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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 25 2009 02:34 GMT
#1561
On August 25 2009 11:28 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2009 23:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 24 2009 16:33 Sentenal wrote:
On August 24 2009 13:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Out of 5 people that said (not merely agreed) this was the worst OSL AFTER the games were over:
3 were protoss players
4 were SKT T1 fans.
Am I implying something? Yes.
Only iamho was neither.

Yes, I can see how a OSL that was more or less a 2 race tournament, that was filled with the most hated MU in Starcraft (ZvZ), topped off with a one-sided rape of a final that anyone could have predicted, makes for a great OSL.

Strawman.

Okay, I have no idea what you mean by that. Strawman...?

I never asserted that the finals weren't boring. I said that most people who said the finals were boring were SKT fans.
You then proved (quite convincingly) that the finals were indeed boring, which was too bad, because I never agreed to the contrary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman_argument
Jaedong
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
August 25 2009 03:05 GMT
#1562
On August 25 2009 11:34 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I never asserted that the finals weren't boring.

dual negation! ** head explodes **

anyway, well argued :p damn straw men don't leave us alone! call batman.
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
August 25 2009 07:21 GMT
#1563
On August 25 2009 11:34 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2009 11:28 Sentenal wrote:
On August 24 2009 23:59 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 24 2009 16:33 Sentenal wrote:
On August 24 2009 13:24 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Out of 5 people that said (not merely agreed) this was the worst OSL AFTER the games were over:
3 were protoss players
4 were SKT T1 fans.
Am I implying something? Yes.
Only iamho was neither.

Yes, I can see how a OSL that was more or less a 2 race tournament, that was filled with the most hated MU in Starcraft (ZvZ), topped off with a one-sided rape of a final that anyone could have predicted, makes for a great OSL.

Strawman.

Okay, I have no idea what you mean by that. Strawman...?

I never asserted that the finals weren't boring. I said that most people who said the finals were boring were SKT fans.
You then proved (quite convincingly) that the finals were indeed boring, which was too bad, because I never agreed to the contrary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman_argument

You said you were implying something in your original post. Were you not implying that people thought this was the worst OSL in recent history, due to either being SKT1 fans, or Protoss fans (both of which more or less mean they think it was a bad OSL due to bias, rather than it really being a bad OSL)?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-25 07:45:05
August 25 2009 07:36 GMT
#1564
Fine.
Jaedong
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8092 Posts
August 25 2009 07:41 GMT
#1565
Let this finals go people stop bumping this thread the games were terrible
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7231 Posts
August 25 2009 08:02 GMT
#1566
The games weren't that exciting because Jaedong stomped Yarnc in a vicious fashion.
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Alsar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States130 Posts
August 25 2009 09:06 GMT
#1567
I thought the Club Day MSL was the worst finals ever because it was PvP and my user icon is zerg and my team icon is Oz and there was an SKT player in the finals.


^____________^
Eeevil
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands359 Posts
August 25 2009 09:46 GMT
#1568
On August 25 2009 17:02 NovaTheFeared wrote:
The games weren't that exciting because Jaedong stomped Yarnc in a vicious fashion.


Da truth !

A ZvZ is like sex with a premature ejaculation. It's great while it lasts but it's over way too quickly and you're left with an empty feeling of disappointment.

Not that I have any experience with that of course.

I don't play ZvZ.



Dance like a butterfly, sting like an Intercontinental Ballistic Nuclear Missle.
vaMpYr
Profile Joined July 2009
France119 Posts
August 25 2009 12:11 GMT
#1569
beating Grrr or skelton back in 1999 with random A- iccup , yes for sure .
but boxer was a complete different level . when he showed up on the scene , it as the biggest step made in the history . random A- would not beat boxer 2000 just because boxer would play so smart that the A- will understand nothing .

boxer2000 almost know starcraft better than some A- in the present .

in football , if pelée of the past plays in the present , what would it be ? just pathetic ..

but can you think beat the pelée of the past ?

NO WAY if you are not a professionnal
jaedong > flash in OSLs ; jaedong > flash in MSLs ; jaedong > flash in WCGs ; jaedong > flash in proleagues . what else ? NESPRESSO ( old quote =( )
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-25 19:41:27
August 25 2009 19:37 GMT
#1570
On August 25 2009 09:41 Mr. Maestro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2009 09:20 koreasilver wrote:
On August 25 2009 07:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 25 2009 06:43 Batibot wrote:
On August 25 2009 06:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 24 2009 13:55 Gumbo wrote:
On August 24 2009 13:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 24 2009 12:58 ssj114 wrote:
Jaedong proving he is the GOAT.

I find it hilarious that people are saying that it's the worst OSL in recent history or other bla bla bla.

Get over it. Jaedong is so clearly the GOAT.


Straight up, Jaedong could beat any other player in history, but that doesn't necessarily make him the best.


Well, actually, yes. It does.


Actually, no. Has he shown the tactical genius and pure intelligence needed to truly dominate an era like Boxer, Oov, Nada, or Savior did? No. THAT is true greatness. Being able to know a game so well in your own generation that you can truly dominate the scene. Comparing two different generations is like comparing two different games - it makes you look like an idiot. Anyone with half a brain can watch Boxer play GARIMTO or Yellow way back in the day and see that it is basically a completely different game compared to now.

When I watch Boxer vs Yellow year 2000 or something where Boxer won 3~2. I said, hey, these guys aren't that good and prolly if I practice enough, I can play like them. Actually, I'm believing we could beat the Boxer in year 2000. But, of course, it's already been 9 years after that, SO MANY strategies and whatnot developed. Now, I understand why they "sucked" back in the days. I mean, they don't play perfect. Sometimes, there are idle larvae for Yellow or sometimes, he micros bad for a pro.


If you're arrogant enough to think you could beat a pro even from the old days, you're a complete moron.

A C- Zerg player on iCCup of today can beat the Boxer from 2001 easy.



Yeah a C- zerg can beat Boxer from 2001 easy using MODERN strategies

This entire argument is pointless, but the average iCCup player of today has better micro, better understanding of builds, and just better understanding of the game in its entirety than Boxer ever did in the early days of SC:BW, even if he was one of the greatest innovators of the game. There's just absolutely no question that a mid-level casual player on iCCup is better than the top players of 2001 in basically every area of the game. We could seriously just play the 1hatch/2hatch lair builds like the old Zergs and win without much problem.

On August 25 2009 21:11 vaMpYr wrote:
boxer2000 almost know starcraft better than some A- in the present .

Not in the slightest.

These discussions are so pointless; why does it even matter?
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
August 26 2009 01:42 GMT
#1571
On August 25 2009 16:41 Scaramanga wrote:
Let this finals go people stop bumping this thread the games were terrible


I enjoy total destruction.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
August 28 2009 20:51 GMT
#1572
[image loading]
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 28 2009 20:52 GMT
#1573
We've already been through this. The spoiler part is when it says how many videos are in the folder, not the size of each video.
Jaedong
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
August 29 2009 01:50 GMT
#1574
On August 29 2009 05:51 CharlieMurphy wrote:
[image loading]


Anyways we all knew it was gonna happen like that.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Mr. Maestro
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada27 Posts
August 29 2009 01:54 GMT
#1575
On August 26 2009 04:37 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2009 09:41 Mr. Maestro wrote:
On August 25 2009 09:20 koreasilver wrote:
On August 25 2009 07:01 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 25 2009 06:43 Batibot wrote:
On August 25 2009 06:12 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 24 2009 13:55 Gumbo wrote:
On August 24 2009 13:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On August 24 2009 12:58 ssj114 wrote:
Jaedong proving he is the GOAT.

I find it hilarious that people are saying that it's the worst OSL in recent history or other bla bla bla.

Get over it. Jaedong is so clearly the GOAT.


Straight up, Jaedong could beat any other player in history, but that doesn't necessarily make him the best.


Well, actually, yes. It does.


Actually, no. Has he shown the tactical genius and pure intelligence needed to truly dominate an era like Boxer, Oov, Nada, or Savior did? No. THAT is true greatness. Being able to know a game so well in your own generation that you can truly dominate the scene. Comparing two different generations is like comparing two different games - it makes you look like an idiot. Anyone with half a brain can watch Boxer play GARIMTO or Yellow way back in the day and see that it is basically a completely different game compared to now.

When I watch Boxer vs Yellow year 2000 or something where Boxer won 3~2. I said, hey, these guys aren't that good and prolly if I practice enough, I can play like them. Actually, I'm believing we could beat the Boxer in year 2000. But, of course, it's already been 9 years after that, SO MANY strategies and whatnot developed. Now, I understand why they "sucked" back in the days. I mean, they don't play perfect. Sometimes, there are idle larvae for Yellow or sometimes, he micros bad for a pro.


If you're arrogant enough to think you could beat a pro even from the old days, you're a complete moron.

A C- Zerg player on iCCup of today can beat the Boxer from 2001 easy.



Yeah a C- zerg can beat Boxer from 2001 easy using MODERN strategies

This entire argument is pointless, but the average iCCup player of today has better micro, better understanding of builds, and just better understanding of the game in its entirety than Boxer ever did in the early days of SC:BW, even if he was one of the greatest innovators of the game. There's just absolutely no question that a mid-level casual player on iCCup is better than the top players of 2001 in basically every area of the game. We could seriously just play the 1hatch/2hatch lair builds like the old Zergs and win without much problem.

Show nested quote +
On August 25 2009 21:11 vaMpYr wrote:
boxer2000 almost know starcraft better than some A- in the present .

Not in the slightest.

These discussions are so pointless; why does it even matter?


How is it pointless? I'm just making the point that it's pointless to compare players right now and the players from the old times. Obviously the concepts of macro and micro have evolved so why is he saying a C- zerg can beat boxer from 2001 using modern strategies that are superior?
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
September 10 2009 22:09 GMT
#1576
In game 1 Jaedong did the following build order:
extractor trick
10 hatch
9pool
drone
gas
drone
ol
3lings
pull drones off gas once you have enough gas for ling speed
mass ling

I wonder how specific to Holy World it is...
brood war for life, brood war forever
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8167 Posts
September 11 2009 02:50 GMT
#1577
On September 11 2009 07:09 Crunchums wrote:
In game 1 Jaedong did the following build order:
extractor trick
10 hatch
9pool
drone
gas
drone
ol
3lings
pull drones off gas once you have enough gas for ling speed
mass ling

I wonder how specific to Holy World it is...


day9 recognized the build almost immediately as we he casting it @ blizzcon OSL party. So I'm pretty sure it's just a pretty old weird ZvZ BO that has been forgotten by time until now.
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