saw an interview that he said he had something prepared, and you have no idea how giddy I was watching game 1 haha). Yarnc was totally outclassed, but wow JD played really well. | ||
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koreasilver
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On August 23 2009 03:25 Avidkeystamper wrote: He almost did it in Arena, but fOrGG turned on his WTFPWN everyone mode. Arena MSL's maps were woefully Terran imbalanced against Zerg. Tiamat and Athena were a joke. | ||
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